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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hoooly gently caress, man. Do you really believe, in the general election, republicans are going to be worse off than democrats when this is brought up again? It wont' be brought up again because this will be a complete non-issue
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STAC Goat posted:Is it getting much? I see a ton of coverage of it on NBC/MSNBC but I haven't seen much on other channels. I was really annoyed that yesterday while MSNBC was showing Snyder's press conference CNN and Fox News were waiting for the Affluenza Mom to show up at court. It seemed to sum up things well. A tabloid story about one rich white family is more compelling than a human tragedy of thousands of poor black people being poisoned by the government's decisions and coverups. I saw Fox News mention it last week and they presented the story like it was brand new and didn't mention any of the coverup stuff or the issue of the governor appointed city manager. I just read a piece in Esquire that stopped short of saying Snyder should be arrested and he spent most of his time at the Detroit Auto Show answering questions about it from the press, so I think momentum is building.
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Talmonis posted:The statement was "White people really are the worst." Kind of a lovely thing to say, and turned into any other ethnic group would be racist as hell to boot. As common a refrain as it is around here, it's pretty tiresome. And no, nobody who already tries to "get it" as TB so eloquently puts it, is going to stop from stupid poo poo said on the internet, but I maintain that things like that are offputting to anyone new to it all. Mulva posted:Or maybe someone might look at that, wonder why that sentiment seems common and then educate themselves. Sure, much like the guy with the "God hates fags" sign standing on the street corner, there's a non-zero chance that someone might have an epiphany upon reading it and really think hard about it. I mean, maybe you might go home, examine your life and privilege and everything that's happened up to this point, read your bible and investigate on the internet, and come to the conclusion that Yes, God does, in fact, hate fags. But I doubt it. I understand blowing off steam, but it's not great a conversion technique. MaxxBot posted:It's possible to recognize the difference between the two and not view "reverse racism" as a legitimate issue while also thinking the "lol kill whites" stuff is dumb and unfunny. Also this.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Well, turns out, while 10 U.S. sailors are being detained in Iran tonight, Obama is still going to tout his iran deal. And, of course, will ignore completely said sailors. I hope we use the might of the entire U.S. navy to crush irans enemy saudi arabia by allah it shall be so
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It's no big deal and trust me none of the sailors want to be transferred in the middle of the night. Their boats broke down and the IRGCN was the first group of people that they ran into. There are worse situations to be in and there really is nothing to worry about.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Well, turns out, while 10 U.S. sailors are being detained in Iran tonight, Obama is still going to tout his iran deal. And, of course, will ignore completely said sailors. Yep. They were in Iran's territorial waters. Nobody's above the law. Apparently the crew said they had a mechanical problem and the Iranians were eventually able to verify that that was the case so they're being let go. Sounds like all parties involved are being professional.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Yep. They were in Iran's territorial waters. Nobody's above the law. Apparently the crew said they had a mechanical problem and the Iranians were eventually able to verify that that was the case so they're being let go. Sounds like all parties involved are being professional. Grandstanding is the big deal. If it was Romney in the White House right now these sailors would be on the receiving end of a drone strike so we could extend the forever war, but it's not and the right sees a huge opportunity to warmonger being wasted and it makes them crazy
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DeusExMachinima posted:Yep. They were in Iran's territorial waters. Nobody's above the law. Apparently the crew said they had a mechanical problem and the Iranians were eventually able to verify that that was the case so they're being let go. Sounds like all parties involved are being professional. This merits little more than a "Hey thanks Iran, for picking up our sailors safely. Sorry they drifted into your waters, and thanks for being cool about it."
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Talmonis posted:This merits little more than a "Hey thanks Iran, for picking up our sailors safely. Sorry they drifted into your waters, and thanks for being cool about it." Pretty much, I had a bunch of DoD friends panic, and then I pointed out that Iran has already, within the hour of the event, said they've verified the story and are trying to get them and their ship sent back safely. Considering the usual beef we have between us, this is pretty  of Iran.
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Potential BFF posted:The disdain for engineering makes a lot more sense now that I've seen how many of you work with software engineers. Environmental engineering probably doesn't attract many Randroids or bitter nerd shutins. A bit back, but I wanted to touch on this. I've lived in the Silicon Valley for ~6 years now, and it's taught me that politics is tied to money more than any other demographic (race, gender, age, etc). You have all these kids coming out of college and jumping straight into $90k a year tech jobs. That's a lot of money by itself, let alone when you're at a stage in your life where you have no family/mortgage or any significant debts outside of student loans. And they got it right out of the gate, without really needing to work their way up through the poo poo. So suddenly you have all these young people making upper-middle class income thinking "Wow, that was easy. Why are so many people poor? They must be lazy", disregarding that they're riding the ever hilariously oversized tech bubble. And it breeds a lot of the libertarian shithead mentality of gently caress you got mine. I mean yeah, tech & engineering definitely attract more misanthropes than average, but it's more about the money than people's predispositions. At least, that's my experience.
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Talmonis posted:Jesus you're sanctimonious. Clearly anyone who questions the majesty of anything you say is The Oppressor. Any discussion with you ever turns into passive-aggressive sniping of the other person's motives. And now the White Ally throws a sputtering fit about being mildly criticized. That train's never late! Will we ever solve the mystery of why POCs don't see white liberals as reliable allies? If you want to be the progressive you think you are you should probably not melt down after being told reverse racism is not a thing. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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foobardog posted:There's a lot of STEM nerds here, and Goons are self-hating.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:And now the White Ally throws a sputtering fit about being mildly criticized. That train's never late! Will we ever solve the mystery of why POCs don't see white liberals as reliable allies? Good thing we can rely on your posts, I guess. The Iran thing sounds like the sort of thing where Republicans will grandstand for their own base, who are well-primed for some imaginary narrative about how Obama had to bow and plead for the sailors' safe return and how this is another sign that the world thinks we're weak now. Doesn't meant the story has any kind of legs outside of that echo chamber, though, and might even help make the case that they're being paranoid and detached from reality when the sky does not in fact fall.
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CommieGIR posted:Pretty much, I had a bunch of DoD friends panic, and then I pointed out that Iran has already, within the hour of the event, said they've verified the story and are trying to get them and their ship sent back safely. Republican bellowing aside, all signs have been pointing towards a thawing of relations with Iran, which I hope will continue and will be a good thing if it does.
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Whenever I hear someone complaining about their religious liberties in this country all I hear is a big wet fart staining the Underpants of America. I knew POTUS usually has guests (thanks West Wing) but this is the first I've heard of Congress getting any guest passes. Anyone have any more info on this? e: Did this congressman literally give his own ticket away? climboutonalimb fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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mdemone posted:Dragging this up from a few pages ago, but...I'm going to lose my poo poo if he does. I think my take here is similar, but I am just a little more willing to roll the dice on Bernie because, despite his slightly tone deaf treatment of race and gender early in his campaign, I think he legitimately cares for the people of this country in a pluralistic sense. He's been on message about egalitarian policies about as long as Robert Reich has and I am legit hopeful about what he could do as president. He's the onk He is not as talented politically as Hilldawg, but I think he can lean on democratic bulldogs like Pelosi, Reid, and Durbin to catch him up to speed. He is as far from the Old Centrist Neo-Liberal left as we can get in this country and for that I'm grateful. Even if he doesn't win he's brought the Ameican anarchist/marxist/intellectual left back into national politics. And I mean anarchist in the Philly and Vermont tradition not dumb facebook anarchists: an ecological, economic, and pluralistic, local based anarchism philosophy. BaurusJA fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's no big deal and trust me none of the sailors want to be transferred in the middle of the night. Their boats broke down and the IRGCN was the first group of people that they ran into. There are worse situations to be in and there really is nothing to worry about. IRIN would have been better but oh well.
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BaurusJA posted:I think my take here is similar, but I am just a little more willing to roll the dice on Bernie because, despite his slightly tone deaf treatment of race and gender early in his campaign, I think he legitimately cares for the people of this country in a pluralistic sense. He's been on message about egalitarian policies about as long as Robert Reich has and I am legit hopeful about what he could do as president. He's the onk I agree. I think Bernie's a good guy and I'd be fine with him as president. There's a possibility the GOP might not even know what to do with him - he's a little more of a wild card than Obama and more likely to put forward actual leftist policy. Hilary's experience cuts two ways - there's nobody the GOP has had more practice slinging mud at. They might not know where to attack a guy who responds to "He's a Socialist!" with "Yep."
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BaurusJA posted:He is as far from the Old Centrist Neo-Liberal left as we can get in this country and for that I'm grateful. Even if he doesn't win he's brought the Ameican anarchist/marxist/intellectual left back into national politics. And I mean anarchist in the Philly and Vermont tradition not dumb facebook: an ecological, economic, and pluralistic, local based anarchism philosophy. Yup, this is a conflict for the soul of globalization - Hillary is a call back to the 90's "look at the numbers and don't ask questions".
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I agree. I think Bernie's a good guy and I'd be fine with him as president. There's a possibility the GOP might not even know what to do with him - he's a little more of a wild card than Obama and more likely to put forward actual leftist policy. Hilary's experience cuts two ways - there's nobody the GOP has had more practice slinging mud at. They might not know where to attack a guy who responds to "He's a Socialist!" with "Yep." If anything I'm very excited about this possibility. Just to see conserative pundits faces when he says that... "b-b-but s-s-ocialism..."
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McDowell posted:Yup, this is a conflict for the soul of globalization - Hillary is a call back to the 90's "look at the numbers and don't ask questions". Also, Bookchin is brilliant.
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BaurusJA posted:I think he legitimately cares for the people of this country in a pluralistic sense. I'm pretty sure most supporters of most politicians think that. I know that I, as a Clinton supporter feel that about her. I'd imagine even Trump's supporters think that of him.
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climboutonalimb posted:Whenever I hear someone complaining about their religious liberties in this country all I hear is a big wet fart staining the Underpants of America. I'm pretty sure one of the Duck Dynasty guys was invited to the last one.
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BaurusJA posted:Also, Bookchin is brilliant. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/magazine/a-dream-of-utopia-in-hell.html
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ReidRansom posted:This is probably a question for Joe, but has there been an instance of superdelegates changing the outcome of the primaries/convention against the will of the voters/caucuses rather than just reinforcing it? No, but keep in mind that primaries and caucuses have only been "a thing" in Presidential nominations since 1972 and superdelegates have only been a big thing in the Democratic primary since the 80s.
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fade5 posted:You have some new, rather interesting allies with that statement: ‘‘Were you afraid when you discovered that God didn’t exist?’’ Ramah asked, imploring me with earnest, walnut-brown eyes. ‘‘Why would I be afraid?’’ I said. ‘‘In a world where there’s no God,’’ he said, ‘‘how do you deal with the constant fear of dying?’’ That is soul crushingly sad to read. I don't know your take on this group, but I'm a fan.
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Here's a thread for the State of the Union. The PBS stream is currently live and focues on Joe Biden working the floor. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3759691
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BaurusJA posted:‘‘Were you afraid when you discovered that God didn’t exist?’’ Ramah asked, imploring me with earnest, walnut-brown eyes.  (Spoiler: I'm a fan, it's kinda how I ended up with the AV.)
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This is me hoping that Obama declares sharia law and steals every true patriot's guns. Every last one of them.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Clinton has had less of a tin ear regarding minorities than Sanders and has worked for civil rights for decades. It's not really accurate to say that she doesn't give a poo poo about helping minorities. The simple fact that Arkansas has a large non-white populace while Vermont doesn't means she had substantially more hands-on experience dealing not just with racial bias but also with racist assholes trying to subvert systems. Her accomplishments in education there are even more awesome in light of that. The difference between theory and practice is greater in practice than in theory. I'll take a battle tempered candidate, thanks.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Holy poo poo Obama opened the SOTU by telling jokes. p.sure he's beyond the point of giving a gently caress.
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Sydin posted:p.sure he's beyond the point of giving a gently caress. He's making cracks left and right. I only wish he'd take shots by name.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:
Joe's gonna invite cancer over for a night cap, give it an awkward shoulder massage, and choke it to death.
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