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Yeah that's pretty much my take on it. If the AFL want a drug testing regime they should organise their own. That drug testing in sport is treated as a public service like environmental monitoring or the regulation of the labour market seems strange to me.
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# ? May 24, 2024 07:08 |
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Slow News Day.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 04:05 |
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Anidav posted:
What's the 13% Liberals? "Throw Bill Snorin into the sea"?
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 04:07 |
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I have no idea, I just assume They all cross the streams on some issues that it'd be impossible to get 0% Liberal.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 04:12 |
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Anidav posted:
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 04:13 |
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Laserface posted:Who cares? its entertainment. Yeah, the private sector can easily monitor itself without government red tape to get in the way.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 04:21 |
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open24hours posted:Yeah that's pretty much my take on it. If the AFL want a drug testing regime they should organise their own. That drug testing in sport is treated as a public service like environmental monitoring or the regulation of the labour market seems strange to me. Athletes generally have a small window for success and will happily destroy themselves for short-term gain whilst sporting bodies turn a blind eye.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 04:21 |
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I know that sports and, well, people who post on the internet in discussions of politics are usually anathema and sport can be bundled off to one side as not a concern but drug use in sport is rampant from the top down with the fatalities, shortened lives, and everything in between adding up. There is little to no motivation amongst established sports to fight this, because they've spent years protecting them and they all have skeletons in their closets. It's akin to the Catholic Church - they've spent years covering it up, and the rabbit hole is too deep, they will do everything to protect themselves and their reputation - and to do that nothing bad must ever be reported.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 04:25 |
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If it were reframed as an OH&S issue I might be more sympathetic to it, but as far as I can tell the main objective is to promote 'fairness'. It also seems like a lot of the things professional athletes put themselves through would be banned if sport were treated like other jobs though.
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open24hours posted:If it were reframed as an OH&S issue I might be more sympathetic to it, but as far as I can tell the main objective is to promote 'fairness'. You can argue that it being framed as a fairness problem makes no logical sense, but that's what sports and sports people are - they're meant to be icons. To stay on top you push yourself harder than everyone is going to go, and yes in individual sports its their own actions but it's in an environment where they have forever hosed their bodies (or been pressured to, or know that the system is rigged). This goes far beyond simply sports, steroid use amongst high schoolers (and now, late primary schoolers) has risen gigantically in the past decade. This is new to Australia but been established in America for some time where the only way to get out of being poor was to be the strongest sportsman and maybe get lucky. It's an epidemic and treating it like private enterprise alone is missing the forest for the trees. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/05/06/1083635254464.html http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/steroid-use-putting-body-conscious-teens-at-risk-20090919-fw48.html http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/men-body-image-steroids/5306494
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I don't really see how that's an argument for government involvement in anti-doping. Could you realistically expect the problem of steroid use among teens to increase if drug testing in sport was done independently? Some kids probably smoke weed because they want to be more like their hero Snoop Dogg, should the government be involved in anti-doping in music?
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 04:40 |
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That's a false equivalency - your original claim was to let AFL deal with it if they want to, which again is pretty clearly from the eyes of someone who doesn't "get" sport. I responded showing why this is just an extension of the logic that allows any field to become "why should the government interfere/regulate private industry". As for weed use/steroid use you do realise that a number of these teens are using these drugs to become the best - if an institution existed to mean that effort was wasted wouldn't it by logic reduce its usage? This isn't about appearances solely, it's about getting as strong as possible, as fast as possible, and having a heart attack by 35. Also unlike weed steroids permanently change your physiology, yes even when you stop using them, they aren't a recreational high.
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Replace weed with heroin if it makes it easier. There are a lot of things that I don't think the government should regulate, are you arguing that because the regulation of some things is necessary the regulation of all things is necessary? For example, cheating in motorsport is endemic. Should we have a government department whose job it is to measure boost pressure and injector size in racing cars, or is it something better left to the race organisers? open24hours fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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open24hours posted:Replace weed with heroin if it makes it easier. All professional sport should be publicly owned. At a local government level sports teams can help the community in an actual meaningful way and the unhealthy advertising for gambling can be banned at the federal level. Government dept with community consultation could then draw up standards wrt drug taking using input on how it can effect younger players. As always, the answer is public ownership.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 05:27 |
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Simplest answer, kill sports
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 05:37 |
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Simplest answer, kill sports Preferably while they sleep in their barracks.
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open24hours posted:Drugs in [professional] sport: an issue for the federal government (or state, for that matter)? Considering that most sports played at the national level involve athletes that compete at the international level... Then it is a government issue. The government makes a large investment into the development of athletes and sporting organisations, so it only makes sense to hold professional athletes to international standards. Besides if you are a sport that doesn't compete internationally like the AFL, do you really want to carry a reputation for not giving a poo poo about drug use? Take a look at professional wrestling if you want to plumb the depths of a sport with token drug testing. - A 70 year old man
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http://www.macleayargus.com.au/story/3656973/killed-stone-dead/?cs=1274quote:South Kempsey project scuttled but council manages to hang onto funding By Kieran Moran Jan. 11, 2016, 3:52 p.m. Rob Oakeshott was able to secure this project. It was designed to improve the community facilities in one of the predominantly black ghetto areas. Now apparently due to an indigenous land claim the money will have to spent in a white neighbourhood instead. You can not make this poo poo up. This is the same council who just pissed over a million dollars up the wall felating all of the scummy landlords in the main street as their solution to the town being bypassed by the Pacific Highway.
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Tokamak posted:Considering that most sports played at the national level involve athletes that compete at the international level... Then it is a government issue. The government makes a large investment into the development of athletes and sporting organisations, so it only makes sense to hold professional athletes to international standards. Tokamak posted:Besides if you are a sport that doesn't compete internationally like the AFL, do you really want to carry a reputation for not giving a poo poo about drug use? Take a look at professional wrestling if you want to plumb the depths of a sport with token drug testing.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 06:00 |
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I'm fairly certain I saw an AFL match between the USA and Japan in Gosford, though?
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 06:04 |
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Worst company you can be possibly working for. The zionists are in league with the catholic leadership. That is why the Pope is so chummy with Islam. The Papacy invented Islam to do it's persecutions for it so it could be seen to keep it's hands clean. The new world order is really the dark ages take two but this time they are getting rid of the whites because white Europeans broke the churches power before.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 06:42 |
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Obviously the source is UPF supporter, or person with schizophrenia/delusions
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 06:45 |
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Recoome posted:Obviously the source is UPF supporter, or person with schizophrenia/delusions please don't sign your posts.
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Recoome posted:Worst company you can be possibly working for. The zionists are in league with the catholic leadership. That is why the Pope is so chummy with Islam. The Papacy invented Islam to do it's persecutions for it so it could be seen to keep it's hands clean. Is this part of white supremacist conspiracy bingo? Because I think we've all won.
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https://www.facebook.com/murraylee.wilson?fref=ufi
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 06:49 |
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This has to be a fake profile, it's all there it's just so bizarre.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 06:50 |
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Up next in news that surprises nobody:Guardian Au posted:TPP trade deal will expand Australia's economy by less than 1%, World Bank reveals Labor you're as worthless as the loving National Party.
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Recoome posted:Obviously the source is UPF supporter, or person with schizophrenia/delusions Why not both?
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Why not both?
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 07:21 |
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US uses post WW2 cultural imperialism to gently caress over Asian nations + Australia.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 08:09 |
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Anidav posted:US uses post WW2 cultural imperialism to gently caress over Asian nations + Australia. Business uses politics being compromised by capital to push rich nations to create exploitation opportunities in poor nations at the expense of the very rich nations which they are puppeting.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 08:58 |
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He must have never seen "Jaws: The Revenge". Graic Gabtar fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Keep trollin' trollin' trollin'.
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 09:16 |
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Anidav posted:US uses post WW2 cultural imperialism to gently caress over Asian nations + Australia. I don't know much about the impact the TPP will have on countries that are not Australia; are there any good sources for this? The article suggests that GDP will rise by ~10% for most signing countries and I've always been a fan of international aid, is there an argument to be made that it's worthwhile for the beneficial effects the TPP will have on the economy of Malaysia, Vietnam etc or is it all poo poo (and if it's all poo poo, what kind of poo poo for the poorer nations?) Any idea whether the report indicates that Canada is advantaged by the deal or are they getting comparable benefits to Australia/US?
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 09:29 |
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I agree with Something Wonky, we should be complaining that the ABC isn't left enough, when they let right wing shrills like Berg and Anne Henderson on their site or news services so it looks like they are being "balanced"
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 22:20 |
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It's easy to blame the ABC, but the left is just terrible at getting its message out. Where's the IPA alternative?
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# ? Jan 12, 2016 23:19 |
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When others laugh at how deluded the Socialist Alliance are and mock them most people nod sagely. Whereas the IPA gets quoted in all seriousness by ministers. See also Kate Carnell
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Cartoon posted:When others laugh at how deluded the Socialist Alliance are and mock them most people nod sagely. Whereas the IPA gets quoted in all seriousness by ministers. See also Kate Carnell I can't believe how every time there's a media talking point about productivity she gets up there and directly contradicts herself sentence to sentence about penalty rates. It's bizarre.
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They get quoted because they're much better at playing the game than anyone in the Socialist Alliance could ever hope to be.
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