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Everybody can have their own Sunderland - here is mine. Seems the pilot has had to feather his starboard engines: So it obviously had to land:  fredleander fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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My maternal grandfather was just a kid when the Japanese invaded Hainan in 1939. They burned his father's furniture factory and sent his family fleeing to Malaya. Then the Japanese invaded Malaya, and he spent several years as a teenager hiding out in the jungle with the communist resistance. That generation lived in interesting times all round really.
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Jan 10, 2016 17:43
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Helicon One posted:While we have established that the Sunderland was a flying boat rather than a floatplane, here is an example of it being absurdly awesome: One can also use the expression "seaplane" - which covers both categories... 
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Jan 10, 2016 18:13
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   You most defiantly don't have a permit to do that!   Due to extremely slow marching, the invasion of Mindando is going poorly. So I land fresh troops today.  We hold off an Allied counter attack at Manilla.   Talking about slow marchers! These guys finally move up and get into action.   We are picking off a good number of ships around here.   The Chinese counter attack at Changsha, but it goes horribly for them – I need to press my attack now, before they can recover those disabled squads.   Changsha is going to be bloody, but that attack today should swing it in my favour!  Well, this is random!
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Jan 10, 2016 18:52
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Broken ship being shuttled back to Seattle? January weather was never going to be kind if it had any serious damage.
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Jan 10, 2016 19:11
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I get all my cheese and butter from Tillamook! 
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Jan 10, 2016 20:13
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goatface posted:Broken ship being shuttled back to Seattle? January weather was never going to be kind if it had any serious damage. Wouldn't the better shipyards be in either San Diego or Los Angeles and not Seattle though?
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Jan 10, 2016 20:17
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Not if they're full. Maybe the Pearl attack didn't go as well as we hoped.
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Jan 10, 2016 20:28
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Or if the AI is just being dumb, which is always a possibility.
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Jan 10, 2016 20:32
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Some superb piece of pathing that takes it up North East until it can sail down the "safer" water of the West Coast? Sounds plausible.
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Jan 10, 2016 20:54
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Sunderland (or PBY) related: I don't remember ever seeing any screenshots of subs being attacked by planes. Does this not get shown or is it not in the game ?
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Jan 10, 2016 20:54
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Do the PBYs fulfill their real role of rescuing downed pilots and other personnel, too?
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Jan 10, 2016 22:33
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CeeJee posted:Sunderland (or PBY) related: I don't remember ever seeing any screenshots of subs being attacked by planes. Does this not get shown or is it not in the game ? It does get shown in game, but only on the game map for a second or two while the turn is running, so it's difficult to get a screenshot of it. The screenshots we see in this thread are either from times the game is paused to display a full combat report or during combat types that stay on screen for a while while they resolve. Air vs. sub attacks basically consist of a line of text saying "some plane is attacking some sub in this hex" and possibly "the sub is HIT". Unless they changed in a patch since I last played, it doesn't even give any indication of fires or damage like air strikes against surface ships.
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Jan 10, 2016 22:38
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goatface posted:Some superb piece of pathing that takes it up North East until it can sail down the "safer" water of the West Coast? Sounds plausible. I think a pathing problem is what caused the USS North Carolina to be sunk in Grey's allied game. It took a strange path and ended up in Betty range. I believe. I may be wrong.
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Jan 10, 2016 23:58
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There is some historical work from not just nazi apologists that argues the case that Stalin was planning an offensive operation against Germany; however, this is tiny minority and the vast majority of Scholars disagree. Not that it matters at all because even if it was true, the Germans didn't actually know about it, and as far as they were concerned were just making poo poo up as casus belli for Hitler's long planned "war of extermination" in the east. The real rationale was he was bored with the U.K. and pretty powerless to end that conflict. As per Mein Kumpf he was ultimately planning his Russian war from the beginning, and may have offered peace through Hess (this is hotly debated) which promised a withdraw from Western Europe for a free hand in Russia. Even with a no from England he went ahead with Barbarossa with the thought that beating Russia would handle his UK problem, because he thought the UK was holding out for Russian intervention and would give up hope of the Germans won there.
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Jan 11, 2016 02:30
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CeeJee posted:Sunderland (or PBY) related: I don't remember ever seeing any screenshots of subs being attacked by planes. Does this not get shown or is it not in the game ? Yes, it is shown, but it helps if they have depth charges or an anti-submarine radar, both of which the earliest PBYs available don't have. Some actions also occur without bringing up the combat reporter, so its possible that they occur more often than I've noticed, but you have to dig through the text to find it happening. Night10194 posted:Do the PBYs fulfill their real role of rescuing downed pilots and other personnel, too? You can have them transport units but I don't think S&R is modelled in-game (I could be wrong on this) Slippery42 posted:It does get shown in game, but only on the game map for a second or two while the turn is running, so it's difficult to get a screenshot of it. The screenshots we see in this thread are either from times the game is paused to display a full combat report or during combat types that stay on screen for a while while they resolve. Air vs. sub attacks basically consist of a line of text saying "some plane is attacking some sub in this hex" and possibly "the sub is HIT". Unless they changed in a patch since I last played, it doesn't even give any indication of fires or damage like air strikes against surface ships. You can adjust the delay so that it stays displayed longer (in preferences).
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Jan 11, 2016 02:31
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My turn for story time: My paternal grandfather was in the Army Air Corps, and missed his boat to the European theater. He was then sent to India where he spent the rest of the war being a drill sergeant or something because he came up with the idea for farm boys to put a rock in the pocket that they start marching with in formation. Most of the troops on the boat he missed ended up in the Battle of the Bulge. My maternal grandfather had his 9th birthday the day after Pearl Harbor (WAY TO RUN THE FUN, GREY HUNTER!  )His father (my great-grandfather) was called up, however, to serve in the medical corps. The family moved to San Francisco so he could finish some formal medical education. He then received orders to report to Augusta, GA to become part of an unnamed general hospital which they took to mean a field hospital getting prepared to send to Europe. As it turns out, he served at the Hotel turned Hospital the Forrest Hills-Ricker and spent the duration of the war mostly giving GI's with the clap injections of penicillin.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:01
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   We start the day with a hunting sub.  The Sub war continues to be the most dangerous part for us.  I order a shock attack at Iba, and the enemy surrender and entire division to us.  The new invasion at the south is successful, the ships will pick these troops up and move them on to the next target.  The invasion force arrives at Mersing, and the enemy begin their attack.  Our attack at Changsha is brutal, but it lowers the fortifications. Maybe the Chinese will be kind enough to counter attack again tomorrow.   The fall of Iba frees up a load of troops, and means I'm certanly doing a lot better than the previous run, where I was held up here for months.  That cruiser may have been limping home.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:04
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My grandfather joined the US Navy in 1928 (he served until 1963). During the war he served in both the European and Pacific theatres. First as the chief engineer on a fleet tug the USS Kiowa in the Atlantic. Until D-Day his ship pulled barges across the Atlantic on convoy duty. On D-day the Kiowa's job was special. They pulled sunk landing craft out of the invasion lane and cleared the beach of obstacles, under constant fire from German machine guns and 88s. During this time, the CO of the Kiowa ordered, against my grandfathers advise, the ship to over top a clear German obstacle. When the prop ended up fowled and the Kiowa dead in the water and under heavy fire, the CO completely froze. Unable to get orders from him, my grandfather took defacto command of he ship, formulated a repair and freed the ship. Afterwards his CO received a bronze star for my grandfathers actions. In late 1944 he was transferred to the USS Conserver--a brand new salvage and rescue ship--as Chief engineer. Here they mostly did just that. After the war was over he was one of the first US personnel in occupied Japan. After the war he stayed on the Conserver and took part in Operation Crossroads. His job was to board and examine/damage assess target ships. He had lots of stories about this, and I've toyed with doing an Ask/Tell thread just about that. After he refused a promotion to avoid being at sea (he hadn't really seen his family between 1942 and 1947) and was shuffled around as the commanding officer in charge of US navy power stations on Pacific islands like Guam & Kwajalein until his retirement. I've got no idea why I sperged this here, other than I was really close to my grandfather (he could have been my second dad) and seeing other people's family stories.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:06
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ZombieLenin posted:I've got no idea why I sperged this here, other than I was really close to my grandfather (he could have been my second dad) and seeing other people's family stories. After I posted my bit about my paternal grandfather spending the war in the Atlantic tropics, I emailed my grandmother to ask her if there were any interesting stories he had told her about the war. She still has his diary, and figured I'd get a kick out of one page from it: his evaluation of the top five ports he visited based on the local hookers. 1. Key West, USA 2. Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 3. Nassau, The Bahamas 4. Miami, USA 5. Cancun, Mexico
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Jan 11, 2016 19:19
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Paternal grandfather was also a chief engineer on the Fletcher class destroyer USS Franks. He was at the Battle off Samar in the sister task force to Taffy 3 (Taffy 2) doing the same job of escorting carriers. When the Japanese fleet appeared his ship also made a torpedo run but got called away to protect the carriers before attacking. Grandpa thought they were targeting the Yamato but some research says it was probably the Kongo. The ships that got sunk in Taffy 3 were in my Grandpa’s same destroyer squadron. He never really talked about any details if he knew anyone on those ships but I’d assume he did as they did a number of missions together earlier in the war. After the battle he somehow ended up becoming the prison warden for the Port Chicago Mutineers while they awaited trial... Maternal grandfather was a Corsair pilot but crashed his plane a couple months before deploying and spent the rest of the war in the hospital. He would have been stationed on the Midway.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:20
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Fun fact about my grandfather, just before the war he was on a minesweeper stationed in Argentina Newfoundland, and he and his engineering crew was slated to be transferred to the Reuben James. Less than a month before she was torpedoed his staff was transferred and he wasn't because his XO didn't want to let him go. At that moment he was pissed because all his men--and friends left for that ship; however, had his XO not "screwed" him he would have died and I wouldn't be here as all of the engineering staff on the Rueben James died when she was torpedoed.
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Jan 12, 2016 01:31
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My grandfather never talked about the war - it wasn't until we found his discharge papers and some other miscellaneous paperwork that we realized that he fought in every major battle of the war from Guadacanal to Iwo Jima except for a few where he was recovering from being shot, and was scheduled for the first wave of DOWNFALL.
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Jan 12, 2016 07:06
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The Illisos is a 4700 ton cargo ship, a slow steamer if she's this one: http://www.flotilla-australia.com/images/illisos.jpg. 9.5 knots as a max speed is only a few knots faster than a sub while submerged. The Konan Maru is in the game as an AK, but this one is a troop transport. There are a whole bunch of them though, so we may never know which one it is. My surviving granddad has told us he sailed on a wooden hulled minesweeper in the English Channel, and swept some of the D-Day landing beaches. He told a story about being horrified by bodies floating in the ocean, and a superior trying to help by offering to shoot them so they'd sink. He won't talk about it otherwise, and he never let anyone accompany him to the reunion meets he went to every year.
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Jan 12, 2016 17:27
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ZombieLenin posted:Fun fact about my grandfather, just before the war he was on a minesweeper stationed in Argentina Newfoundland, and he and his engineering crew was slated to be transferred to the Reuben James. Less than a month before she was torpedoed his staff was transferred and he wasn't because his XO didn't want to let him go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99meH14y03I quote:“The Sinking of the Reuben James” is a song by Woody Guthrie about the sinking of the U.S. convoy escort, the Reuben James, which was the first U.S. naval ship sunk by German U-boats in World War II. Woody Guthrie had started to write a song including each name on the casualty list of the sinking. This was later replaced by the chorus “tell me what were their names. You probably know this, but still, glad Woody Gurthie didn't have to write down your grandfather's name. My paternal grandfather was Quebecois and the only thing I know about his wartime experience from an offhand comment from my dad is that he was working in a factory in Montreal where his boss declared him 'essential labour' or something to that effect to stop him from joining/being drafted into the army. The most interesting war story in my family is what I dug up about a great-great-great-uncle on my mother's side who was drafted for the first world war in the fall of 1917, spent months training in Canada and England, arrived in France on August 1st, 1918, arrived at his unit on August 20th, and was shot in the arm during a general advance on August 25 which sent him to a hospital for the remainder. He spent less than a full week on the front-line, and was one of the relatively few Canadian conscripts to actually arrive at the front, where the Canadian Corps was gearing up for the 100 Days offensive. I actually narrowed down the spot where he was wounded to a small patch of trees in a field in Belgium, which is pretty much unchanged on maps from 1918 and on Google Maps today, I kinda want to visit that spot some day if I can. Anyways, I'm really enjoying all the family war stories in this thread, it helps make the current LP uncomfortably real as GH continues his quest to sink every ship in the Pacific.
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Jan 12, 2016 17:49
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My maternal grandfather was in the Philippine army. Unfortunately he died before I was born and I dont know much of his service. IIRC he was a 1st Lieutenant. My paternal grandparents were too young to serve and because they lived in the Philippines most of the time I never got to ask were able to survive Japanese occupation.
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Jan 12, 2016 18:00
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Maternal grandfather had run away from an orphanage when he was 15 and was sleeping rough and doing odd jobs when Pearl Harbor hit. After that he joined the Army and became a cook serving in North Africa and Italy. After the war he went to college on the GI Bill and became modestly wealthy through careful investments and legal work that he did for West Publishing. Paternal grandfather sat out the war. He was 4-F owing to the fact that he'd lost a kidney in a sawmill accident when he was a teenager. He spent the war logging and organizing unions among the lumberjacks in Wisconsin. He'd have hated Scott Walker.
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Jan 12, 2016 18:00
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My paternal grandfather was stationed at Scapa Flow as a member of the Observer Corps, ending the war as a sergeant. My maternal grandfather, on the other hand, was a lieutenant of infantry with the York and Lancaster Regiment. He saw action in only one battle, Moro River, during the Italian campaign. From the records, he found the experience emotionally crippling, as immediately after the battle he was returned home suffering from shell-shock and finished the war as a training officer. One uncle said his father was a member of the Dutch resistance who refused to talk about his war-time experiences. I cannot even imagine what that was like.
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Jan 12, 2016 20:52
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From what I have been told, one of my great-uncles (brother of my paternal grandmother) was called up for the neutrality watch in 1940 and participated in the fighting around Narvik from april to june of that year. He lived until the mid-1970s, but never spoke a word of his experiences to anyone.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:51
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Games > Let's Play > War in the Pacific - Flags of our Grandfathers / Effortposts from Iwo Jima
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Jan 12, 2016 22:10
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WEll on grandpa chat my grandfather was a combat engineer who landed on d-day, then went through germany building bridges and poo poo to help the advance. He at one point had a collection of german guns he had taken from men he had killed as momentos but he eventually sold them off. Mostly liked to talk about the not combat poo poo he did like getting drunk, going awol, sex with british and french women, did not want to talk about combat in anything more than generalities.
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Jan 12, 2016 22:39
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Comrade Koba posted:Games > Let's Play > War in the Pacific - Flags of our Grandfathers / Effortposts from Iwo Jima Well you have to admit, as far as thread deviations go we
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Jan 12, 2016 22:53
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Generation Internet posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99meH14y03I Me too! Not only am I glad I had my grandfather until he 2009 (he was 97 when he died), but my dad wasn't born until 1947! Had my grandfather been transferred, like he had wanted, I wouldn't be here telling you his story. By the way, that song was a bit personal for my grand dad because he was good friends with 6 of the sailors who died (he probably knew a dozen or so).
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Jan 13, 2016 00:19
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Grey I just want to say you're absolutely mental for doing this a second (third) time. Shine on you crazy diamond. And thank you for doing this.
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Jan 13, 2016 00:24
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My paternal grandfather enlisted and spent the war in an army supply depot in Kansas. My maternal grandfather tried to join up, but he was too old and had some health problems, so instead, he got a job as a security guard in a steel plant, which was a war essential industry. His little brother, though, was an MP in France. Near the end of '44, everyone knew the war was going to be over soon, and that, after the war, the infantry would be going home first, and that the MPs would probably be demobilized last, because, obviously, you're going to need military police during the occupation. My great-uncle wanted to get home as soon as he could, so he arranged a transfer into the infantry. A couple of weeks later, he was shot in the head and killed.
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Jan 13, 2016 01:30
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It's a bit inappropriate to call these updates Hawaii time, isn't it? Should be glorious Asian co-prosperity sphere central time or something else appropriately jingoistic.
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Jan 13, 2016 02:02
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The Glorious Co-Prosperity sphere is on the wrong side of the date line generally, so it's gotta be Hawaii time
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Jan 13, 2016 03:15
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Veloxyll posted:The Glorious Co-Prosperity sphere is on the wrong side of the date line generally, so it's gotta be Hawaii time The only solution is to add the Hawaiian islands to our co-prosperity sphere so that we need not be ashamed of the name 
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Jan 13, 2016 03:19
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My maternal great-grandfather enlisted in the cavalry in 1912 and chased Pancho Villa in Mexico before going to France for World War I. He received a commission either juuuust after or juuuuust before Pearl Harbor and went to Europe with most of his sons for World War II, returning home a major. My paternal grandfather was turned down for service in World War II, can't remember the reason why.
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   I'm amazed I've not been driven off by hordes of Destroyers yet.  We are racking up a steady kill tally on the Allies with our subs.  We see some effective defence over Mersing.  Time to start whittling.  Screw it, lets push hard tomorrow in the Philippines.  He he he.
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