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The_Franz posted:amd's open drivers are total trash
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Suspicious Dish posted:Intel has better OSS drivers because they're not based on Gallium. Gallium is a giant piece of poo poo when it comes to speed. Explain why Gallium (Gallium3D?) is bad. I spent like three seconds reading the summary on their page and it looks like it has too many abstractions that nobody needs. I do a lot of GPGPU stuff at work and all the drivers are poo poo; also Intels. I am seriously questioning the wisdom of being in a research field that depends on working Linux GPU drivers.
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The_Franz posted:amd's open drivers are pretty good and they have actual amd employees working on them. their goal is to eventually have most functionality in the open drivers and then have the closed driver modules 'snap in' if you need certain features like framelock. amd's proprietary drivers are piss garbage why on earth would i expect the open drivers to be better
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The_Franz posted:the main speed differences between open and closed drivers are due to speed hacks and injecting optimized shaders for specific games to fix the problems from using lovely old apis and terrible programmers writing broken code. opengl is insanely complicated it is an archeological dig as much as it is an api. there are like six layers of dead ideas in there. and none of the core abstractions from the past map well onto modern hardware. nvidia's stack is a gazillion times faster than open source drivers because when you use the proprietary driver, you get to use nvidia's opengl instead of mesa.
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Athas posted:Explain why Gallium (Gallium3D?) is bad. I spent like three seconds reading the summary on their page and it looks like it has too many abstractions that nobody needs. It's slow, and nobody has really spent time cleaning it up and making Gallium itself faster. Intel mostly funds their own driver. VMware doesn't really care about speed, because it's virt anyway so you aren't going to run games on it. Red Hat funds the radeon / nouveau (and technically freedreno) drivers, but the team is fairly small and mostly swamped doing other work now.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:opengl is insanely complicated open sores for the win
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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i'm really excited about this 'vulkan' stuff. it moves complexity out of your drivers and into (portable) middleware and nvidia is excited about it, too, so i can be confident that it it will 1. actually come to linux 2. actually work nvidia's slide deck on the topic: http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/siggraph/2015/presentation/SIG1501-Piers-Daniell.pdf
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i'm really excited about this 'vulkan' stuff. it moves complexity out of your drivers and into (portable) middleware lunarg should have an open intel vulkan driver on day one, and amd claims their closed driver is ready to go as well. spir-v is probably the nicest part of vulkan since it finally breaks the trend where every api had it's own high-level language and it's an actual, documented ir that isn't stone-age garbage like the dx bytecode and their compiler that still thinks it's 2002 and scalar gpus don't exist.
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wow such driver, many game!! after several years of using lunix (mint and ubuntu, the most accessible and well supported things apparently) on my poo poo, I am building a workstation and going to put Windoze on it. because there is no good music player for linux. none. really. let's go over the list: clementine: quite polished looking, actually! supports streaming from tons of places! well, in theory anyway. many of the Features don't work, including many streams, music player support, shortcut keys. has no way to browse albums. replaygain usually works. rhythmbox: love the interface. unfortunately replaygain is garbage. crashes at random. sometimes impossible to close without using terminal. made three copies of every song in my library that i tried to move to my ipod. banshee: somehow corrupted a bunch of music. HOW??? I JUST WANT YOU TO PLAY IT. ugh all of em suffer from random crashes, being impossible to close, trying to do everything poorly instead of a few things well. none of them are able to do global shortcuts properly (I like to use my numpad to play/pause/skip) there's also Deadbeef which is modeled on foobar2000. its kinda dead, and only hosted on sourceforge, but I'm gonna give it a shot (foreshadowing intensifies) anyway thats my bitchpost thanks for reading EDIT: almost forgot the libreoffice bug where the application will crash, delete your document AND the backup copy, and this is somehow just a 'known bug, happens sometimes'. amazing. in the year of our potato 2016. froward fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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froward posted:wow such driver, many game!! you didn't read the thread did you
install kde, on a distribution that isn't ubuntu, and use amarok.
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kde is surprisingly decent now. the main reason i think it is better than gnome is that you can still access all the tweaks and settings without downloading gnome tweak tool or something. i think that in the long run it makes sense to remove all that poo poo, but not before the platform is ready. gnome was not ready to have all of its configuration stripped out of the UI.
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:kde is surprisingly decent now watch out.. people get really angry when your troll premise is unambiguously false
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gnome targets non-existent users who want to learn a whole new desktop paradigm on their 3d accelerated laptops. options dialogues are scary to these totally imaginary users, so we better just take those all out. window management is hard to get right so we'll just try to de-emphasize windows as much as possible. bonus: we don't have to offer a taskbar on 1366x768 laptops (the only form factor that matters) applications don't cooperate with our nonsense so we'll re-write every desktop application from scratch. meanwhile, actual users, who do exist, are using xfce or kde or some bare window manager from the 1990s. and they have task bars and desktop pagers and all that 1990s poo poo that people use to manage their windows. Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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Jan 10, 2016 20:03
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Kde 5.0 plasma desktop I the best Linux
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:meanwhile, actual users, who do exist, are using xfce Really ?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gnome targets non-existent users who want to learn a whole new desktop paradigm on their 3d accelerated laptops. this sounds kompletely accurate to me (a recent kde convert) Notorious b.s.d. posted:you didn't read the thread did you counterpoint: convenience (please point out a convenient alternative that is not lol deb+ian lol) on ubuntu you can install everything really easily and it mostly works, which for most users is superior to a complicated solution that is safer and works slightly more often also mint sucks, it's the second order hipster linux (it's linux for people who hate gnome and unlike ubuntu you haven't heard of it)
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blowfish posted:counterpoint: convenience (please point out a convenient alternative that is not lol deb+ian lol) it's never convenient to discover broken poo poo. ubuntu is broken out of the box, and the more things you install, the more broken poo poo you find. some cool and good alternatives to ubuntu:
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kde does feel a lot jankier and more linuxy to me, while gnome feels more refined. just not refined enough to be usable.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:debian [...] the packages are often newer/fresher linux has changed
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i give zero shits about refinement the windows 95 desktop shell was about as good as desktop metaphors ever got, and "refining" that further is a fool's errand kde and xfce meet the basic requirements:
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the windows 95 desktop shell was about as good as desktop metaphors ever got, and "refining" that further is a fool's errand this but mac os 8
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:[*]debian Debian is loving awful and is pre-broken by the debian retards before shadow hawk gets to gently caress it up more. e.g. - ice weasel - Openssh fuckery Notorious b.s.d. posted:are often newer/fresher Debian , well known for being up to date with releases
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theultimo posted:it is the best 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's never convenient to discover broken poo poo. ubuntu is broken out of the box, and the more things you install, the more broken poo poo you find. counterpoint: lol iceweasel lol icedove lol iceape lol iceowl quote:
hmm this is a good list for power users and devs who want to actually do things with linux but is a bad list for people who want to use linux on the desktop because hey it's free and it can't be that hard right
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jre posted:- ice weasel i cant get over people voluntarily making themselves edge cases with poo poo like this and pale moon. jfc. and then all they do is bitch and moan about why some website doesnt work in autism browser
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pram posted:i cant get over people voluntarily making themselves edge cases with poo poo like this and pale moon. jfc. and then all they do is bitch and moan about why some website doesnt work in autism browser ARE PRINCIPELS~ forbid us to do the thing every other non-OCD leanux distro does (checkbox "install third party software with stricter licenses for lawyers" during install) i approve of these tab titles and their contents
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i give zero shits about refinement icewm? all of that software is garbage. just drag and drop or move files directly to the ipod there's no point doing anything else. for console media players ncmpcpp or moc are more than fine.
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pram posted:i cant get over people voluntarily making themselves edge cases with poo poo like this and pale moon. jfc. and then all they do is bitch and moan about why some website doesnt work in autism browser i am posting from palemoon in xfce in mint and i don't know how any of it works so i guess i'm the ultimate garbage hipster
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how do u feel about [url]https://www.qubes-os.org/[url], Xen-based desktop hypervisor, everything runs in its own VM, finally supports HVM i dont know if im a power user, but i do keep my porn in a separate browser from my banking
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froward posted:how do u feel about [url]https://www.qubes-os.org/[url], Xen-based desktop hypervisor, everything runs in its own VM, finally supports HVM the people behind it are like megaminds but i personally have no use for a security based os. maybe you do. http://blog.invisiblethings.org/ joanna is a genius DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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froward posted:i am posting from palemoon in xfce in mint and i don't know how any of it works so i guess i'm the ultimate garbage hipster lol
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froward posted:because there is no good music player for linux. none. really. foobar2k in Wine? 
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wine is extremely good and the only reason anyone seriously proposes that linux is a desktop OS
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:the people behind it are like megaminds but i personally have no use for a security based os. maybe you do. shoegaze pls
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Pumpy Dumper posted:shoegaze pls its happening today
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:its happening today thanks and God Bless
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
then again, it is physically impossible to have more out-of date packages than ubuntu has
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:the people behind it are like megaminds but i personally have no use for a security based os. maybe you do. is this an ironicpost, i cant tell like she says some things that sound vaguely smart but then the things itl is actually doing seem naive and out of touch not like ive invested more than 5 minutes of reading though so 
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