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Saint Isaias Boner: Jan 17, 2007; posting is magic

kordansk posted:

I fantasized about Gillian Anderson, ping-pong balls, and her screaming, but not in that exact order.

gross

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:33

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EminusSleepus: Sep 28, 2015

this picture makes perfect sense now it has context

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:35

BluestreakBTHR: Oct 2, 2015; Fucking Star Citizen True Believers are passive-aggressive douchebags. Sorry if I have the ability to use my critical thinking skills. I didn't drink the Kool-Aid, motherfuckers.

That's me trying way too hard to fit in here. Please accept me, I need validation. I'm very depressed.; Grimey Drawer

Google Butt posted:

But it's easy to stalk the smaller fish in the pond, right Sandi?
You Harpy!

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:35

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

So, since mo-cap is the flavor of the day again, I want to bring up some actual knowledge again!

As I've previously explained, I'm a bit of an enthusiast and very well studied when it comes to how Special effects are done, and I've been sitting on this example of where CIG is going horribly wrong with Mo-Cap.

Mo-Cap in video games is usually used for very animated gestures. The best way to describe this is with the acting phrase "Show what you're trying to say". As an example, when a character says "Everything" in Mo-Cap, a good director will get the actor to gesture with their arm in a wide arc. The wrong thing to do is just have tiny subtle movements that show nothing, or even worse, have your actor just stand around doing nothing, talking.

The reason the people who are engaging critical thinking feel that the Oldman cinematic feels weird and uncanny is because in the back of their head, there's a little voice screaming "why didn't they just film this in real time?" Mo-Cap is a tool that should be used to make the impossible possible.

Not wanting to go into things forever, here's a decent example...

Let's take a look at the SC mo-cap cinematic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FF-ewiwmhs

The character stands on the same spot, inanimate, apart from a few instances of things like bashing the podium with his fist. This isn't a bad performance by the actor, this is plain bad direction. A good director would have had the character not at a podium, but on a stage, pacing back and forth, gesturing, throwing his arms about, moving his head. Instead, glued to podium, dead, boring.

Let's take a look at what I consider some of the best use of Mo-Cap in video games of recent years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBfIFgxf2sw

Characters are ANIMATED. They're moving about, waving their arms, pointing at things. A crazy fantasy setting where people are hurling fireballs about, and there's a big gently caress off monster flying about suddenly looks 100x more real than a dude standing at a podium waffling on about meanies from space. And it's purely because the Mo-Cap is being used for the purpose Mo-Cap was originally invented. Making the impossible possible.

[edit]

On reviewing it again, both of the videos even tell the same story.

Xaerael fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jan 10, 2016

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:36

EminusSleepus: Sep 28, 2015

I bet this is how Gillian looks like every after shoot of the mocap

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:37

Berious: Nov 13, 2005

stinch posted:

https://youtu.be/CXJZbPI5nKE?t=5m9s

Funny how the 42mil seems so reasonable now.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:42

Brazilianpeanutwar: Aug 27, 2015; Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Xaerael posted:

So, since mo-cap is the flavor of the day again, I want to bring up some actual knowledge again!

As I've previously explained, I'm a bit of an enthusiast and very well studied when it comes to how Special effects are done, and I've been sitting on this example of where CIG is going horribly wrong with Mo-Cap.

Mo-Cap in video games is usually used for very animated gestures. The best way to describe this is with the acting phrase "Show what you're trying to say". As an example, when a character says "Everything" in Mo-Cap, a good director will get the actor to gesture with their arm in a wide arc. The wrong thing to do is just have tiny subtle movements that show nothing, or even worse, have your actor just stand around doing nothing, talking.

The reason the people who are engaging critical thinking feel that the Oldman cinematic feels weird and uncanny is because in the back of their head, there's a little voice screaming "why didn't they just film this in real time?" Mo-Cap is a tool that should be used to make the impossible possible.

Not wanting to go into things forever, here's a decent example...

Let's take a look at the SC mo-cap cinematic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FF-ewiwmhs

The character stands on the same spot, inanimate, apart from a few instances of things like bashing the podium with his fist. This isn't a bad performance by the actor, this is plain bad direction. A good director would have had the character not at a podium, but on a stage, pacing back and forth, gesturing, throwing his arms about, moving his head. Instead, glued to podium, dead, boring.

Let's take a look at what I consider some of the best use of Mo-Cap in video games of recent years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBfIFgxf2sw

Characters are ANIMATED. They're moving about, waving their arms, pointing at things. A crazy fantasy setting where people are hurling fireballs about, and there's a big gently caress off monster flying about suddenly looks 100x more real than a dude standing at a podium waffling on about meanies from space. And it's purely because the Mo-Cap is being used for the purpose Mo-Cap was originally invented. Making the impossible possible.

Like I said before they have amazing actors.....well three amazing actors......and they just have them standing around...or walking from one side of the room to the other.....no action or strenuous movement.....the bare minimum even sandi could do I- AHAHA nah I can't even finish that sentence...

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:49

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Xaerael posted:

So, since mo-cap is the flavor of the day again, I want to bring up some actual knowledge again!

As I've previously explained, I'm a bit of an enthusiast and very well studied when it comes to how Special effects are done, and I've been sitting on this example of where CIG is going horribly wrong with Mo-Cap.

Mo-Cap in video games is usually used for very animated gestures. The best way to describe this is with the acting phrase "Show what you're trying to say". As an example, when a character says "Everything" in Mo-Cap, a good director will get the actor to gesture with their arm in a wide arc. The wrong thing to do is just have tiny subtle movements that show nothing, or even worse, have your actor just stand around doing nothing, talking.

The reason the people who are engaging critical thinking feel that the Oldman cinematic feels weird and uncanny is because in the back of their head, there's a little voice screaming "why didn't they just film this in real time?" Mo-Cap is a tool that should be used to make the impossible possible.

Not wanting to go into things forever, here's a decent example...

Let's take a look at the SC mo-cap cinematic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FF-ewiwmhs

The character stands on the same spot, inanimate, apart from a few instances of things like bashing the podium with his fist. This isn't a bad performance by the actor, this is plain bad direction. A good director would have had the character not at a podium, but on a stage, pacing back and forth, gesturing, throwing his arms about, moving his head. Instead, glued to podium, dead, boring.

Let's take a look at what I consider some of the best use of Mo-Cap in video games of recent years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBfIFgxf2sw

Characters are ANIMATED. They're moving about, waving their arms, pointing at things. A crazy fantasy setting where people are hurling fireballs about, and there's a big gently caress off monster flying about suddenly looks 100x more real than a dude standing at a podium waffling on about meanies from space. And it's purely because the Mo-Cap is being used for the purpose Mo-Cap was originally invented. Making the impossible possible.

[edit]

On reviewing it again, both of the videos even tell the same story.

Much like the rest of what does, he's using performance capture for the sake of having performance capture.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:49

2DCAT: Jun 25, 2015; pissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssss sssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssssss; Gravy Boat 2k

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

Amy's baking company is great, and they did a follow up if I'm not mistaken and they were still like "gently caress you RAMSay!"

Bar Rescue and Kitchen Nightmares are both great for delusional owners. If you can find the Bar Rescue about the Pirates Bar its amazing. No where near as crazy as Amy. I just like delusional owners who are in such dire straights they asked a tv show for help, then refuse all help.

I remember forcing myself to head over to Pirates Bar after that episode came out. That place was god awful, yet there are actually worse in this area.

I would love to watch Star Citizen featured in a "Save My lovely Video Game" reality TV show. Croberts would approve it too, because Sandi would force him to... somehow deluding herself into thinking it'll kickstart her Hollywood career.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:51

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Xaerael posted:

So, since mo-cap is the flavor of the day again, I want to bring up some actual knowledge again!

As I've previously explained, I'm a bit of an enthusiast and very well studied when it comes to how Special effects are done, and I've been sitting on this example of where CIG is going horribly wrong with Mo-Cap.

Mo-Cap in video games is usually used for very animated gestures. The best way to describe this is with the acting phrase "Show what you're trying to say". As an example, when a character says "Everything" in Mo-Cap, a good director will get the actor to gesture with their arm in a wide arc. The wrong thing to do is just have tiny subtle movements that show nothing, or even worse, have your actor just stand around doing nothing, talking.

The reason the people who are engaging critical thinking feel that the Oldman cinematic feels weird and uncanny is because in the back of their head, there's a little voice screaming "why didn't they just film this in real time?" Mo-Cap is a tool that should be used to make the impossible possible.

Not wanting to go into things forever, here's a decent example...

Let's take a look at the SC mo-cap cinematic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FF-ewiwmhs

The character stands on the same spot, inanimate, apart from a few instances of things like bashing the podium with his fist. This isn't a bad performance by the actor, this is plain bad direction. A good director would have had the character not at a podium, but on a stage, pacing back and forth, gesturing, throwing his arms about, moving his head. Instead, glued to podium, dead, boring.

Let's take a look at what I consider some of the best use of Mo-Cap in video games of recent years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBfIFgxf2sw

Characters are ANIMATED. They're moving about, waving their arms, pointing at things. A crazy fantasy setting where people are hurling fireballs about, and there's a big gently caress off monster flying about suddenly looks 100x more real than a dude standing at a podium waffling on about meanies from space. And it's purely because the Mo-Cap is being used for the purpose Mo-Cap was originally invented. Making the impossible possible.

[edit]

On reviewing it again, both of the videos even tell the same story.

Agreed. The mark of a qualified professional can be summed up with the phrase, "The right tool for the right job." Chris isn't interested in anything else than playing with his expensive toys. He's always wanted to do mo-cap, so we're getting loving mo-cap, whether it's the right choice or not. And as you outlined, the funny part is, he could have redone the scene so mo-cap would have been more appropriate. Chris is one of those guys that you run into occasionally who just makes every decision wrong, but profits anyway.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:51

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Like I said before they have amazing actors.....well three amazing actors......and they just have them standing around...or walking from one side of the room to the other.....no action or strenuous movement.....the bare minimum even sandi could do I- AHAHA nah I can't even finish that sentence...

That reminds me of something� https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABcXyZn9xjg&t=5202s

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:54

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

I had fun making it thats all that matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsTK6O5lrSk

This was great. Thank you.

alf_pogs posted:

anderson's glee is the first thing about this whole debacle that has cheered me up. S42 sounds like it has a bonkers cast doing the most rote, boring nonsense

To be fair I'd be willing to bet most acting jobs like this always come across as a little bit ridiculous. Some of the responses are going to be canned things that just are done independently of any continuity or context. Probably always going to feel a little bit absurd to the actors, especially real / good ones with experience.

You're spending the day wearing a necessary but ridiculous getup and then you're acting out just bit parts of scenes all over the spectrum of emotion most likely. Gotta be strange.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:55

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Much like the rest of what does, he's using performance capture for the sake of having performance capture.

It very much reminds me of when child finds something of their parent's (old typewriter, tape recorder, fancy clothes) and they play make believe with them.

Croberts is playing make believe Moviegame producer, and he's managed to get a whole bunch of idiots with poor spending control to play make believe stock market investors.

When you strip away our veneer of pointing and laughing, the situation is incredibly depressing.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 15:55

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

I have updated the OP with a slew of new material include the Beer emails, ToS changes, refunds etc. It's all in the top section.

Let me know if I missed anything that's worthy of addition.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:00

Gwaihir: Dec 8, 2009; Hair Elf

Chin posted:

CIG's motion/performance capture setup does seem kind of crude. You'd think after eight years that the camera mounts would become smaller and less cumbersome.

How do you go from this in 2007:

To this in 2015:

That isn't CIG's mocap stuff at all. Remember that for all the talk of building their own studio, they booked time at the Imagination (Andy Serkis's shop) to do the big S42 shoot.

We've never seen pictures of the studio CIG built as far as I know.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:02

Brazilianpeanutwar: Aug 27, 2015; Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Tippis posted:

That reminds me of something� https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABcXyZn9xjg&t=5202s

It will be all of that but so much worse.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:02

Das Phares: Jan 10, 2016; by Cowcaster

Lowtax posted:

This is a sad man with a very sad life.

Don't sign your posts, filthy breeder.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:05

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Moogle posted:

Dance gabz, dance!

My jpegs bring all the nerds to the verse,
And they're like:
Dave Braben's is worse.
drat right
Dave Braben's is worse,
That'll teach him
To put gameplay first.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:06

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:06

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Das Phares posted:

Don't sign your posts, filthy breeder.

Sup Seraph?

I see you edited your post.

Why don't you have a cool avatar?

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:08

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Unfunny Poster posted:

LOL!! I died!

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:09

Das Phares: Jan 10, 2016; by Cowcaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAiQ4Hl-G58

:pgabz:

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:09

Brazilianpeanutwar: Aug 27, 2015; Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Watching Sherlock holmes (the Robert downey junior one) and mark strong's in it, he steals every scene in every movie that he's in.

And he looks way more Sherlock holmes than RDJ.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:10

aleksendr: May 14, 2014

Kilmers Elbow posted:

C'mon, who hasn't fantasized about Gillian Anderson shouting 'Abort Mission' while dressed up in a ping-pong ball outfit?

I don't know about fantasizing, but i met my first real girlfriend in an agronomy class (soil chemistry) and she said she was in life sciences because she had been inspired by agent Scully.

So thanks Ms. Anderson, in a small way you made my life a happier place for a year and a half.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:10

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

The other thing about the two videos I posted that is so drat important. Let's look at the script.

SC: camera pans on DigiOldman. Massive speech about "Blah Blah meanies from space blah blaaahhhhhh" audience golfclaps.

FFXIV: *Melancholic song starts* Camera shows HOLY poo poo THINGS HAPPENING HOLY gently caress WAR HOLY gently caress BIG THREAT PEOPLE DOING STUFF OH NO DRAMA I DON'T EVEN KNOW THESE GUYS YET BUT I FEEL INVESTED. No dialogue.

Rule of the now: Show, don't tell.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:10

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

elihpedop a eruoy

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:10

hardycore: Nov 4, 2009

I thought Piratz Tavern was awesome

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:11

Das Phares: Jan 10, 2016; by Cowcaster

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Sup Seraph?

I see you edited your post.

Why don't you have a cool avatar?

Hi Jobbo, listen I've got a cool gif mission for you.

You know that gif where ben's laughing in the chair and the only one who isn't raising his arms above his head? I need you to replace ben with a T-rex in that gif Jobbo.

For science.

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# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:11

A Neurotic Jew: Feb 17, 2012; by exmarx

Xaerael posted:

It very much reminds me of when child finds something of their parent's (old typewriter, tape recorder, fancy clothes) and they play make believe with them.

Croberts is playing make believe Moviegame producer, and he's managed to get a whole bunch of idiots with poor spending control to play make believe stock market investors.

When you strip away our veneer of pointing and laughing, the situation is incredibly depressing.

"It's like make believe" "It's like being five again"

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:12

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Xaerael posted:

The other thing about the two videos I posted that is so drat important. Let's look at the script.

SC: camera pans on DigiOldman. Massive speech about "Blah Blah meanies from space blah blaaahhhhhh" audience golfclaps.

FFXIV: *Melancholic song starts* Camera shows HOLY poo poo THINGS HAPPENING HOLY gently caress WAR HOLY gently caress BIG THREAT PEOPLE DOING STUFF OH NO DRAMA I DON'T EVEN KNOW THESE GUYS YET BUT I FEEL INVESTED. No dialogue.

Rule of the now: Show, don't tell.

Are you suggesting that CRobber might be a hack fraud?

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:13

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Das Phares posted:

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# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:14

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

"It's like make believe" "It's like being five again"

Yeaaahhhh... I forgot about that quote. Never a truer word spoken from Croberts himself.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:14

KiddieGrinder: Nov 15, 2005; HELP ME

Jobbo_Fett posted:

That was fast. :eyepop:

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:15

Baller Time: Apr 22, 2014; by Azathoth

Saw this and had to think of a certain someone:

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:15

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Das Phares posted:

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*In the super smash bros announcer voice*

A NEW RECORD

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:16

SirPhoebos: Dec 10, 2007; WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Saaaaaandi is a bitch, she a pubeless bitch!
She's the meanest bitch in the whole wide world!
She's a talentless bitch, a hack of a bitch!
A bitch to all the boys and girls!

...

On Acting she's a bitch, Sales she's a bitch!
Marketing, Teaching, PR she's a bitch!
HR a bitch, Biologist a bitch!
From Reverse to Around she's a bitch!
Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch!
Sandi's a bitch, she's such a stupid bitch!

SAN-DI, IS A BII-IiI-IIITCHAH!

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:16

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Tippis posted:

Are you suggesting that CRobber might be a hack fraud?

At best, I'm saying he should probably have realized after all his failures, he might be the problem, not the studios he worked for.

But really, yeah, he's a hack. Possibly one of the hackiest hacks in the whole hackdom.

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:17

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

CIG: more hacks than a slasher movie

# ? Jan 10, 2016 16:18

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

I'm shocked!

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