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ImpAtom posted:My number one problem with Elliot is that I can never remember his name and spent the entire game calling him Ron Weasley. it's always elliot
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Elliot is a sweet and gentle soul who has done nothing to warrant all this abuse
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Really Pants posted:Elliot is a sweet and gentle soul who has done nothing to warrant all this abuse He abandoned Rean and Emma when they needed him most! How else will they stop Lord Voldemort?!
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Elliot is actually super good and is probably my favorite party member? Emma having slightly better EP and better ATS doesn't really matter that much when Elliot has so much more defensive utility (regen is incredible and the def buff affects him as well unlike Emma's equivalent, holy song is really really good) and his sleep craft owns bones, being a set M-size circle so you can generally hit everything with it. Canon is a pretty bad quartz, but his healing utility comes from crafts rather than arts so you can easily swap it out for something like Criminal or Aries. I would put Elliot and Emma on basically the same level, it's just a matter of whether you want to have a more defensive or offensive caster. It's Alisa I have a hard time using, because she's in the awkward position of having physical attack crafts and horribly lovely physical attack, so she's really only good for casting (which Elliot and Emma do better) and being a CP battery. Molten Rain just does embarrassingly bad damage even compared to Elliot and Emma's offensive crafts. She's a really good CP battery, but I find myself wanting to use Jusis or Machias rather than her if I want a supporter. In perfect honesty none of them are particularly great, and given the choice my party usually consists of Rean, Laura, Fie, [Insert random other person here]. I just personally find Eliot the worst of the three, with Resounding Beat as the ONLY redeeming feature. but that may ultimately be down to playstyle as well. Regarding Alisa's physical damage, it's pretty sad but it is an S-Rank, so it's pretty good for consistently activating link attacks against relevant enemies, as opposed to the staves, which you should never be relying on to do so. Incidentally, Fie is almost always leader, since her attack is both ranged and triple advantages virtually anything. As for Resounding Beat, does it even particularly help late game? I'm generally having no issues with normal monsters or most boss attacks, but typically finding that when they start throwing out S-Crafts they're generally overkilling even full-health members by a decent margin that I'm not sure the +25% def boost would stop, at least on Hard. On a slightly different note, is there EVER a time where one would want to use Wild Card? Sure it's only 5 CP, but it still takes a turn in return for an utterly random effect, on a completely random target at that, you have no control over. Other than just because it amused you. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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The nice thing about Wild Card is that it's always something helpful, although it doesn't always go to the best target.ImpAtom posted:He abandoned Rean and Emma when they needed him most! How else will they stop Lord Voldemort?! He'll kick them around for a little while, and then they'll stumble over some deus-ex-machina bullshit that Dumbledore and the whole rest of the wizarding world knew all about but never breathed a word to them. Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Jan 13, 2016 23:28
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Lord Koth posted:In perfect honesty none of them are particularly great, and given the choice my party usually consists of Rean, Laura, Fie, [Insert random other person here]. I just personally find Eliot the worst of the three, with Resounding Beat as the ONLY redeeming feature. but that may ultimately be down to playstyle as well. Regarding Alisa's physical damage, it's pretty sad but it is an S-Rank, so it's pretty good for consistently activating link attacks against relevant enemies, as opposed to the staves, which you should never be relying on to do so. Incidentally, Fie is almost always leader, since her attack is both ranged and triple advantages virtually anything. Regarding S-crafts, buffs stack. Have someone cast La Crest and it will stack with the defense from Resounding Beat! This also means that Rean and Jusis in a party together can get everyone to +50% attack in short order in addition to a light CP refill and ATS and speed bonuses, which is nuts.
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I really like Rean, Jusis, Emma and Laura. Rean and Laura are obvious, Emma does hilarious combat damage and I have Jusis spamming buffs/debuffs on cooldown or using his delaying craft if he really has nothing to do.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Regarding S-crafts, buffs stack. Have someone cast La Crest and it will stack with the defense from Resounding Beat! This also means that Rean and Jusis in a party together can get everyone to +50% attack in short order in addition to a light CP refill and ATS and speed bonuses, which is nuts. Wait, WHAT?! Wow, that changes everything.
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They don't stack past 50% though. If you have a red arrow you have +50, if you have a yellow you have +25
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Regarding S-crafts, buffs stack. Have someone cast La Crest and it will stack with the defense from Resounding Beat! This also means that Rean and Jusis in a party together can get everyone to +50% attack in short order in addition to a light CP refill and ATS and speed bonuses, which is nuts. Does that mean Laura could also boost herself to 100% attack with Radiant Wings? e: oh I guess not 
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Still, knowing I can double boost would have changed the way I played Chapter 3 a lot.
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Yeah, I was aware of double-stacking. I just generally only use it for STR, and then blow poo poo up before it can hurt me in return.
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My rough tier list for characters go something like this God tier: Machias (Juggler master Quartz + status effect quartz + great crafts. Bit weak early but more than makes up for it later. He controls the flow of combat like no other, and his attack is AOE so you can get multiple enemies at once.) Very Good: Rean (Good Force Master Quartz user, great craft selection and he's on your team the entire game so even if he's not the star of the show, he can always Motivate the squad) Fie (Insane dodge tank, with the right weapons and armor you can get her to a 95% dodge rate, so just throw her into a pack of enemies and watch as she counters them to death. I used the Thor Master Quartz on her, but Raven works just fine. ) Laura (Pure physical damage and the person I immediately slid the Force Quartz onto. Her S-Craft has a wide range, she's got the highest physical strength and she comes with her own self buff if the Domination Quartz + Craft start isn't enough to kill absolutely everything.) Good: Alisa (Basically a CP battery that can heal as well. I threw Moebius onto her for reasons, but I basically just subbed her in when the party needed a quick CP and HP refresh) Emma (When physical attacks won't do, Emma has the ATS to take them down. I put the Criminal Master Quartz on her to maximize her damage and just went to town like that. She can heal in a pinch, but that's not her best role) Eh: Elliot (A weaker Emma with nicer healing. A good crutch in the early game, but basically like Marcus or Jegan, he gets outclassed fast.) Bad: Jusis (Just a bad Rean really. Weak S-Craft, too much of a jack of all trades so he doesn't really help in either category) Gaius (I love you Gaius, but you can't do anything that Fie doesn't already have covered.) Just including the original Class VII, guest stars and late arrivals have their own niches.
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Logicblade posted:Jusis (Just a bad Rean really. Weak S-Craft, too much of a jack of all trades so he doesn't really help in either category) I'm guessing you haven't tried spamming Noble Command, then.
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Logicblade posted:Fie (Insane dodge tank, with the right weapons and armor you can get her to a 95% dodge rate, so just throw her into a pack of enemies and watch as she counters them to death. I used the Thor Master Quartz on her, but Raven works just fine. )
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Supremezero posted:I'm guessing you haven't tried spamming Noble Command, then. Yeah, Nobel Command is basically the thing that makes Jusis own. He's way more of a buff/debuff bot than anything but that's a real powerful role.
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I'm still pretty early in the game (beginning of Chapter 4), but Fie seemed insane with Force for me in Chapter 2.
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Honestly I think the game is genuinely well designed in that almost every character has a really strong motivating factor for picking them. The 'worst' is that Emma and Elliot are a bit too overlappy and that Gaius really genuinely doesn't have a good solid role compared to the other characters.
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yeah. compare to trails in the sky where scherazard, tita, and zane were all pretty bad
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schera has her craft that instantly brings up targeted allies' turns, is the fastest caster and can use the female only +ATS gear, while zane has his +50% str/def buff and thunder god kick. they have their uses i'd say now josette, josette is just awful. i don't understand
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Maybe Gaius will be better in the next game. The only thing that's really worth it for him after grinding them all to 70 is his starting skill that unbalances/knocks down sometimes and that spot's already filled by Shotgun Nerd, Laura and late game Rean. But now that people are talking about Quartz use, what are the go-to ones, master or otherwise for a Nightmare run?
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zane's problem is that he wants to be the tank to agate's barbarian but the problem is you're using kloe and olivier anyway because they basically make the game easy mode, and they can easily heal agate through his rage shenanigans, so zane's slow rear end doesn't serve much purpose
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I'm finally on the Finale of SC and I noticed they pretty much gave up on translating Chibi-de Babbi-debu but I don't blame them in the least. It still works as a nonsense magic chant, and trying to keep both pertinent meanings in English would've been daunting.Endorph posted:tita, and zane were all pretty bad
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leather fedora posted:I'm finally on the Finale of SC and I noticed they pretty much gave up on translating Chibi-de Babbi-debu but I don't blame them in the least. It still works as a nonsense magic chant, and trying to keep both pertinent meanings in English would've been daunting. mind explaining further because i'm not sure what you're referring to
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Endorph posted:zane's problem is that he wants to be the tank to agate's barbarian but the problem is you're using kloe and olivier anyway because they basically make the game easy mode, and they can easily heal agate through his rage shenanigans, so zane's slow rear end doesn't serve much purpose Zane is sort of nice for a stretch of a Schera path playthrough, since he balances out the Agate-less party, (for me it meant that there was a lot less of Estelle face tanking at the point). Of course once Agate shows up/the paths join, he pretty much headed for the bench except for his plot boss battles.
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Cake Attack posted:mind explaining further because i'm not sure what you're referring to leather fedora fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Well, just finished Chapter 6. The two boss gauntlet is pure hell even on Hard, so I'm already dreading what it'll be like on Nightmare. C summoning those little shits and then occasionally getting another turn before having someone come up that can deal with them was especially fun, especially if you aren't aware of them and what they do, and didn't have Faint resistance on all your teammates. Also, heavily spoilerific speculation.  Even if I hadn't suspected before, the oh so convenient cave-in cutting Crow off from the party shortly before C appeared would be incredibly blatant. Oh, and after that little end scene there's no way Sharon isn't part of Ouroboros. It actually makes sense in retrospect too - even aside from all the special talents, getting a member that high up in one of the most powerful companies on the continent would be a high priority.
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And the fact that the nobles seem very into this sowing Chaos business, I can't wait for Shotgun Nerd and Pretty boy to really start to bicker again in Cold Steel 2. Or at least see if Jusis still wants to be proud of his noble linage out of what I expect both members of his family to be up to. Oh and I definitely want to watch how Sarah and Towa react to what happened in 6.
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lets hang out posted:tita is good just for the blind craft with the huge radius Medium radius cannon and a status effect quartz of your choice is also rad as hell. I had her with Petrify for a while in SC and god drat did she create an impressive statuary.
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Saw some playthrough videos of CS. In chapter 5 the person who saved them in Lohengrin castle, she seems show up with no prior foreshadowing. Is that who I think she is from Aoi/Sen?
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Weissritter posted:Saw some playthrough videos of CS. yeah i read somewhere that it's supposed to be arianrhod (sp?)
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Cake Attack posted:yeah i read somewhere that it's supposed to be arianrhod (sp?) Oh neat. And I may have missed it, but is there a reason why they are localizing CS first instead of the crossbell arc? Weissritter fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Weissritter posted:Oh neat. CS is vita/ps3 which are getting older by the day, the crossbell arc would be on PC (since they can't get the rights to the evolution ports) which will remain a viable platform
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Cake Attack posted:CS is vita/ps3 which are getting older by the day, the crossbell arc would be on PC (since they can't get the rights to the evolution ports) which will remain a viable platform That makes sense. Though I was surprised it did not have a PC port (I did spot Chinese localized PC ports of Aoi/Sen at the shops here).
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Cake Attack posted:CS is vita/ps3 which are getting older by the day, the crossbell arc would be on PC (since they can't get the rights to the evolution ports) which will remain a viable platform More to the point, because Falcom told them to.
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