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an entire vm per app is extremely retarded
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Wheany posted:then again, it is physically impossible to have more out-of date packages than ubuntu has My 16.04 rolling install says otherwise
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Jan 10, 2016 21:39
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i mean they've exposed multiple critical vulns in xen and beyond. i'm not at all qualified to qualify someone as a genius though, especially in low level systems programming land
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Jan 10, 2016 21:39
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pram posted:an entire vm per app is extremely retarded given infinite computing power and ram it makes sense
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Jan 10, 2016 21:41
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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its a secure desktop because youll spend so much time janitoring numa and memory ballooning and dom0 io scheduling and in general fixing the raging garbage fire that is xen youll never actually do anything
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Jan 10, 2016 21:49
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and also janitoring stuff like kernel clock sources  https://wiki.debian.org/Xen/Clocksource  If a domU crashes or freezes while uttering the famous lasts words 'clocksource/0: Time went backwards', your domU is likely using the xen clocksource  instead of its own clock ticks. In practice, this seems to be the cause of infrequent lockups under load (and/or problems with suspending). 
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Jan 10, 2016 21:54
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pram posted:and also janitoring stuff like kernel clock sources Oh god I'm getting horrible flashbacks to when I maintained Xen boxes 
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Jan 10, 2016 22:04
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theultimo posted:Kde 5.0 plasma desktop I the best Linux 
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Jan 10, 2016 22:13
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froward posted:wow such driver, many game!! ubuntu and linux mint are awful trash, i had numerous problems on it and suddenly all my hardware and software worked amazing on fedora. all of linux software,games and drivers work in fedora so idk why you said ubuntu is most supported, and fedora also has graphical one click installs if that is what you want
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Jan 10, 2016 22:23
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blowfish posted:counterpoint: lol iceweasel lol icedove lol iceape lol iceowl this is mozilla's fault they refused to allow debian to distribute firefox using the mozilla trademarks. the debian names were chosen to be as stupid as possible, to shame mozilla into changing their minds "ice weasel" specifically came from a sarcastic mailing list post if you prefer firefox to chrome, you still can (and should) install firefox from the mozilla web site. ("should" because mozilla issues updates faster than debian does.) blowfish posted:hmm this is a good list for power users and devs who want to actually do things with linux but is a bad list for people who want to use linux on the desktop because hey it's free and it can't be that hard right this is what fedora is for, dumbass. it is fairly obvious you have never tried it. the whole point is to be a polished desktop setup that works correctly out of the box and doesn't require any planning or pre-existing knowledge
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Jan 10, 2016 22:57
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I Googled KDE and Fedora out of mild interest and noticed that they had a Web page out of which they had localized exactly one word for my language; instead of "documentation" it said "dokumentaatio". thanks I guess.
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Jan 10, 2016 22:59
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is mozilla's fault No, they refused debian permission to distribute a completely hosed version of firefox with their retarded "improvements" which added loads of weird bugs that they were spending a fortune investigating.
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Jan 10, 2016 23:04
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is mozilla's fault how does literally every linux distro other than debian manage to do fine without getting into an aspergers contest with mozilla the end user does not give a flying gently caress about licensing philosophies beyond "it's free and works and doesn't require me to think" so this is a thing which makes debian less needs suiting for end users i actually really liked fedora when i tried, fedora was my first linux  but it has the disadvantage of not being the most popular distro therefore specialty/non open sores programs often need to be recompiled (granted, not that much of a hurdle if you know what you're doing, but again we're talking about linux on the desktop for the average end user in tyool 2016)
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Jan 10, 2016 23:08
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Just install Ubuntu and be happy
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Jan 10, 2016 23:10
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installing ubuntu is unlikely to result in happiness
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Jan 10, 2016 23:14
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blowfish posted:how does literally every linux distro other than debian manage to do fine without getting into an aspergers contest with mozilla With Chrome gaining popularity unfortunately almost all distributions want to go this route with Chromium packaging, they all seem to hate the user.
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Jan 10, 2016 23:17
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pram posted:an entire vm per app is extremely retarded from the top of the "getting started" page quote:In Qubes, you run all your programs in domains. Domains are also called AppVMs because they’re implemented as lightweight virtual machines (VMs). Not every app runs in its own VM. (That would be a big waste of resources!) Instead, each VM represents a security domain (e.g., “work,” “personal,” “banking,” etc.). ur post caused me to click the NICE! button multiple times
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Jan 10, 2016 23:20
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MrMoo posted:With Chrome gaining popularity unfortunately almost all distributions want to go this route with Chromium packaging, they all seem to hate the user. google solves this problem by distributing OS packages that cooperate with the native update mechanism mozilla wants to distribute their own auto-updater and that is a poison pill for debian
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Jan 10, 2016 23:23
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:installing ubuntu is unlikely to result in happiness sometimes u have 2 hit rock bottom to know where u truly stand
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Jan 10, 2016 23:24
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:google solves this problem by distributing OS packages that cooperate with the native update mechanism the only thing the end user sees is "debian has an awkwardly named browser with a terrible logo why can't it just have firefox"
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Jan 10, 2016 23:27
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MrMoo posted:they all seem to hate the user. well, yeah.
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Jan 10, 2016 23:30
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blowfish posted:the only thing the end user sees is "debian has an awkwardly named browser with a terrible logo why can't it just have firefox" debian doesn't exist to make your brand centers tingle
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Jan 10, 2016 23:40
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:debian doesn't exist to make your brand centers tingle no its to induce vomiting
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Jan 10, 2016 23:44
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:debian doesn't exist to make your brand centers tingle yeah but it crosses the line to being unnecessarily clumsy and confusing
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Jan 10, 2016 23:47
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blowfish posted:yeah but it crosses the line to being unnecessarily clumsy and confusing in a way its the truest unix
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Jan 10, 2016 23:49
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blowfish posted:yeah but it crosses the line to being unnecessarily clumsy and confusing ok then go yell at mozilla about it
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Jan 10, 2016 23:52
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pram posted:an entire vm per app is extremely retarded the overhead is minimal on properly engineered hyper visors like hyper - v I guess on shitbox Linuxes it is bad
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Jan 11, 2016 00:04
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if only we had containers
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Jan 11, 2016 00:11
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oh wait we do
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Jan 11, 2016 00:12
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Malcolm XML posted:the overhead is minimal on properly engineered hyper visors like hyper - v the overhead of a VM is very small the overhead of running a new linux kernel for every process is not small.
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Jan 11, 2016 01:24
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just rewrite everything in erlang and no worries http://erlangonxen.org/
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Jan 11, 2016 01:44
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two great tastes that go great together (for great good)
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Jan 11, 2016 01:48
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UNIX and NT are both piece of poo poo operating systems designed for centralized computing services with lots of users and a team of beards to care for and feed them apparently the solution to this mismatch to today's reality is to discard the existing system call ABI and define another one that pretends to be doing memory-mapped IO with silicon. also userland programs get to define their own page tables as well. that's basically the endgame for this replace-kernels-with-hypervisors and one-vm-per-app thing that's going on as of late. http://osv.io/
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Jan 11, 2016 01:53
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froward posted:wow such driver, many game!! cmus really is simple to use and in pretty much every major distro's repos. I know it's a terminal program but it gets the job done and i've never had it crash. all linux is usually poo poo outside of the browser/terminal. b0red fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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Jan 11, 2016 02:29
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computer toucher posted:I Googled KDE and Fedora out of mild interest and noticed that they had a Web page out of which they had localized exactly one word for my language; instead of "documentation" it said "dokumentaatio". Then again, do you really want to read documentation that was halfassedly translated in 2006 by a bored AMK student and hasn't been updated since?
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Jan 11, 2016 07:45
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:ok then go yell at mozilla about it "dear debian please add a checkbox during the install that says 'install common programs with update schedules set by their own vendors and not by the debian community'" which 80% of users will check out of habit, 19% of users will check because well who cares and 1% of users will find appalling because it is just philosophically wrong
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Jan 11, 2016 08:57
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froward posted:wow such driver, many game!! install audacious for that winamp clone goodness foobar2k in wine was also suggested, that works surprisingly well
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Jan 11, 2016 10:52
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apparently i listen to music differently than youse guys because for my needs pretty much any player seems to do the job
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Jan 11, 2016 11:02
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ncmpc is rly gud
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Wheany posted:apparently i listen to music differently than youse guys because for my needs pretty much any player seems to do the job yeah why does anything other than vlc even exist, it suits all dvd, video and audio needs
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