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the spyder
Feb 18, 2011

Fo3 posted:

I just pulled these out of storage since moving house a month ago.
You tell me what looks cooler. 13b EFI TB, or dual weber 40IDFs?


Just kidding. I was a early adopter of all sorts of rotary stuff decades ago, hence the twin IDFs; But I also jumped onto haltech EFI early on too with their basic fuel only F7 EFI system (and also of course had cars with the stock nikki or hitachi, and the tried and tested single 48IDA weber)

I had a PP 12a in my old shop on display. If I ever got to the point where I could utilize 2 Webbers, I would PP the son of a bitch.

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Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)
The 40s were suprisingly streetable with a bridgeport. Don't forget most tarted up 4 cyl back then had twin 45dcoe. The 40idf was made as a factory carb to fit 4 of them on an italian v8. A normal twin rotor can flow as much as a 4-6 cylinders in a piston engine. Being that webers were made for 1 barrel per piston cylinder, twin webers on a twin rotor didn't seem crazy.
The 48ida was a race spec carb that was really annoying to live with (I still have one of them too, also a factory fuel injected 12A turbo)
The 40idf was more advanced than the IDA, ie had a cold start up system, more idle control etc as it was designed to be factory fitted as I said.

I got my 40idfs 2nd hand from a VW setup, so was set up for a 1600cc piston engine, ie had small chokes (for those playing at home: no, not that choke on a normal carb that restricts the air and makes it idle higher when cold; I mean the size the throat drops down to get venturi effect). These webers have no choke as in a restricting butterfly flap.

The VW setup was 26mm chokes on the 40mm, 170 fuel jet and 220 air jet. I kept that setup for daily driver use and it gave me decent fuel economy (13-15l/100km) and low down torque (as much as you're going to get froma rotary - point is it compared favourably to stock carb or weber 48ida carb). When I wanted to run fast I could switch to 30mm chokes, 190-200 fuel and 200-210 air. I can't for the life of me remember if I changed emulsion tubes from street to strip as it's been 20 years. Though maybe I went from f8 (or f9) to f11. There's no tubes in those carbs and I haven't found them yet.

But anyway, beside cool looking old tech, the best thing about old rotors is fitting factory electronic ignition is easy, and there's heaps of EFI solutions for the old stuff.
To be honest I have probably screwed the carbs up as dumb young me went at them way back when. The most interesting thing about it is the manifold would look sweet with some type of aftermarket weber style throttle bodies and EFI.

E: If you want to talk about crazy carbs on a rotary, I had a mate try the predator carb - that's a rectangular box with rectangular butterflies that just dumps fuel in.
This forum shows off the predator carb in all it's glory
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1182733-predator-carburetor.html

Fo3 fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jan 4, 2016

BloodBag
Sep 20, 2008

WITNESS ME!



I had 40 IDFs on a porsche 914. I wouldn't visit that fresh hell on anybody. Syncing was a pain, every adjustment was a pain. I think they were jetted wrong for my application.

Commodore_64
Feb 16, 2011

love thy likpa




I think my favorite Weber development is the fact that there are now EFI throttle bodies that bolt right up in their place. The Spyder has been teasing me by mentioning some Webber intake manifolds for Corvairs at a buddies shop, some machining and welding required.

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011
The Red 93 Touring is GONE! The owners super happy to have it back. I went ahead and installed all the loose parts he had in the trunk just for fun. Looks like a completely different car.



Had to ID a fuel pump for the 94 MB. It's a supra TT pump.



Bought two new ratchets, my hands were tired of getting beat up using the non-soft grip handles.


While my friend was over the weekend it snowed, we decided to change his diff. This turned out to be a PITA. FC's require the subframe to be dropped.


With the Red FD gone, it's back onto the White 94. Getting ready to do the rear bushings.



Our truck has been acting up. First step is to change the fuel filter. The last time I can remember it being changed was over 180k ago... Needless to say, it runs much smoother. Next up are coil packs/plugs/air filter.





Great sunset tonight.

the spyder fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jan 11, 2016

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Isn't that the F-150 that ran low on oil and ran funny? :v:

Good to know it's still running decently.

dreesemonkey
May 14, 2008
Pillbug
So just how finnicking are FDs compared to other cars of the era or not. It seems overwhelming, but obviously it's a specialist car and you're the specialist who works on them so they're going to look like they're especially unreliable since you're only documenting working on stuff that needs fixed.

MiniFoo
Dec 25, 2006

METHAMPHETAMINE

dreesemonkey posted:

So just how finnicking are FDs compared to other cars of the era or not. It seems overwhelming, but obviously it's a specialist car and you're the specialist who works on them so they're going to look like they're especially unreliable since you're only documenting working on stuff that needs fixed.

BloodBag
Sep 20, 2008

WITNESS ME!




A whole host of engineers had to implement and sign off on that and at no point did enough of them stop and said 'Maybe we should do this differently'

Veeb0rg
Jul 24, 2001

THIS CONVERSATION IS NONPRODUCTIVE!

I had one of those ryobi screwguns, loved it. It randomly up and died one day. I think the battery pack shorted internally. I sorta miss it.

Commodore_64
Feb 16, 2011

love thy likpa





Also, everything connected by that rats nest can fail randomly and intermittently in some way with varying and difficult to pinpoint symptoms. Only slight hyperbole.

Rectal Placenta
Feb 25, 2011

BloodBag posted:

A whole host of engineers had to implement and sign off on that and at no point did enough of them stop and said 'Maybe we should do this differently'

There were probably earlier versions that were even worse! But then sales/marketing pushes the deadlines and it gets to the "gently caress it, good enough" stage.

Brigdh
Nov 23, 2007

That's not an oil leak. That's the automatic oil change and chassis protection feature.

BloodBag posted:

A whole host of engineers had to implement and sign off on that and at no point did enough of them stop and said 'Maybe we should do this differently'

While its horrendous today, it was rather groundbreaking at the time. Remember, this was designed in the late 80s. Also ^^^

torpedan
Jul 17, 2003
Lets make Uncle Ben proud

Rectal Placenta posted:

There were probably earlier versions that were even worse! But then sales/marketing pushes the deadlines and it gets to the "gently caress it, good enough" stage.

Basically this. Eventually you hit a hard deadline and you have to accept the inevitable. That or somebody still had a lot stock tied up in a company that sells vacuum line.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
That's why the first thing I would do is go to a single turbo. Gets rid of so much of that.

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011

some texas redneck posted:

Isn't that the F-150 that ran low on oil and ran funny? :v:

Good to know it's still running decently.

Yes, but it looks like I have at least one dead/dying coil pack- which are a complete PITA to change. I'm tempted to actually pay a buddy to do them just so I don't have to. Still, at 334k it's just amazing to me that it's running this well.

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011

dreesemonkey posted:

So just how finnicking are FDs compared to other cars of the era or not. It seems overwhelming, but obviously it's a specialist car and you're the specialist who works on them so they're going to look like they're especially unreliable since you're only documenting working on stuff that needs fixed.

There are more on the road around me running then parked broken in my drive way, which is a nice change. My cars have always been fairly reliable. I daily drove my black FD for 6 years with just minor maintenance. Most of these cars are tucked away in peoples garages, hardly driven. It makes little sense, as most claim they do it to preserve the control system/electrical/ect, but the long periods of storage just are plain bad for the rest of the car. A perfect example are three of the Red 93 touring's I've worked on, not a single one has more then 3000 miles on the new engines in over 2-5 years. If you ever buy one of these, just drive it. Enjoy it! Because honestly, there's no other point to owning one. Admiring ones beauty will only get you a fraction of the experience of driving one.

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011

Veeb0rg posted:

I had one of those ryobi screwguns, loved it. It randomly up and died one day. I think the battery pack shorted internally. I sorta miss it.

This is one of the 4v rechargeable packs and it's by far one of my favorite tools. I actually bought like 6 of them and gave them away when Home Depot was clearing them out. Gave them away as xmas gifts.

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011

jamal posted:

That's why the first thing I would do is go to a single turbo. Gets rid of so much of that.

I see a equal number of bad single turbo installs as I do vac/control system jobs. There are way to many people that half rear end the turbo installs "because it's still better then stock".

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

FDs are the biggest dick magnets in the world. I've never gotten more stares from dudes than when driving an FD...

Also I stare at every FD I see driving around.

Octopus Magic
Dec 19, 2003

I HATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU LIKE* AND I NEED TO BE SURE YOU ALL KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I POST

*unless it's a DSM in which case we cool ^_^
Isn't that the case with any "Big gun" GT cars though? Or just cars in general now.

If you want to get girls, ride a bike.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

Octopus Magic posted:

Isn't that the case with any "Big gun" GT cars though? Or just cars in general now.

If you want to get girls, ride a bike.

Cars in general, I think. That comment makes me miss my bike...

Does anyone else with multiple cars tell 'car guys' you have a boring shitbox to avoid talking cars? I adore having a car that lets me avoid 'car guys'

"What do you drive?"
"Ford Focus"
"The ST?"
"No."

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire

RIP Paul Walker posted:

FDs are the biggest dick magnets in the world. I've never gotten more stares from dudes than when driving an FD...

Also I stare at every FD I see driving around.

Guilty.

NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


RIP Paul Walker posted:

Cars in general, I think. That comment makes me miss my bike...

Does anyone else with multiple cars tell 'car guys' you have a boring shitbox to avoid talking cars? I adore having a car that lets me avoid 'car guys'

"What do you drive?"
"Ford Focus"
"The ST?"
"No."

As far as most people in the area know I only drive a very boring and slow VW TDI. Sadly now all the 'car guys' want to know if it's one of the cheaty ones or what my feelings on the issue are :fuckoff:

GentlemanofLeisure
Aug 27, 2008

RIP Paul Walker posted:

Cars in general, I think. That comment makes me miss my bike...

Does anyone else with multiple cars tell 'car guys' you have a boring shitbox to avoid talking cars? I adore having a car that lets me avoid 'car guys'

"What do you drive?"
"Ford Focus"
"The ST?"
"No."
It works with my cool car!

What do you drive?
A hatchback.
Oh...

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
A girl asked me what I drove at a house party in LA once. When I said a subaru she stopped talking to me.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Octopus Magic posted:

If you want to get girls, ride a bike.

I figured gay dudes would be more into the Lance Armstrong spandex look.

Unless you meant like BMX half pipe/dirt jumping or something.

jamal posted:

A girl asked me what I drove at a house party in LA once. When I said a subaru she stopped talking to me.

I thought BMW was always the answer for that :v:

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

leica posted:

I figured gay dudes would be more into the Lance Armstrong spandex look.

Girls loooooooove my Venge. I have no idea why.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




jamal posted:

A girl asked me what I drove at a house party in LA once. When I said a subaru she stopped talking to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ1bBeNK22s

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
Doug DeMuro proved that a dog is the most effective way to get positive attention from women.

In my experience it's pretty much true.

Octopus Magic
Dec 19, 2003

I HATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU LIKE* AND I NEED TO BE SURE YOU ALL KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I POST

*unless it's a DSM in which case we cool ^_^

leica posted:

I figured gay dudes would be more into the Lance Armstrong spandex look.

Unless you meant like BMX half pipe/dirt jumping or something.


You don't know many women, do you?

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Octopus Magic posted:

You don't know many women, do you?

None with bad taste apparently lol

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

Wrar posted:

Doug DeMuro proved that a dog is the most effective way to get positive attention from women.

In my experience it's pretty much true.

Yes...wish I had known this when I was younger. I literally had girls stop their cars on the middle of the road and get out to say hello to my puppy.

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.

ImplicitAssembler posted:

Yes...wish I had known this when I was younger. I literally had girls stop their cars on the middle of the road and get out to say hello to my puppy.

Yup, my dog hanging her head out of my jeep draws all kinds of female stares. I'm a true goony goon, sadly, and therefore have no idea how to capitalize on it.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

Veeb0rg posted:

I had one of those ryobi screwguns, loved it. It randomly up and died one day. I think the battery pack shorted internally. I sorta miss it.

I've had heaps of different ones in my past job, ryobi, makita, bosch. There's millions of screws I needed to take apart in fridges and aircons, and to me they were semi disposable since there's always a chance you'd lose on in a ceiling space, (or drop it down a cavity). So they needed to be cheap, plus have heaps of torque and hold a charge for a long time.
I don't like giving a recommendation for an aussie only tool on SA:AI usually, but I have to do it again. The 3.6v grey li-ion with green accents/buttons ozito screwdriver at bunnings for $20 is loving awesome. Better than the ryobi and the bosch ones I had.
Normally wouldn't mention aussie/bunnings gear here due to the audience, but I remember years ago having a chat with whitegoods repairers in the UK that recognized it by design under a different name there so once you get a look at it, you may find it/recognize it under a different brand name anywhere in the world.
There's a newer ozito screwdriver that's $30 and has red/orange accents and buttons; I know nothing about it though and it's $10 more, how can it be better anyway?
E: it comes with a charging base, not just a wall wart jack, maybe that's the only difference.
I had a ryobi impact hammer drill, it also shat one of the battery packs. Seems they are worse for batteries than the chinese cheapies are!
Mine was like this in colour:
http://www.ozito.com.au/c/56-handheld-power-tools/s/86-cordless-screwdrivers/p/237-36v-li-ion-screwdriver-kit-1

But also had torque settings like the new red/orange accent one
http://www.ozito.com.au/c/56-handheld-power-tools/s/86-cordless-screwdrivers/p/235-36v-li-ion-screwdriver-with-charging-base-1
3 year warranty is longer than ryobi give as well, and it's an "exchange at the counter, get a new one" type warranty.

Fo3 fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jan 13, 2016

Pomp and Circumcized
Dec 23, 2006

If there's one thing I love more than GruntKilla420, it's the Queen! Also bacon.
Not wanting to derail any further, but this Makita 10.8V combo is the loving poo poo for working on anything made in Japan in the 1990's. 10mm socket? gently caress yeah.



I've had my set since 2010, have beaten the poo poo out of both the driver and impact, and they just keep on going. Dewalt makes a nice equivalent as well, I think the impact is even stronger on theirs.

El Jebus
Jun 18, 2008

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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:

Not wanting to derail any further,

Too late!



I bought the 12v version and love the impacts. Smaller than the 18v systems but plenty of power to do most of the jobs I need them for.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

EightBit posted:

Yup, my dog hanging her head out of my jeep draws all kinds of female stares. I'm a true goony goon, sadly, and therefore have no idea how to capitalize on it.

Wear neon tights and a goofy helmet to seal the deal, dog + bike gear = they can't refuse

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011

ShittyPostmakerPro posted:

Not wanting to derail any further, but this Makita 10.8V combo is the loving poo poo for working on anything made in Japan in the 1990's. 10mm socket? gently caress yeah.



I've had my set since 2010, have beaten the poo poo out of both the driver and impact, and they just keep on going. Dewalt makes a nice equivalent as well, I think the impact is even stronger on theirs.

I bought a set of those for my last job and they were great. I almost want to buy another set if I ever come across a good deal. The Ryobi is great for trim/interior, but lacks the power to break a 10mm fasner. Totally makes up for it in the size/battery life though.

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Pomp and Circumcized
Dec 23, 2006

If there's one thing I love more than GruntKilla420, it's the Queen! Also bacon.
I've not seen that Makita set on sale for a while now. This Dewalt set feels even stronger. I managed to crack a 24mm (m16?) bolt that had been hand tightened with a 10" wrench, in just a few BAPs of that impact.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-dck211c2t-10-8v-1-3ah-li-ion-xr-cordless-drill-driver-impact-driver/12703 Sorry for the UK link

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