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Harrow posted:I think my only real issue with Dark Arisen is the way Bitterblack Gear works. The only thing the system really needs is a better way to organize the cursed items. I don't think there is an easy way to specifically purify the cursed items you want, and mark the things you want to give away. Yeah, you're going to need to run the last 1/3rd of the dungeon a few times, but that is contrast to visiting one of the rooms in the Everfall, using godsbane until you get what you want, then never entering that room again. Geomancing posted:
Vargs posted:I am glad that this game didn't end up featuring an elven sanctuary, or any elves at all.
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Heard a lot of good things this about this game and pick it up at GMG for 25% off, can't decide whether to go Mystic Knight or Magick Archer now, both look so good  I hear Magick Archer has a tough time leveling or something though? Does anybody want to clarify that?This new Arisen would also like to be in the Steam group e: Also hoping Capcom doesn't make this a terrible port because DD looks really fun 
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Jan 13, 2016 06:29
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what code are people using for 25% off at GMG? I only see one for 20%.
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Jan 13, 2016 06:35
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Reason posted:what code are people using for 25% off at GMG? I only see one for 20%. 25PERC-2016GM-WTHGMG http://www.greenmangaming.com/most-anticipated-2016/
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Mr. Funktastic posted:Heard a lot of good things this about this game and pick it up at GMG for 25% off, can't decide whether to go Mystic Knight or Magick Archer now, both look so good Magick Archer isn't all that great during the base game. The damage feels pretty anemic. Once you start digging into the Bitterblack Isle stuff later on though, MA becomes the strongest class in DD. Most notably, they have a skill that repeatedly ricochets off nearby walls which is insanely powerful in BBI's tight quarters. Also be aware that all of your bow skills as a Magick Archer automatically target and home in on enemies. Whether this is a good thing or a lame thing is up to you. I like it when I'm feeling lazy. Vargs fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Jan 13, 2016 06:42
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a good plan for magick archer is to play mostly magic-focused regular classes through the main game (i personally always do bitterblack in ng+ because by then you're a good level for it and i like having the ur-dragon in easy reach for wakestone farming) and then after you get to gran soren in ng+ switch to MA.
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Jan 13, 2016 06:45
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Vargs posted:Magick Archer isn't all that great during the base game. The damage feels pretty anemic. Once you start digging into the endgame Bitterblack Isle stuff though, MA becomes the strongest class in the game. Most notably, they have a skill that repeatedly ricochets off nearby walls which is insanely powerful in BBI's tight quarters. Also be aware that all of your bow skills as a Magick Archer automatically target and home in on enemies. Whether this is a good thing or a lame thing is up to you. I like it when I'm feeling lazy. Ah, that's good to know. I'm going to play this on a 360 controller and I'm garbage at manually aiming with a joystick so I think homing arrows are right up my alley. I'll probably decide to switch back and forth between that and MK, so I'll likely decide which suits my playstyle more then.
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Having never played this game before, what is the quickest route to becoming a paladin-like character? Thank you in advance. Very truly yours, Node
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Jan 13, 2016 06:52
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Captain Novolin posted:a good plan for magick archer is to play mostly magic-focused regular classes through the main game (i personally always do bitterblack in ng+ because by then you're a good level for it and i like having the ur-dragon in easy reach for wakestone farming) and then after you get to gran soren in ng+ switch to MA. continuous min-max sidenote: this is not necessary. You can play from level 10 onwards as a MA and your life won't suck [maybe hard if your gear isn't good but not that big a deal]. You should probably dip into another class here and there for augments, but thats recommended because everything is fun!
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Jan 13, 2016 06:52
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Like honestly this thread makes me want to rage because there's no need to play anything you don't want to play. You might have to chow down on an extra periapt to kill a boss in super duper hard mode ten seconds slower but ffs.
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Node posted:Having never played this game before, what is the quickest route to becoming a paladin-like character? Thank you in advance. Be mystic knight
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Mr. Funktastic posted:Ah, that's good to know. I'm going to play this on a 360 controller and I'm garbage at manually aiming with a joystick so I think homing arrows are right up my alley. I'll probably decide to switch back and forth between that and MK, so I'll likely decide which suits my playstyle more then. Don't worry about aiming with a MA. That is all.
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On min-maxing: min-max your fun by trying every class, and playing the one(s) you enjoy a lot on that note I can't decide for poo poo what class I want to be most, so I'll probably be switching every drat time I visit Gran Soren
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Harrow posted:When it comes to Bitterblack Gear items, you don't really have to worry about that until you've progressed into Bitterblack Isle for a bit. But as I remember, I had to do a pretty hefty amount of savescumming and RNG manipulation to get about half of what I wanted before I got bored with the PS3 version. I'm sure there was a more efficient way to do it than I was doing it, but basically, if you want a full set of any specific Bitterblack armor, be ready to either play for hours and hours or just savescum a bunch. Do the chests/whatever drops items respawn over time? Because this sounds like a horrible way to do gearing if not. 
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Archonex posted:Do the chests/whatever drops items respawn over time? Because this sounds like a horrible way to do gearing if not. You don't have to worry about that. The chests respawn indefinitely, every 3 in-game days, which can be readily advanced at a bed. People are just typically frustrated by not getting what they want from RNG. It is a plenty legitimate frustration, but the game doesn't really bar you from anything. The only real exception I think worth mentioning is one potential romantic interest, but that fits pretty nicely into the NG+ category of things you might want to try differently on a replay, which progress extremely smoothly because of the way the fast travel mechanics work.
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For those interested in ducking into BBI early to grab the +50% Discipline ring, I dug up my guide in the old thread on how to get to it. e: poo poo, some of the map links are thumbnails now... gonna have to update that e2: updated guide: Starting from Bitterblack Isle, head to Garden of Ignominy, then Duskmoon Tower. Go downstairs and to the east into the Ward of Regret and make your way to Midnight Helix. This is the hardest part, IMO - you've got to make it up to the top of the tower while dodging Gargoyles and fireballs. I seemed to get lucky and the Gargoyles didn't bother me except when I was on the side platforms, but keep an eye out. At the top is the Void Key. Go back to Duskmoon Tower, and the north door downstairs can now be opened w/the key. This leads to Vault of Defiled Truth. Sprint through there to the Gutter of Misery, then to Warrior's Respite. In there you'll find the Moonbeam Gem, which you need for the door to the ring's chest. Grab it, head back to Duskmoon Tower, head downstairs yet again, and the door you want to open is this one. Magus42 fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Kiggles posted:You don't have to worry about that. The chests respawn indefinitely, every 3 in-game days, which can be readily advanced at a bed. People are just typically frustrated by not getting what they want from RNG. It is a plenty legitimate frustration, but the game doesn't really bar you from anything. The only real exception I think worth mentioning is one potential romantic interest, but that fits pretty nicely into the NG+ category of things you might want to try differently on a replay, which progress extremely smoothly because of the way the fast travel mechanics work. This is entirely awesome then. The only way I could see this game being my thing more is if it had randomized dungeons. Also someone should shoot me an invite to this steam group for pawns when they get a chance. Name's the same as my forum name.
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Archonex posted:This is entirely awesome then. The only way I could see this game being my thing more is if it had randomized dungeons. Otherwise, reign your expectations. I can't quite emphasize this enough, and I hate being an apologist, but for as much as a lot of REALLY love this game, it can take a good long while before it somehow grabs you. There isn't a uniform "gotcha" moment. Some people were hooked in the first few minutes of gameplay when the hoisted an NPC town person over their shoulder, and then threw them off a cliff. Others may have had their moment when using the same mechanic, but instead utilized it to literally drag their over ambitious pawn/escort out of a dangerous situation - something highly situational. Others still (me) may not have been captivated because the classes can take a while to ramp up and fill into their niche; I was grabbed when I saw how different all of the classes actually are, and got to see what sort of fantasy archetypes they were meant to fill, and how BADASS they all felt as those archetypes. There could be any other reasons, and it may be a combination of little things that take time to pile up before you're finally "wowed" by them as a whole. This is the sort of game that generally grows on you, so even if you DO immediately like it, it may still be 30-40 hours down the line there is something waiting to really surprise you and won't let go. Kiggles fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Kiggles posted:There isn't a uniform "gotcha" moment. Some people were hooked in the first few minutes of gameplay when the hoisted an NPC town person over their shoulder, and then threw them off a cliff. Others may have had their moment when using the same mechanic, but instead utilized it to literally drag their over ambitious pawn/escort out of a dangerous situation - something highly situational. Others still (me) may not have been captivated because the classes can take a while to ramp up and fill into their niche; I was grabbed when I saw how different all of the classes actually are, and got to see what sort of fantasy archetypes they were meant to fill, and how BADASS they all felt as those archetypes. I know exactly what you mean. The game was fun from the beginning, but it has a certain weirdness to it that can be off putting at first. But when I had to fight a Chimera in the middle of a forest at night, desperately hanging onto its back and really over my head I knew this game was for me. I really don't know why other games haven't stolen the climbing on enemies mechanic, its probably my single most favorite bit in the game. Also can I get an invite to the Steam group http://steamcommunity.com/id/Hammerite/
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I look forward to playing more of this then I was able to on the PS, http://steamcommunity.com/id/TrevorGood/ group me please!
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The weirdness is a large part of the draw of the game for me personally. It's hard to explain exactly why, I just find it charming. It's why I don't go overboard with ludicrous character designs because it breaks the spell. I'm definitely not turning off the pawn chatter, that's a large part of it. Although I'm glad there is the option, that means I'm free to steer my main pawn towards being more talkative and not cheese any prospective hirers off.
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I had that moment watching a friend play. He picked up a goblin and threw it over a cliff and one of the goblin's goblin friends came over, picked him up, and threw him over the side after him. 
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The game seems basically Skyrim Meets Dark Souls, but accidentally being Saints Row Fantasy Edition.
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Tae posted:The game seems basically Skyrim Meets Dark Souls, but accidentally being Saints Row Fantasy Edition. Someone needs to make a Johnny Gat pawn immediately
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Fish Fry Andy posted:The worst technical issue is that I'm getting occasional popping sounds in the audio every couple of hours, which may have been a problem with the console releases too. The audio overall is super quiet as well. I have to max out my computer's volume, and I normally have it set to 10 instead of 100. Please can we not talk about copies we've pirated. I know recent PC releases have been a bit on the poor quality side, but actively speaking about piracy is still a no. Thank you.
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Am I gonna gimp myself by taking my sweet rear end time as new player and not getting to this Ur-Dragon for a few months? I also love that so many people are saying to try all the classes on the one character and not to min-max, I would be happy if every RPG had this mechanic.
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I laughed so loving hard when that happened to me. I had no idea it would do that.
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hampig posted:Am I gonna gimp myself by taking my sweet rear end time as new player and not getting to this Ur-Dragon for a few months? There's nothing required about that boss. If you get in a kill, you get some unique gear and probably an achievement. If not, you're not losing anything significant. Also it took a long time for the console version to get hard enough to require specific builds to get credit. Take your time.
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Would like an invite to the goon group for pawn shenanigans. Looking forward to the brave new world of more than 30fps, especially after playing as a MK on the PS3.
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hampig posted:Am I gonna gimp myself by taking my sweet rear end time as new player and not getting to this Ur-Dragon for a few months? The online ur dragons gear isn't THAT much better than stuff you'd get elsewhere, and you can get the achievement for beating it offline, so you'll be fine. In a few months he'll be harder, but grace periods should still be pretty often and doable for most classes.
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Literally all roads lead to Gran Soren. Add me arisen: http://steamcommunity.com/id/faindizzle/
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No they hold the advantage I've been drenched Soaked to the bone Careful you're not soaked in water It bears the head of a cock
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hampig posted:Am I gonna gimp myself by taking my sweet rear end time as new player and not getting to this Ur-Dragon for a few months? Now that Bitterblack Isle is in the game, online Ur-Dragon isn't a big deal at all. Bitterblack weapons and armor are better than what you'll get from Ur-Dragon, so don't worry about it at all. Take your time and enjoy yourself. And yeah, your best bet really is to just play the classes you want to play when you want to play them. Again, with Bitterblack weapons and armor, your base stats are... I mean, not entirely meaningless, but much less important than they seem. Strength and Magick are additive--that is, if you have 300 Strength and equip a weapon with 1000 Strength, it's 1300 Strength total. So, when you're thinking about whether it's worth it to min-max so you have 700 Strength instead of 500 Strength at max level, remember that there are swords with over 1800 Strength in the game. It's really not that big of a deal at all. I will say that hardcore min-maxing can let you take on very difficult things earlier by virtue of being able to get over their damage resistance sooner--in other words, effective leveling can save you from a little level grinding later on, or make you very slightly less dependent on good equipment. But if you're doing Bitterblack Isle you're probably going to exceed level 100 anyway, and by that point, even staying in one class with lovely stat growth for the whole game won't hold you back at all.
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Archonex posted:Do the chests/whatever drops items respawn over time? Because this sounds like a horrible way to do gearing if not. Yes, chests respawn, and so do Bitterblack Isle bosses, I'm pretty sure on the same timer. And you can savescum in front of a chest--its contents are determined when you open it, so you can open it, then reload if you don't like what you get, and so on. It also pays to wait until you have several pieces of Bitterblack Weapon/Armor/Gear to purify before you go purify, because the order in which you purify them can affect what you get by moving your position on the RNG table around. So you can purify them all and, if you don't like what you got, reload and do it in a different order, and get something different. There are guides online for determining where you are on the RNG table, too. Quick caveat: this really is only going to be a problem if you're insistent on getting full sets of Bitterblack Isle armor. Weapons aren't so bad.
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I'm confused, is the Isle not post-game? When would you recommend tackling that place?
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Tae posted:I'm confused, is the Isle not post-game? When would you recommend tackling that place? It's available from the moment you reach the encampment, but more difficult than the content found in the base game.
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Tae posted:I'm confused, is the Isle not post-game? When would you recommend tackling that place? Bitterblack Isle is in a weird place. The early parts of it are easy enough that you can handle them pretty early on in the main game, but by about halfway through you're in endgame and harder difficulty territory. You can go there very soon after you start the game (as soon as you get your main pawn), so a lot of people finish the main game then do a New Game + and go straight to Bitterblack. It's also difficult to define what endgame and post-game mean in Dragon's Dogma, but to elaborate any further would be something of a spoiler. I guess I can say this: by the time you feel like you're in the endgame, you're probably strong enough to go to Bitterblack Isle. Harrow fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Harrow posted:It's also difficult to define what endgame and post-game mean in Dragon's Dogma, but to elaborate any further would be something of a spoiler. This is still one of the things that made me love the game so much. A spoiler without spoiling anything directly for those curious: Game is generic fantasy for 95% of the game, the last 5% is neon genesis evangelion
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Evil Canadian posted:This is still one of the things that made me love the game so much. Yep, exactly. (Much bigger spoiler) I was enjoying the game up to the fight with Grigori, and then feel deeply in love during and after that fight. Goddamn Grigori is a good antagonist.
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For people worried about respawning chests and poo poo in bbi, everything in bbi respawns immediately after you clear it so you can do it again iirc.
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