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Strobe posted:Tractor Beams are range 1-3 and just a single point. Bring enough of them, and his dice will gently caress him eventually, and in the meantime you're taking away his range bonus using a secondary weapon. Nuh uh he's a large ship. But it might convince me to finally move on to Poe/Dash or Poe/Miranda/A. LOL if this brings back 4B though.
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Strobe posted:Tractor Beams are range 1-3 and just a single point. Bring enough of them, and his dice will gently caress him eventually, and in the meantime you're taking away his range bonus using a secondary weapon. Yep. Thematically, it fits  I had a great game with Latts Razzi putting some good damage on the Falcon due to having it roll zero dice, and thus never being able to trigger C3PO
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Chill la Chill posted:Nuh uh he's a large ship. But it might convince me to finally move on to Poe/Dash or Poe/Miranda/A. LOL if this brings back 4B though. The movement isn't what fucks up Han here; taking him down to agility 0 stops C3P0 working.
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thespaceinvader posted:It even has the pilots that mess with stress that the B-Wing has. 4-LOM is going to be trolly as FUUUUUCK. E: why yess I will tractor beam you, drop you onto this debris cloud next to me, and then give you a stress token. 4-LOM with Tractor Beam seems like it would be pretty hilarious in the Kath + Palob list, since with Adaptability he can jump Kath in the shooting order at your discretion to tugboat people into better assblast angles (or just straight up crash them into rocks) and then drop the stress you earned from your lovely dial on to them afterward. Palob still strips tokens and uses them to either give an extra green die to Kath or 4-LOM with Bodyguard, or uses it to shoot out of arc. I'm not sure if it's a great list, but it could be pretty trolly.
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It's seriously impressive how much this game keeps getting crazier and better each wave. FFG deserves major props for their dedication to creativity and rules design.
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Chill la Chill posted:Nuh uh he's a large ship. But it might convince me to finally move on to Poe/Dash or Poe/Miranda/A. LOL if this brings back 4B though. thespaceinvader posted:The movement isn't what fucks up Han here; taking him down to agility 0 stops C3P0 working. What he said. Han is annoying as poo poo when he inexplicably always dodges two or three hits a turn. Tractor Beam makes that a non-issue.
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guts and bolts posted:4-LOM with Tractor Beam seems like it would be pretty hilarious in the Kath + Palob list, since with Adaptability he can jump Kath in the shooting order at your discretion to tugboat people into better assblast angles (or just straight up crash them into rocks) and then drop the stress you earned from your lovely dial on to them afterward. Palob still strips tokens and uses them to either give an extra green die to Kath or 4-LOM with Bodyguard, or uses it to shoot out of arc. I'm not sure if it's a great list, but it could be pretty trolly. Yeah, I'm super looking forward to Scum getting some proper stress imposition options. I'm really into the idea of scum, but I'm a dirty WAAC so I don't like the idea of playing them whilst very few of their builds are really competitive. Enter Dengar and the Mist Hunter  Also, I have to say I'm pleased with the way this wave has fixed Ordnance pretty effectively. You can do a single long range blast then not care (LRS, not that anyone will) or continuous improved shots (Chimps) and now you can move people into or so they move onto your bombs with Tractor Beams. But none of it is wildly overpowered. Love it! thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 21:59
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Han has been done since TLT joined the game.
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alg posted:Han has been done since TLT joined the game. Its actually the VSP list's ability to negate gunner fire that's wearing me down. Never had a problem with TLT since it's just like playing against 4BZ.
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ConfusedUs posted:I kinda want to run a Defender/Punisher list now. I've done it, and will be doing it again tomorrow. It works, really well. My only real hope right now is a cheaper way to get a defender at PS7 with a free EPT, because Rexler is a little too expensive and doesn't have the brilliant pilot ability that Vessery does - but being able to take Crack Shot is great... thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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My biggest question about thi g1a is how much the low ps generic costs. I hope it's 23.
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Panzeh posted:My biggest question about thi g1a is how much the low ps generic costs. I hope it's 23. It's a 3 skill with a better dial than a B-wing, a slightly worse health breakdown than a B-wing, and it will probably have an illicit upgrade slot. 23 is probably the lower bound on that.
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Regarding the tractor off the board thing, I think ithe fact that they changed the ruling before fully revealing the tractor beam is too coincidental. They probably deliberately changed it in order to prevent the tractor beam from doing just that, or otherwise it would be too strong.
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lol at people still getting mad that when there's only 1 copy of X upgrade in an expansion. That's literally how they've done it for the entire life of the game, except in very specific circumstances. How are you surprised that things work the way they always have?
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Well when someone's collection of miniature plastic space ships increases and begins to include a couple that they only got for a single card or two, for whatever reason they're likely to complain on the Internet.
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thespaceinvader posted:On another note, Yorr with Electronic Baffles seems like a pretty hard counter to stressbots for imperials, so it's not all bad for them this wave. Ha I literally just posted this on Reddit. And yes, yes they are.
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More noob questions (forever noob) So, does Adaptability help out the mid-range PS pilots very much? Also, how is it worth having adaptability instead of an action EPT like PTL?
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Finster Dexter posted:More noob questions (forever noob) How many points do you want to spend? There's your answer. I have to admit that a horde of Black Squadron Pilots with Adaptability would pretty handily own the generic pilots game.
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Finster Dexter posted:More noob questions (forever noob) Probably yes, but we don't know for sure how it works yet. It's been theorised a lot that its real goal is to run a fleet of generics all at the same PS to allow you to choose your movement and shooting order, and it's therefore a fix for generic and mid-PS pilots. I'm not sure I really buy that, but it depends hugely on how it works, which we just don't know yet. Strobe posted:How many points do you want to spend? There's your answer. Unless you run out of points I struggle to believe that Crack Shot wouldn't be just better.
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pbpancho posted:lol at people still getting mad that when there's only 1 copy of X upgrade in an expansion. That's literally how they've done it for the entire life of the game, except in very specific circumstances. How are you surprised that things work the way they always have? I wasn't mad. I was saying that's exactly what's happening and people were being too hopeful at expecting 2 whole copies.
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Huh I wonder how Ruthlessness works with Tractor Beams. Does it proc off the original or new position of the target?
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thespaceinvader posted:Probably yes, but we don't know for sure how it works yet. It's been theorised a lot that its real goal is to run a fleet of generics all at the same PS to allow you to choose your movement and shooting order, and it's therefore a fix for generic and mid-PS pilots. I'm not sure I really buy that, but it depends hugely on how it works, which we just don't know yet. Shooting first negates all potential of taking damage; Crack Shot at the same PS still invites return fire.
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Finster Dexter posted:I'd be more mad about the 1-card thing if the ships were lovely but they're not so Star vipers 
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ConfusedUs posted:Huh I wonder how Ruthlessness works with Tractor Beams. Ruthlessness is after the attack, whereas the Tractor Token and associated boost/br is part of the attack, so I'd go afterwards personall. COuld be good, could be bad. Also worth noting that the boost/br is not optional. You have to take it (presumably, unless it's blocked by enemy ships). Also, this puts paid to some extent to my thoughts of illicits that say 'take a tractor token and then'. Although, voluntarily taking a tractor token to get a no-action not-boost/not-br would be an interesting mechanic. Strobe posted:Shooting first negates all potential of taking damage; Crack Shot at the same PS still invites return fire. But conversely Crack Shot makes it a tonne more likely to get damage actually through. I'd be a lot more scared with most lists of a swarm of black crack and a swarm of black +1PS. If going up initiative was that valuable to low PS, we'd see black VI swarms and I don't think that's something I've ever come across.
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thespaceinvader posted:Ruthlessness is after the attack, whereas the Tractor Token and associated boost/br is part of the attack, so I'd go afterwards personall. COuld be good, could be bad. You can fit 7 Black Squads in with Adaptability, you can only fit 6 with Veteran Instincts. I'd call that significant enough to change the calculus a bit.
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The tractor beam card says "if this attack hits, the defender recieves one tractor beam token. Then cancel all dice results." The tractor beam token card reads "the first time a small ship recieves a tractor beam token each round" Ruthlessness triggers "after you perform an attack that hits" (emphasis mine). My interpretation would be that the defender recieving the tractor beam token is part of the initial attack, which is interrupted halfway through before you cancel dice results to trigger the barrel roll or boost. Once everything has resolved you would then trigger Ruthlessness. e: beaten
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Just got the core set after playing a demo of this and had fun. Whats the most economical way to expand my collection? Should I buy another core set to expand? I'm too poor to just go ham and buy all the X-Wangs so I need to budget myself. What's good for 100 point tournaments?
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General Battuta posted:I know this is awful but I wish it weren't The only way to make it more shenanigans is to have Kyle Katarn instead of Poe, but then your actual list viability drops through the floor. It looks fun to fly, and that's really all that matters.
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A BIG loving BLUNT posted:Just got the core set after playing a demo of this and had fun. Whats the most economical way to expand my collection? Should I buy another core set to expand? I'm too poor to just buy all the X-Wangs so I need to budget myself. What's good for 100 point tournaments? My usual advice is that you can't go wrong with the other core set, imperial aces and rebel aces - but really, your best option is to find a local club and borrow some ships, find out what you enjoy playing, and work from there. Use https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/ to build lists - and most local clubs will be fine with you using printouts from there in casual games as long as you have the mini, the dial, and the base token from somewhere. Then use http://randolphw.github.io/han-shopped-first/ to figure out the most economical way to buy it. Strobe posted:You can fit 7 Black Squads in with Adaptability, you can only fit 6 with Veteran Instincts. I'd call that significant enough to change the calculus a bit. But my outlook on this is coloured significantly by my distinct aversion to running swarms; I don't think I've run a mainstay ship below PS7 yet (other than Oicunn, once or twice, and a bomber shuttle) so a black squad going from 4 to 5 would rarely have mattered. OK, with Oicunn it might have, but in that situation I don't mind moving first, because it means I don't have to predict the BSPs' movements in order to run them over.
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A BIG loving BLUNT posted:Just got the core set after playing a demo of this and had fun. Whats the most economical way to expand my collection? Should I buy another core set to expand? Ya at this point getting a box of both the original and The Force Awakens core sets is a great move money wise.
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Why do you have Enhanced Scopes on Redline instead of Fire Control system? FCS is like a must-have for him. Also, you should have Cluster missiles instead of Homing
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ConfusedUs posted:Why do you have Enhanced Scopes on Redline instead of Fire Control system? I don't own either of those! I'll pick up a Phantom soon enough.
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Well, I posted that x-wing "risk" campaign I mentioned before. This might be too ambitious, but I figure I'd like to try since I think it's a neat idea.
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Improbable Lobster posted:There should be a Scum vs Villainy core set Isn't that just the Most Wanted?
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