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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Jurassic World, a movie that had all the flaws generally attributed to the prequels and then some, made $660 million dollars in the theater last year and you are baffled about this? Jurassic World is significantly better than the Star Wars prequels.
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Yaws posted:Jurassic World is significantly better than the Star Wars prequels. It slipped my mind that JW doesn't have anything analogous to Jar-Jar, so really that depends on how bad he triggers someone's bad movie reflex.
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I'm gonna try not to get too much into it 'cuz it would get too much about My Opinions and whatnot but, very broadly, I don't think the SW prequels successfully realized the vision that it set out to realize, but the vision itself was pretty good and worthwhile. Jurassic World seems to have successfully created the exact film that they had envisioned it being, but the problem is that they had envisioned a pretty balls film.
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turtlecrunch posted:More mirrors for the Force Awakens VFX video since they keep trying to hide it (contains spoilers): I love how they use what look like those Force FX lightsabers to get the subtle glow effect on the actors and environment. Pretty genius. Also this reel gives an even better look at Supreme Leader Snokes face than what they give in the concept art book. Dude is seriously messed up.
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This is pretty funny considering all of the bullshit arguments about the prequels' awfulness being intentional, because Jurassic World is one of the few movies that I sincerely believe embodies that. That movie is intentionally and effectively subversive, and spends it's entire running time satirizing the audience and their expectations. The movie resents it's own existence, and it shows. But as stated above, its accomplishment of this feat is kind of a hollow triumph. They successfully made a sardonically bad movie, rather than a foolishly good one. Honestly, if the effects, camerawork, and direction weren't poo poo, I'd probably praise it more. Star Wars 7 worked for me in every way that movie didn't. And despite its obvious pandering with certain scenes, it feels more like a product of love for its past than one grounded in cynicism.
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Beefstew posted:all of the bullshit arguments about the prequels' awfulness being intentional Nobody has been saying that.
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ungulateman posted:It's p. funny that people accuse of SMG of trolling for posting his opinion without prefacing every sentence with "my opinion on this media (as read by Lacan via Zizek) is...", then Judakel turns up and goes "nuh uh" to people engaging him in goodwill. Their reasoning is poor and I point out why. wyoming posted:No wait, you're the worst. I don't know who you are. Judakel fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Lord Krangdar posted:Nobody has been saying that. Well, people have been accusing others of doing that, but they misunderstand what's going on. The prequels are different movies than the ones their detractors want them to be. In that sense, it's true that they are intentionally bad at having the qualities of those imaginary films. It's sort of like how a hamburger can be understood as an intentionally bad steak. After all, it's a poor cut, over-cooked and over-seasoned.
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Yaws posted:Jurassic World is significantly better than the Star Wars prequels. i guess we will find out when the next movies are released
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Jurassic World was not bad. Dumb, but not bad.
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Bongo Bill posted:Well, people have been accusing others of doing that, but they misunderstand what's going on. Is it really so hard to believe that some people just don't enjoy the prequels, even on the prequels' own terms? I really enjoyed The Force Awakens, but I'm not astounded by the idea of people not enjoying it.
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Phylodox posted:Is it really so hard to believe that some people just don't enjoy the prequels, even on the prequels' own terms? I really enjoyed The Force Awakens, but I'm not astounded by the idea of people not enjoying it. Not at all. But that's not what Bill's arguing anyway.
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Phylodox posted:Is it really so hard to believe that some people just don't enjoy the prequels, even on the prequels' own terms? I really enjoyed The Force Awakens, but I'm not astounded by the idea of people not enjoying it. It's okay to dislike anything for any reason, including good movies for bad reasons.
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Loyalty and love is the force, a good stat sheet.
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Phylodox posted:Is it really so hard to believe that some people just don't enjoy the prequels, even on the prequels' own terms? I really enjoyed The Force Awakens, but I'm not astounded by the idea of people not enjoying it. It's hilarious that: 1) Bongo Bill wasn't saying that at all and 2) there was a dude at the last page who literally entered the conversation with "I can't believe there are people who defend the prequels!" (there's someone who does this basically once a month)
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Guy A. Person posted:2) there was a dude at the last page who literally entered the conversation with "I can't believe there are people who defend the prequels!" (there's someone who does this basically once a month) Make it bannable and watch the revenues stream in for senor lowtax
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Guy A. Person posted:1) Bongo Bill wasn't saying that at all He's not saying that people who don't like the prequels are just pining for some different, imaginary movie rather than finding genuine fault in the ones that exist? quote:2) there was a dude at the last page who literally entered the conversation with "I can't believe there are people who defend the prequels!" (there's someone who does this basically once a month) Yeah, and they're no better. Not saying they are.
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Phylodox posted:He's not saying that people who don't like the prequels are just pining for some different, imaginary movie rather than finding genuine fault in the ones that exist? There's plenty of fault to find in the prequels, of course. But the most common complaints are not faults but category errors.
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Bongo Bill posted:There's plenty of fault to find in the prequels, of course. But the most common complaints are not faults but category errors. What are some examples of these common complaints that are just category errors?
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piratepilates posted:What are some examples of these common complaints that are just category errors? Well, I thought they were going to be pornos.
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This thread moves pretty quickly, what's the SMG approved argument for why the Jar Jar Binks minstrel comedy hour is secretly good and anti-fascist?
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Squinty posted:This thread moves pretty quickly, what's the SMG approved argument for why the Jar Jar Binks minstrel comedy hour is secretly good and anti-fascist? Jar Jar is as much of a racial stereotype as Maz is.
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piratepilates posted:What are some examples of these common complaints that are just category errors? One is the observation that Anakin and Obi-Wan don't seem to be good friends. It's appropriate to rarely see them at ease with each other because the story is not about their friendship and why it ended. It's more about Anakin's decision to help create the Empire. The details of their friendship that contribute to that story are things like how they often didn't get along, how Obi-Wan was massively in denial about the nature of that strife, how their relationship was complicated by its entanglement with the Jedi Order with all its rules and internal politics, etc.
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Squinty posted:This thread moves pretty quickly, what's the SMG approved argument for why the Jar Jar Binks minstrel comedy hour is secretly good and anti-fascist? Jar Jar is a reasonably intelligent, athletic individual whose major 'flaws' are his clumsiness and that his native dialect makes him sound like a simpleton to Qui-Gon Jinn (who upon entering the film, immediately derides the Neimoidians he was sent to negotiate with as 'cowards' and 'fearful', so his attitude towards aliens is maybe not the greatest?). The battle scene in which Jar Jar flubs his way through half a dozen battle droids with one stuck on his foot should be seen in the same light as Han Solo blindly shooting Boba Fett out of the sky in RotJ - it's 'blind luck', or as we call it in Star Wars, 'the will of the Force'. Telekinesis and mind control might be what the Jedi actively use as the Force, but treating the Force like a list of video game powers is either a failure to read or just an unwillingness to do so. Jar Jar Binks could have been the Chosen One if the Jedi weren't obsessed with prophecies and midi-chlorian counts. Jar Jar isn't an anti-fascist character, though - he's coopted by the Republic into fighting a puppet war against an army of droids controlled by the Emperor on both sides. In AotC, Jar Jar is talented enough to be Naboo's Senator when Padme is off getting killed for her Jedi boyfriend. He's then coopted by the Republic into approving a puppet war against an army of droids controlled by the Emperor on both sides. Then he's one of the key players who hands total power to the Emperor in RotS (allowing him to end the war against an army of droids that he was controlling). There's a deleted scene, included in RotS' novelisation, where Sheev personally meets with Jar Jar and thanks him for all his hard work. He's one of the many unfortunate bureaucrats who was willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security and lost both.
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Watch District 9, a whole film of Jar Jars.
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I need to have a seance with Zizek to tell me what to think before I comment any further on this.
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Beefstew posted:I need to have a seance with Zizek to tell me what to think before I comment any further on this. He's not dead. Or do you mean the two of you will summon the spirit of Karl Marx to find out what he thinks about Nute Gunray?
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I will summon the spirit of Roger Ebert from the grave, so that I may give The Force Awakens four thumbs up.
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piratepilates posted:What are some examples of these common complaints that are just category errors?
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I wish the people who want to talk about the prequels had their own thread.
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rear end Catchcum posted:I wish the people who want to talk about the prequels had their own thread. They do. It's this thread. There was a thread for The Force Awakens. It got closed because it kept getting derailed with prequel talk.
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What was everyone's take on the "bring balance to the Force" thing? Was the prophecy misread, or did Vader somehow accomplish it at the end of ROTJ? Or at the end of ROTS? If he did, how, in what way? This is one prequel thing I've never understood.
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I love that Rey and Finn exhibit deep fear. This is new to to the Star Wars movies. In previous movies, we never really saw any characters get afraid. TFA is the most emotional of the movies.
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MrMojok posted:What was everyone's take on the "bring balance to the Force" thing? In the PT they had lost that path, even if individual Jedi were not bad people. Presumably if the Jedi had been more clever, or if they had foiled the scheme Sheev pulled, he would have lurked in the shadows - they were already setting the stage for themselves to actually fall, as an organization, into explicit corruption by hiding their weakening perceptions from the Senate and considering seizing power, etc.
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MrMojok posted:What was everyone's take on the "bring balance to the Force" thing? Lucas' official stance is that Vader brought balance to the Force at the end of RotJ, when he turned away from the Dark Side and struck down the Emperor. This is the interpretation that makes the most sense if you watch the films in 123456 order, since it completes Vader's character arc - and it's the explanation that makes the most sense diegetically. Alternatively, 'bringing balance to the Force' can be interpreted as destroying all of the Jedi. This is probably how Sheev saw the prophecy, which is why he may-or-may-not have artificially created Anakin in order to bring it about. He either couldn't do basic math or didn't actually believe in the prophecy except inasmuch as the Jedi believed in it, though. The problem with this interpretation is that the Force very clearly doesn't want to be balanced, given that Luke goes off and spends three movies becoming a Jedi. At no point is the Jedi/Sith ratio actually balanced, depending on when you consider Luke becomes a Jedi and when you consider Vader stops being a Sith. When we 'return' to TPM, one Jedi and no Sith leads to a universe with thousands of Jedi and two Sith. Of course, all of this is assuming 'bringing balance to the Force' is concerned entirely with the presence of Jedi and Sith in the universe, which assumes the Force is video game powers. If 'bringing balance to the Force' is supposed to be philosophical or religious, then I think Lucas had it right when he said Vader brought balance to the Force by killing the Emperor. Not because he turned away from the 'Dark side' towards the 'Light side' (after all, he very clearly physically lifts the Emperor with his Force-less gauntlets and chucks him in a pit), but because he rejected what was easy and instead did what was right - just like Luke did by refusing to kill him.
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This seems like an appropriate place as any to post this, http://www.swcombine.com/ - we've been playing this game for a few weeks now (my local gaming buddies) - it's a free to play Star Wars RPG that runs in real time (so like, hyperspace takes hours or days to complete) - and it's been running nonstop for 17+ years. It takes place in the setting of Star Wars, but none of the canon elements of the stories ever happened, so no Death Star, etc... In fact, like 8 years ago, the Empire destroyed the Rebel Alliance and turned them into the Trash & Recycling company of the Galaxy. It's a pretty fun game, we've been doing work for the Empire and having a blast. Check it out of that's your kind of thing, and PM me if you want to join the Galactic Empire.
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