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Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

vyelkin posted:

For the record your sister in law's husband is your brother, so

Hookshot could have a husband who has a sister who is married to a dude, excuse the cisheteronormative presumptions.

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colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

vyelkin posted:

For the record your sister in law's husband is your brother, so

not if it's her husband's sister's husband.

efb

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

HookShot posted:

My brother-in-law? (my sister-in-law's husband) is a huge Conservative supporter federally and doesn't have anything remotely resembling a socialist bone in his body and he would rather kill himself than vote NDP ended up voting green because he hated Clark's Libs and even he could see the BC Cons were total idiots.

We were laughing about it in a sad way, he's like "I never thought I'd get to the point where I would vote for a party that thinks wifi is giving me brain cancer thanks BC"

I'm an American who finds Canadian politics very interesting. Prior to reading this thread and others, I would have guessed that BC would be like the Pacific northwest in America. Why is it a laughingstock here?

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

One MILLION dollars :doctorevil:

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009


1 million is a fart in a hurricane, but good job Kev. :sadpeanut:

Also, Hook-"I get paid in USD"-shot should probably change her name to 'Mrs. Moneybags' at thus point.

Wistful of Dollars fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jan 12, 2016

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Jack of Hearts posted:

I'm an American who finds Canadian politics very interesting. Prior to reading this thread and others, I would have guessed that BC would be like the Pacific northwest in America. Why is it a laughingstock here?


lol that you think Canadian politics are interesting.

Go read the wikipedia entries on BC ndp, Mike Harcourt, moe sihota, Glenn Clark, ujjal dosanjh.

For more comedy, bill vanderzalm.

Also the best is reading up on the HST, which most dumb sjw assholes in here opposed.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-press-liberal-government-to-justify-saudi-arms-deal/article28125150/

quote:

“Canadians don’t want these weaponized vehicles to be used against innocents in Saudi Arabia,” said Mr. Clement, now foreign-affairs critic for the Conservatives in opposition. “We need to know, given this rapidly changing environment in the Middle East, that the weapons are going to be used for the purposes that are intended and that there has been sufficiently rigorous assessment of Saudi Arabia.”

quote:

Mr. Clement acknowledges that the Conservatives are asking for information they refused to release while in office under Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
But he says the new leadership of the Conservative Party feels differently.
“This is a [Liberal] government that has promised more transparency. I think that is consistent with the times in which we live,” Mr. Clement said.
“So don’t take the signal from the last government. If you want to be true to your principles and values, which the Conservative Party under new leadership shares, let’s move forward.”

loving :laffo:

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

lol this is a faster turnaround than the Trudeau pirouette.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

vyelkin posted:

For the record your sister in law's husband is your brother, so

Ikantski posted:

Hookshot could have a husband who has a sister who is married to a dude, excuse the cisheteronormative presumptions.


This, exactly.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

El Scotch posted:

1 million is a fart in a hurricane, but good job Kev. :sadpeanut:

Also, Hook-"I get paid in USD"-shot should probably change her name to 'Mrs. Moneybags' at thus point.
I have to go to the bank today to open my Scrooge McDuck vault.

But seriously this is so much better than in 2008-9-ish when I watched the AUD (where I lived at the time) go from $0.65 to parity.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

Cultural Imperial posted:

lol that you think Canadian politics are interesting.

Go read the wikipedia entries on BC ndp, Mike Harcourt, moe sihota, Glenn Clark, ujjal dosanjh.

For more comedy, bill vanderzalm.

Also the best is reading up on the HST, which most dumb sjw assholes in here opposed.

Don't forget Christy Clark!

BC itself is only kind of a laughing stock, it's politicians on the other hand are like the worst people in the country.

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

vyelkin posted:

lol this is a faster turnaround than the Trudeau pirouette.

Or the Trudeau Stairs Gag!

edit: politician falls straight into the basement of legitimate criticisms

Kafka Esq. fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jan 12, 2016

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Ontario political financing: still really gross.

quote:

So you want to be a provincial cabinet minister?

Beyond the power and the glory, the money’s what counts.

You won’t get rich as a minister of the Crown. But you’ll be reeling in big money — tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars — for Ontario’s Liberal Party, trying to meet your assigned fundraising target.

That’s the price of admission to Kathleen Wynne’s inner circle — a place where money talks, and is a key part of your unofficial job description. Moonlighting ministers who fail to meet their annual targets risk the wrath of a party and a premier who keep defending our indefensible fundraising laws.

Just ask Economic Development Minister Brad Duguid, who was in a panic last month after coming up short on his quasi-quota. Under pressure to cough up the requisite stash of cash, Duguid also relied on his political staff to hit up potential donors in time for his deadline.

It’s a lesson for all Liberals in high profile portfolios — economic development, health, energy, finance, transportation — that if you don’t troll for funds, you’ll lose favour with the premier.

Liberal ministers who spend their time targeting corporations and unions are the dirty little secret of Queen’s Park. Ontario remains the Wild West of Canadian fundraising, now that Alberta has cleaned up its own election financing embarrassments.

Shortly after winning power last spring, NDP Premier Rachel Notley banned all such donations with the “Act to Renew Democracy in Alberta.” She was following the lead of two former federal prime ministers — Jean Chrétien, who first imposed limits on corporate and union contributions, and then Stephen Harper, who eliminated them entirely.

Ontario, however, is still living — and fundraising — in the past. Wynne makes no apologies for perpetuating the practice, describing corporate donations — unlawful elsewhere — as an important right for these entities in the democratic process.

Consider the conflicting mandates of Health Minister Eric Hoskins. By day, he is the public steward of a $52-billion budget for hospitals, doctors, and long-term care; by night, he is a sterling fundraiser who hobnobs with well-to-do donors seeking a quiet word with him about their pet projects.

As described in a column last February, he was the big draw for a $1,000-a-ticket “exclusive event” co-hosted by his Liberal party and the Ontario Long Term Care Association promising “quality time with Minister Hoskins” and special “face time.” The OLTCA promised its members a chance to “discuss the sector with the Minister, up close and personal.”

The year before, as economic development minister, Hoskins was the “special guest” at a $1,000-per-ticket fundraiser hosted by then-environment minister Jim Bradley, at a facility owned by Labatt Breweries. As the Star reported Saturday, the Ontario Tire Stewardship — a private agency designated by the government to recycle tires — made a $1,000 donation to the Hoskins-Bradley event. The tire agency also spent $3,200 at a 2015 summer golf classic with the premier and her caucus, in order to buttonhole Wynne about their concerns.

That’s small beer compared to the $100,000 private dinner hosted by Bruce Power in 2013 for Wynne and Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli, attended by major union and corporate players, where they could talk up plans — announced with Chiarelli last month — to refurbish Bruce’s nuclear reactors in a multi-billion-dollar deal.

Recall that the Beer Store, and the three big foreign-owned brewers that control it, donated more than $385,000 to the three main parties in 2013 and 2014. The UFCW, whose members include the Beer Store’s unionized workers, gave $140,000 to the Liberals and opposition New Democrats (the NDP also pocketed $500 from the tire stewardship agency).

Current laws allow an Ontario corporation or union to contribute up to $9,975 a year, plus $6,650 to riding associations and candidates — more in election years. Sister companies, and executives’ family members, often boost the total donations far beyond those limits.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

colonel_korn posted:

not if it's her husband's sister's husband.

efb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ymDKhYBgTM

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Rachel :swoon:

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008


Unf :kimchi:

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Ontario political financing: still really gross.

Wynne makes no apologies for perpetuating the practice, describing corporate donations — unlawful elsewhere — as an important right for these entities in the democratic process.


It's stuff like this that makes me think Ikantski is a model of reason, restraint, and understatement.

Burn this village down.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
Like buzzards circling a corpse.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Hexigrammus posted:

It's stuff like this that makes me think Ikantski is a model of reason, restraint, and understatement.

Burn this village down.

“I have always held the position, and I have said this many, many times publicly, that I believe that individuals and organizations should have the ability to take part in the democratic process,” Wynne said. “Some people and organizations can give money, some people and organizations can give time.”

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
Liberals gonna Lib basically

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
I'm not sure I understand her position, since when were organizations given the opportunity to vote? If you can't vote, you shouldn't be able to financially materially contribute to a political campaign.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
They've always been able to vote in the only way that matters... with their money.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Hexigrammus posted:

It's stuff like this that makes me think Ikantski is a model of reason, restraint, and understatement.

Burn this village down.

I'm trying to lay off the Wynne but she makes it so hard.

quote:

TORONTO - The man the Liberal government brought in to fix problems with Toronto's Pan Am Games committee will head the agency overseeing the Ontario Retirement Pension Plan.

Saad Rafi, who had also been a deputy minister in several government departments, will be paid $525,000 as CEO of the ORPP Administration Corporation, and will be eligible for an annual performance bonus of up to 25 per cent.

The government says Rafi will focus on building the administration corporation and delivering on its mandate to implement the provincial pension plan, with deductions from paycheques and contributions by employers scheduled to begin next January.

However, it could not point to any pension plan experience in Rafi's resume, which also includes time as an equity partner with Deloitte, a professional services firm.

Finance Ministry spokesman Scott Blodgett says pension and investment knowledge is important for the organization once it's established, but adds there are distinct skills needed for the start-up phase which the board knows that Rafi can provide.

Rafi will be responsible for developing the corporation's organizational structure and overseeing the set-up of the infrastructure and technology needed to administer the new pension plan.

Albino Squirrel
Apr 25, 2003

Miosis more like meiosis
God, she gives the best mic drop quotes.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Jack of Hearts posted:

I'm an American who finds Canadian politics very interesting. Prior to reading this thread and others, I would have guessed that BC would be like the Pacific northwest in America. Why is it a laughingstock here?

https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/686980065075294208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The largest city in the West has a serious housing crisis. The province is refusing to build affordable homes because that would damage property values which is main reason for the crisis. Basically gently caress the working poor, there are rich mainlanders that could be negatively affected.

This is probably the second least evil premiere this province has had in 40 years.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Yeah, Wynne is starting to become pretty goddamn indefensible when it comes to cronyism.

Maybe in 3 years the ONDP and OPC won't have collective aneuryms and try to out-retard each other.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

MA-Horus posted:

Yeah, Wynne is starting to become pretty goddamn indefensible when it comes to cronyism.

Maybe in 3 years the ONDP and OPC won't have collective aneuryms and try to out-retard each other.

starting?

she wasn't some nobody who came in from the cold when dalton left.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
Y'all need to cool it on the Wynne hate. She's a progressive trail blazer who saved us from being squished under Hudak's jackboots. She's literally saving the planet so of course she will need a little help from her friends.

Speaking of people who deserve a pepper spray ... http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/sports

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Ikantski posted:

Y'all need to cool it on the Wynne hate. She's a progressive trail blazer who saved us from being squished under Hudak's jackboots. She's literally saving the planet so of course she will need a little help from her friends.

So hypothetically speaking, she's less bad than the alternatives?

Not that Wynne is good, but everyone else who ran was worse in an immediately identifiable way. What do we do here, in situations where we're choosing the least bad option as a matter of course?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Canadian Provincial Politics: There's nothing more and it's all worst.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




infernal machines posted:

So hypothetically speaking, she's less bad than the alternatives?

Not that Wynne is good, but everyone else who ran was worse in an immediately identifiable way. What do we do here, in situations where we're choosing the least bad option as a matter of course?

Why clearly you vote for the party that will gently caress over everyone except ikantski instead of one that will fucker over everyone including him.

Hudak was worse in every way and Im glad him and his GOP platform got told to gently caress right off into oblivion.

Lumius
Nov 24, 2004
Superior Awesome Sucks
There is an uninspiring 3rd party that may be less brazen about cronyism , at least in their first term.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

everyone else who ran was worse in an immediately identifiable way.

The NDP would have been better but it doesn't matter because the $8m in union OLP advertising made it a race between Hudak and Wynne. Yes, a Hudak minority would have been better. The province is financially hosed, we're constantly fighting with nurses, doctors, teachers and jail guards, we're about to become the highest debt per capita province in Canada. The "most progressive budget" in our history included selling off our biggest asset. Wynne didn't bring it up a lot during the campaign but it was in there.

I'd prefer Hudak who was honest about it and was only going to sell 49% rather than Wynne selling off 60% but max 10% can be held by any entity. What kind of fairlyland school trustee bullshit is that? The 60% share holders can just talk to each other and agree to do what they want. It's retarded. Hudak was going to trim the public sector via attrition and spare nurses. Wynne is trimming the public sector via attrition and sparing teachers. We have almost nothing to show for 10s of billions in green energy subsidies and tripled electricity rates.

Hudak and Horwath both ran horrible campaigns but when you look at the policy they've stood up for, I think they would have been better leaders. Look at this ridiculous bullshit.

quote:

The province offered Ubisoft $264-million in subsidies over 10 years. In return, the company promised to invest $500-million of its own money to open a new gaming studio in Toronto, creating roughly 800 jobs.

It remains the single largest business grant Ontario has made in the past decade, with an eye-popping price tag of $330,000 per job.

That's a stupid way of promoting business in the province. Instead of improving the general conditions for business owners or classes of business, the politicians pick and choose profitable firms like Cisco and Ubisoft to receive hundreds of millions in subsidies. Hudak pretty much killed a $700m handout to Chrysler with all his bitching and moaning. Chrysler is still here and now they're complaining about high and rapidly rising hydro rates.

I don't know if Horwath has ever accomplished anything. She seems to be on a widely unreported warpath since the election. They've given up trying to nudge the OLP toward more progressive things and are just calling them on bullshit now. I'm sure she's done something progressive for you guys to have elected her leader so I will just blindly say she would be a better progressive leader than the privatizing, austerity hungry Wynne.

I'd take a Hudak, Horwath or Brown in a heartbeat over a Wynne majority. Frig, I'd personally roll out the red carpet for McGuinty at this point, never thought I'd say that.

Furnaceface posted:

Why clearly you vote for the party that will gently caress over everyone except ikantski instead of one that will fucker over everyone including him.

Hudak was worse in every way and Im glad him and his GOP platform got told to gently caress right off into oblivion.

Yup, my stupid sister can't find a doctor job in Ontario cause no doctors want to work here so I might have to move to stupid Nelson, BC. Which isn't that bad because I enjoy snowboarding, hunting and fishing and that should offset the dirty hippy factor. Nothing is final yet so don't tell anyone but my days of Wynne complaining might be coming to an end.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Ikantski posted:

I don't know if Horwath has ever accomplished anything. She seems to be on a widely unreported warpath since the election. They've given up trying to nudge the OLP toward more progressive things and are just calling them on bullshit now. I'm sure she's done something progressive for you guys to have elected her leader so I will just blindly say she would be a better progressive leader than the privatizing, austerity hungry Wynne.

But her campaign was so uninspiring. It just didn't inspire voters. Nobody wants an uninspiring leader!

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

THC posted:

But her campaign was so uninspiring. It just didn't inspire voters. Nobody wants an uninspiring leader!

it wasn't just uninspiring it was actively poo poo.

I don't think you can blame voters for questioning if a party that can't even run a campaign for an election they forced is capable of running a government.

anyway I don't think Wynne is worse than McGuinty, nor do I think there is something inherent to Wynne's character that makes all this stuff her fault. The OLP is a broken institution and the person in charge is irrelevant.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

Ikantski posted:

The NDP would have been better but it doesn't matter because the $8m in union OLP advertising made it a race between Hudak and Wynne. Yes, a Hudak minority would have been better. The province is financially hosed, we're constantly fighting with nurses, doctors, teachers and jail guards, we're about to become the highest debt per capita province in Canada. The "most progressive budget" in our history included selling off our biggest asset. Wynne didn't bring it up a lot during the campaign but it was in there.

I'd prefer Hudak who was honest about it and was only going to sell 49% rather than Wynne selling off 60% but max 10% can be held by any entity. What kind of fairlyland school trustee bullshit is that? The 60% share holders can just talk to each other and agree to do what they want. It's retarded. Hudak was going to trim the public sector via attrition and spare nurses. Wynne is trimming the public sector via attrition and sparing teachers. We have almost nothing to show for 10s of billions in green energy subsidies and tripled electricity rates.

Hudak and Horwath both ran horrible campaigns but when you look at the policy they've stood up for, I think they would have been better leaders. Look at this ridiculous bullshit.


That's a stupid way of promoting business in the province. Instead of improving the general conditions for business owners or classes of business, the politicians pick and choose profitable firms like Cisco and Ubisoft to receive hundreds of millions in subsidies. Hudak pretty much killed a $700m handout to Chrysler with all his bitching and moaning. Chrysler is still here and now they're complaining about high and rapidly rising hydro rates.

I don't know if Horwath has ever accomplished anything. She seems to be on a widely unreported warpath since the election. They've given up trying to nudge the OLP toward more progressive things and are just calling them on bullshit now. I'm sure she's done something progressive for you guys to have elected her leader so I will just blindly say she would be a better progressive leader than the privatizing, austerity hungry Wynne.

I'd take a Hudak, Horwath or Brown in a heartbeat over a Wynne majority. Frig, I'd personally roll out the red carpet for McGuinty at this point, never thought I'd say that.


Yup, my stupid sister can't find a doctor job in Ontario cause no doctors want to work here so I might have to move to stupid Nelson, BC. Which isn't that bad because I enjoy snowboarding, hunting and fishing and that should offset the dirty hippy factor. Nothing is final yet so don't tell anyone but my days of Wynne complaining might be coming to an end.
You have to move to where your sister can get a job? Are you married to her?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
lol hunting are you some obese retard

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




please don't ruin Nelson with your incessant whining

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

Cultural Imperial posted:

lol hunting are you some obese retard

When I was in Alberta I saw some hunters getting ready to start their day on the side of highway 40 one morning at like 7am so I sat on my horn for the next kilometer or so.

Saw them flipping me off in the rearview.

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Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




cowofwar posted:

You have to move to where your sister can get a job? Are you married to her?

Hes not from that far north in Ontario. Personally I like his "Hudak was up front about being a corrupt shithead that wanted to privatize everything while Wynne lying about it makes it so much worse despite the same end results!" approach. Small Business Owner LogicTM.

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