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Captain_Maclaine posted:Wasn't that the one that had some line to the tune of "critical thinking and/or the scientific method teaches kids to question obedience to traditional authority figures, so none of that in our god-fearin' schools," or am I thinking of something else? Yeah, that was the gist of it. RPZip posted:What's her theory? That young women don't understand that Roe v Wade could be overturned at literally any minute and so have to elect Clinton instead of someone else. It's a dumb loving theory like everything else she thinks and says.
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rkajdi posted:Also note that lots of basic 3Rs level stuff is now controversial. Just looking at science, I could teachers getting censured for teaching basic science, like half of biology, psychology, or some basic physics stuff like relativity, since a good number of idiots have tried to politicize the stuff that disagrees with their worldview. I'd say this sounds crazy, but it legit seems like the frontrunners in the rightwing downward spiral (OK) are now totally cool with killing STEM funding for public schools. I guess ruining public ed is fine, because we certainly don't need a new generation of tech workers or engineers-- we can all be poo poo kickers or rear end-ignorant dirt farmers instead. It'll build character. Coincidentally your kids will be too ignorant and working too many hours just to stay alive to do time-wasting things like pay attention to current events or vote, thus leaving the job of choosing a government to their betters as God intended. Its win/win!
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hobbesmaster posted:People are angry about relativity in high school physics? I want to see people rail against Galilean relativity. Did you never read the Conservapedia thread? Schlafly had a whole thing about Relativity not being real. He was comparing it moral relativity or something. He's also a trained electrical engineer that didn't want to teach people complex numbers. You also see certain conservative Christians get bent out of shape about set theory, since multiple unequal infinities are an affront to their beliefs. It's just using whatever warbling about Jesus they come up with to stay as ignorant as possible for as long as possible. We're at the point where this is going to reduce the ability of flyover country to properly educate their children to be part of the current economy.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Rational basis = does the lawmaker have a justification and goal in mind? It's not in any way at all a high bar to clear, duder. Maybe this has already been addressed, but you know what kicks things up to strict or intermediate scrutiny right? The discriminatory targetting of a specific race, sex, or yes, orientation. I haven't read the caselaw on the Californian case, but there's a huge gulf between that, and what is occuring in Florida.
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Shageletic posted:puzzle scratchers like calling for wi-fi on subways when the real issue is overcapacity Because we can't possibly deal with more than one problem at a time. Lack of connectivity on the subway is an issue that should be dealt with, as is overcrowding. I wouldn't say overcrowding is the "real issue" anyway; much bigger problems include absurdly frequent maintenance during peak hours on weekends that close dozens of critical stops, the lack of train arrival displays at many stops, and of course, the difficultly of traversing west-east anywhere except midtown.
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rkajdi posted:Did you never read the Conservapedia thread? Schlafly had a whole thing about Relativity not being real. He was comparing it moral relativity or something. He's also a trained electrical engineer that didn't want to teach people complex numbers. You also see certain conservative Christians get bent out of shape about set theory, since multiple unequal infinities are an affront to their beliefs. It's just using whatever warbling about Jesus they come up with to stay as ignorant as possible for as long as possible. We're at the point where this is going to reduce the ability of flyover country to properly educate their children to be part of the current economy. I had to explain to a guy how relativity allows us to use GPS. He didn't believe me, and said Einstein made it all up. When asked why he believed that, he said his preacher had said relativity was atheist hogwash. This is middle Georgia.
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Oracle posted:No, your too-poor-for-a-good-private-school kid will be a poo poo kicker or rear end-ignorant dirt farmer (or service industry worker). The rich's kids'll be the ones taking all those lucrative STEM jobs (until Silicon Valley gets its way and H1-B visas are extended and a bunch of foreigners are shipped in to take their jobs, anyway. And then there's always management!) Yeah, but this seems to be happening in dirt farming country, not the decent US (i.e. the coasts) Isn't that just going to continue to turn places like OK or KS into more and more impoverished hellholes? I get that the average voter there doesn't care (seeing as their family tree must be a straight line to see these ideas are acceptable) but the politicians must, since you need some wealth in your state to really have any real power in a democratic country. And employers of even low-end jobs would probably prefer to have employees that are more competent and capable of handling situations that go off script.
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MariusLecter posted:Hi, my mom in California believes fossils are fabricated by scientists for the money and fame. The family of a former friend of mine, back in VT, believe the same sort of nonsense, that fossils are either hoaxes or put there by the devil to mislead the faithful. So as much as I'd like to claim otherwise, this isn't (solely) something to use to mock middle America/the south.
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MariusLecter posted:Hi, my mom in California believes fossils are fabricated by scientists for the money and fame. All those famous paleontologists, like Dr. Grant
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Jan 11, 2016 22:54
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Captain_Maclaine posted:The family of a former friend of mine, back in VT, believe the same sort of nonsense, that fossils are either hoaxes or put there by the devil to mislead the faithful. So as much as I'd like to claim otherwise, this isn't (solely) something to use to mock middle America/the south. She did spend a few years here in Texas though, so the results remain inconclusive.
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Jan 11, 2016 22:55
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MariusLecter posted:Hi, my mom in California believes fossils are fabricated by scientists for the money and fame. What, all of them? Even all the tiny ones I drill up from a mile beneath the sea floor? Or just the big glamorous that support obvious lies like dinosaurs?
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Jan 11, 2016 22:56
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MariusLecter posted:Hi, my mom in California believes fossils are fabricated by scientists for the money and fame. She's not wrong (about some of them)
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MariusLecter posted:Hi, my mom in California believes fossils are fabricated by scientists for the money and fame. True story, on the 8'th day god went around planting things like dinosaur bones because he's a huge oval office.
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rkajdi posted:Yeah, but this seems to be happening in dirt farming country, not the decent US (i.e. the coasts) Isn't that just going to continue to turn places like OK or KS into more and more impoverished hellholes? I get that the average voter there doesn't care (seeing as their family tree must be a straight line to see these ideas are acceptable) but the politicians must, since you need some wealth in your state to really have any real power in a democratic country. quote:And employers of even low-end jobs would probably prefer to have employees that are more competent and capable of handling situations that go off script.
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CommieGIR posted:I had to explain to a guy how relativity allows us to use GPS. He didn't believe me, and said Einstein made it all up. Having been to backwater Georgia a bunch to go to MCLB Albany, I can attest that this thinking is par for the course there. I get that Relativity is really hard to get your head around (quantum mechanics is even worse) but the ability of people to give up on it because of this and the name is real depressing. Relativity is named rather poorly, since what it's saying is that light is not relative at all. But good luck explaining that to the average poo poo kicker out there who barely can understand how a modern car engine works.
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Jan 11, 2016 23:01
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rkajdi posted:Having been to backwater Georgia a bunch to go to MCLB Albany, I can attest that this thinking is par for the course there. Relative to you, maybe. 
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rkajdi posted:Having been to backwater Georgia a bunch to go to MCLB Albany, I can attest that this thinking is par for the course there. Well, to be fair, explaining to people how space flight works tends to be met with 'Well, I bet the moon landings were all faked/exaggerated anyways' a lot around here. And Georgia is a state famous for fighting for the Religious Freedom of Creationism in the classroom.
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Shakugan posted:Because we can't possibly deal with more than one problem at a time. Lack of connectivity on the subway is an issue that should be dealt with, as is overcrowding. I wouldn't say overcrowding is the "real issue" anyway; much bigger problems include absurdly frequent maintenance during peak hours on weekends that close dozens of critical stops, the lack of train arrival displays at many stops, and of course, the difficultly of traversing west-east anywhere except midtown. Overcrowding is a major issue on the 4, 5, and 6 even when the system is running perfectly. It's why the 2nd avenue line has gotten as far as it has. His plan doesn't seem to address this and instead calls for even more disruptive station closures.
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EvanSchenck posted:I would go one step further and say that teachers are able to focus on teaching because of the union. It provides professional stability and a defined wage/benefit structure so they can concentrate on the kids. Far from being adversarial with the public interest, public sector unions reduces the employer-employee tension and allows both sides to get on with the business of providing a vital service. In some cases the relationship can actually get too close, but I don't think that's true of teachers unions for the most part. This brings to mind the Volkswagon unionization shitshow in TN, where you had the company supporting unionization, since work councils and the like in Germany have a central role in stabilizing relationships between labor and management, while maintaining a loyal, intelligent, and hard-working workforce, only to have local politicians and Bob Corker railing against it, to the extent of Corker promising to kick out VW from TN if it happened.
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Shageletic posted:This brings to mind the Volkswagon unionization shitshow in TN, where you had the company supporting unionization, since work councils and the like in Germany have a central role in stabilizing relationships between labor and management, while maintaining a loyal, intelligent, and hard-working workforce, only to have local politicians and Bob Corker railing against it, to the extent of Corker promising to kick out VW from TN if it happened. The Free Market has spoken!
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Shageletic posted:Yup. Plenty of things to criticize Cuomo on (helping to keep the NY legislature Republican, ethics malfeasance, not doing anything on infrastructure other than bloviating (and puzzle scratchers like calling for wi-fi on subways when the real issue is overcapacity), etc, but here's another reason to consider him definitely not ideal (already posted this in the NYC LAN thread): Jesus loving Christ! That's a disaster waiting to happen. poo poo, if things don't improve could New York State be in play for the Republicans if the ground game is garbage?
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Rick_Hunter posted:Every 4 years there'd be a new crop of bright eyed, optimistic college graduates to replace all of the disillusioned veteran teachers just to cut down on costs. This is already happening.
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rkajdi posted:Having been to backwater Georgia a bunch to go to MCLB Albany, I can attest that this thinking is par for the course there. Newtonian-Galilean relativity is an important concept in high school physics. Its also technically wrong but its fine for most of the solar system.
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Shakugan posted:Because we can't possibly deal with more than one problem at a time. Lack of connectivity on the subway is an issue that should be dealt with, as is overcrowding. I wouldn't say overcrowding is the "real issue" anyway; much bigger problems include absurdly frequent maintenance during peak hours on weekends that close dozens of critical stops, the lack of train arrival displays at many stops, and of course, the difficultly of traversing west-east anywhere except midtown. The main problem is train delays and shutdowns steadily increasing and performance dropping over the last several years, and the MTA not having any concrete plan to address them. The things that might nominally affect it, like upgrading the traffic to computerized, automatic signaling (this has been royally hosed by the MTA, as they've engaged in an incredibly expensive boondogle to contractors instead), will not directly affect as the city continues to grow its transportation riding public, the MTA performance has consistently gotten worse in doing its basic job, getting them to their desired destinations. Train arrival displays, while useful, doesn't get to this core issue, and its something Cuomo has actually sabotaged, as his constant backstabbing of Deblasio has lessened the pressure for the MTA to reform itself (and instead the MTA takes billions of dollars that NYC raised with the express purpose of investing in NYC subway and track, and invests it elsewhere).
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Swan Oat posted:Well yes teachers should be focused on teaching, but the union isn't a teacher. I'm not quite sure what you're disagreeing with in my post, but yes.
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rkajdi posted:Yeah, but this seems to be happening in dirt farming country, not the decent US (i.e. the coasts) Isn't that just going to continue to turn places like OK or KS into more and more impoverished hellholes? No, it's going to turn OK and KS into Districts 11 and 12. As long as we placate their egos with 'common sense' and 'salt of the earth' thinking, we can continue to take their oil, minerals, and produce without a care in the world. Clip-On Fedora posted:This is already happening. Oh, I know.
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I just started catching up on the doctor gun thing and what in the ever loving gently caress is this nonsense? Is the 11th circuit just that lovely at all times?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Wasn't that the one that had some line to the tune of "critical thinking and/or the scientific method teaches kids to question obedience to traditional authority figures, so none of that in our god-fearin' schools," or am I thinking of something else? Correct! From the current Texas Republican Party Platform: quote:Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority. Also some other goodies: quote:Affirmative Action - Inasmuch as the Civil Rights Movement argued against using race as a factor in American life, affirmative action reintroduces race as a divisive force in American life. The Republican Party of Texas believes in equal opportunity for all citizens without regard to race or gender. To that end, we oppose affirmative action. And Bonus Isreal Israel: quote:Israel – We believe that the United States and Israel share a special long-standing relationship based on shared values, a mutual commitment to a republican form of government, and a strategic alliance that benefits both nations. Our foreign policy with Israel should reflect the special nature of this relationship through continued military and economic assistance and recognition that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths. We believe that the US Embassy should be located in Jerusalem. In our diplomatic dealings with Israel, we encourage the continuation of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, but oppose pressuring Israel to make concessions it believes would jeopardize its security, including the trading of land for the recognition of its right to exist. We call on the U.S. to cease strong arming Israel through prior agreements with the understanding of delivering equipment to them to defend themselves in exchange for future diplomatic concessions, such as giving up land to the Palestinians on the West Bank. We support the continuation of non-recognition of terrorist nations and organizations. Our policy is based on God’s biblical promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel and we further invite other nations and organizations to enjoy the benefits of that promise. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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haveblue posted:Overcrowding is a major issue on the 4, 5, and 6 even when the system is running perfectly. It's why the 2nd avenue line has gotten as far as it has. His plan doesn't seem to address this and instead calls for even more disruptive station closures. Can I move to your alternate reality in which the second avenue line is anything but the fever dream of some manic city planners?
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quote:Unprocessed Foods ― We support the availability of natural, unprocessed foods, including, but not limited to, the right to access raw milk. Raw milk. It always seems to come back to raw milk with these idiots. 
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CommieGIR posted:That is absolutely what they said. It's things like this that make me wonder if conservatives were replaced by some comedy actors working off a really dark script about a decade back. It'd certainly explain Trump.
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For balance, here's the "kooky" planks from the Texas Democratic Party Platform (2012):quote: promote multi-language instruction, beginning in elementary school, to make all students fluent in English and at least one other language; Bonus Israel: quote: maintain our long-standing policy that a true, mutually respectful peace with safe and secure borders for two states dedicated to peace and democracy – a Jewish homeland in Israel and a Palestinian homeland –can only result from direct negotiations between willing and responsible partners; See Both Parties Are the Same!
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Ogmius815 posted:Can I move to your alternate reality in which the second avenue line is anything but the fever dream of some manic city planners? As long as it's a reality where Staten Island isn't run and populated with racist poo poo heads and public transit isn't an absurd near nonexistent joke I'd like to come
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hobbesmaster posted:Newtonian-Galilean relativity is an important concept in high school physics. Which is great until you start doing college level work, including your first few college prep classes. You can't get through a decent STEM education without understanding how a good amount of this "heretical" science works. We need to be preparing our kids for success when they come up to these ideas, instead of hiding them so kids get blindsided in college when poo poo gets real. Increased scientific literacy (and hell, regular literacy while we're at it) is what it's going to take to make people capable of operating in a modern society. At this rate, all you're getting KS and OK to turn into is The Land That Hope Forgot (But Meth Still Remembers). We already have an Alabama and a Mississippi, we can't afford a second of each.
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Trabisnikof posted:For balance, here's the "kooky" planks from the Texas Democratic Party Platform (2012): Is it still legal to smoke in bars, restaurants, and offices in Texas?
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rkajdi posted:Increased scientific literacy (and hell, regular literacy while we're at it) is what it's going to take to make people capable of operating in a modern society. At this rate, all you're getting KS and OK to turn into is The Land That Hope Forgot (But Meth Still Remembers). We already have an Alabama and a Mississippi, we can't afford a second of each. Carl said it best: quote:We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan
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rkajdi posted:Which is great until you start doing college level work, including your first few college prep classes. You can't get through a decent STEM education without understanding how a good amount of this "heretical" science works. We need to be preparing our kids for success when they come up to these ideas, instead of hiding them so kids get blindsided in college when poo poo gets real. I've heard a lot of anecdotes of creationist doctors and biologists (Ben Carson for example) who just compartmentalize their science knowledge from "God's Truth". It's how stuff like "microevolution" becomes a term.
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foobardog posted:I've heard a lot of anecdotes of creationist doctors and biologists (Ben Carson for example) who just compartmentalize their science knowledge from "God's Truth". It's how stuff like "microevolution" becomes a term. Well, and the issue is (especially in places in the South like Georgia, Mississippi, Texas, etc.) these nuts then get positions on the school board and start changing the lesson plans to insert their own home spun wisdom, despite the fact that the courts have time and again told them to knock it off.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Is it still legal to smoke in bars, restaurants, and offices in Texas? I'm pretty sure these are left up to individual communities, cities to control through local ordinances. It's really amazing how quickly society got on board with anti-smoking policy being the accepted norm.
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