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That Grievous fight is so loving bad. And im not here to praise the Tartakovsky cartoon as that was over the top. Ewan McGregor is just flailing around in quick cuts to hide the fact that he had no idea what was going on. He stands there motionless as a giant beast unleashes four loving lightsabers. Look at the cut scene from the TFA trailers when Finn quickly glances as Kylo ignites his saber. Something like that was needed as Obi Wan realizes this is a huge loving deal. It's poor directing. Then later its twice shown that Grievous is insanely tough - physically that is - he punches a dent into a ship and when Obi Wan kicks him he recoils in pain - yet he takes a direct punch to the face and is fine? gently caress off.
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Jerkface posted:Proof that TFA uses miniatures, Rey's home: This looks like someone put a toy in sand for reference.
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Corek posted:This looks like someone put a toy in sand for reference. 
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Phylodox posted:You know what I want to see? Behind the scenes footage of Mark Hamill on the Dagobah set interacting with Yoda between takes. Those Muppet performers like Frank Oz are always so amazing about maintaining character, I just wanna see Yoda chatting with Hamill about union dues and current events. Smooth cocaine, George provides, hmm?
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Jan 15, 2016 05:40
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computer parts posted:The Separatists are rich dudes, they're evil in the same way that your average banker or plantation owner is. Do we even know that much about the Separatists? I mean the Trade Federation is probably loaded, but we know next to nothing about them, so there's not much point to trying to draw ACW parallels. Pretty much everyone we see in all of the movies and on all sides is part of a galactic elite anyway.
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The Separatists' biggest baddest battleship is called The Invisible Hand. Their major constituent organizations are called The Trade Federation, The Intergalactic Banking Clan and The Techno Union. The proper title of their formed government is seriously "the Confederacy." They are also led by Dracula. Their politics aren't subtle.
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SPY DROID DID NOTHING WRONG It doesn't invade CGI Punisher-Man's kinesphere and even if it does a little, he is quite probably drunk anyway (I always thought of every settlement on Tattooine as being full of smelly, diseased drunkards like in Deadwood)
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Vintersorg posted:That Grievous fight is so loving bad. And im not here to praise the Tartakovsky cartoon as that was over the top. Ewan McGregor is just flailing around in quick cuts to hide the fact that he had no idea what was going on. He stands there motionless as a giant beast unleashes four loving lightsabers. I found it annoying and ridiculous that after Obi-Wan pries open Grievous's chest to reveal his vital organic components that Grievous just acts surprised, makes the worst noise ever, comes across as embarrassed like he just got his pants pulled down and doesn't immediately like, close it shut again. Just gets shot in his big stupid heart by an uncivilized weapon.
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Phylodox posted:You know what I want to see? Behind the scenes footage of Mark Hamill on the Dagobah set interacting with Yoda between takes. Those Muppet performers like Frank Oz are always so amazing about maintaining character, I just wanna see Yoda chatting with Hamill about union dues and current events. Not quite the same but they clearly did have fun with the muppets on set.  
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Grievous appears on film (LOL) for the first time ever in ROTS, is made to look like he is a big shot, and he's coughing like he's got tuberculosis. I know why he coughs, a lot of you know why he coughs, but literally no one I know in real life knew what he was or why he was coughing. Obi-Wan's lack of awareness, gravitas, or indeed, even effort vs. Grievous is because the prequels are well-made films that are making fun of you.
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Jan 15, 2016 06:58
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Caros posted:Not quite the same but they clearly did have fun with the muppets on set. Aw, I'm glad Yoda has a good relationship with his parents.
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Red posted:The Separatist movement in the PT isn't actually evil, right? There are evil people behind it, but seceding from the Republic isn't inherently bad. Why can't there be heroes? The same way that the generals of the confederacy were not heroes, neither during the war nor when they established the KKK.
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How do prequel defenders like super mechagozilla or CNUT the pretty ok defend against the Red Letter reviews? There are just so many salient points in there.
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Basically, accepting that there are heroes on both sides plays into accepting the Space-Lost Cause Myth, when in reality they were horrible people only eclipsed by the rise of Space Lincoln Dracula
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Neurolimal posted:The same way that the generals of the confederacy were not heroes, neither during the war nor when they established the KKK. I know the conversation was about parallels to the American Civil War specifically, but a historical figure who might be germane to this line of argument is Erwin Rommel.
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rear end Catchcum posted:How do prequel defenders like super mechagozilla or CNUT the pretty ok defend against the Red Letter reviews? There are just so many salient points in there. The reviews are insightful, but many of their points are trivially false, and many others arise from failing to notice that irony was happening in the scene in question. They focus closely on the craft of screenwriting, which is their and George Lucas' weakest point by far, and give little attention to the visual storytelling that is the strongest.
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I dunno there seem to be some pretty significant and stupid plot holes.
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Also, Dracula is fighting for the Space Confederacy.
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rear end Catchcum posted:I dunno there seem to be some pretty significant and stupid plot holes. Which ones can't be explained by "It's to show the character is a hypocrite" and "Palpatine rigged the game so that the other outcome would have also advanced his scheme"?
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A good third of those reviews focusses on just how blind and idiotic most of the characters are. This is usually handwaved by 'they're meant to be fools' or 'their minds are clouded', but it stretches the realms of believability into parody levels.
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Jedi good, but then laugh when slave asks for freedom . . . plot hole!?
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There are a ton in attack of the clones, especially with padmes assassination attempt. Glass room Droid using worms instead of, I dunno, a gun Jango, a bounty hunter, hiring a bounty hunter Who is a shape shifter wearing a disguise who doesn't just shape shift into someone who would have easier access to padme, and, as such, the fact that it's a shapeshifter being completely useless. Obi jumping out a window and everything working out Also in phantom why does the bad guys land on the other side of the planet for an invasion of naboo's capital?
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Also in phantom why can they run fast at one point but then never again, especially when obi needed to run fast to qui gon
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In other words, Darth Vader has already provided the answer Gonna disagree it's luke not vader who empowers leia to end slavery she lowers herself from a position of royalty to that of a slave In and of it's self christ imagery and then when luke reveals himself as a true jedi she kills the oppressor with his own chains later on in episode 7 we see tattoine in a state of reconstruction (jakku) and there's no slavery sadly leia chooses earth instead of heaven and does not ascend to spread these messages by taking leadership.
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Also I forgot that Anakin and padme literally roll around in the grass also why can't padme date? No queens, and then, senators, can date? Also why did she have a double as a queen AND as a senator? Did palps as a senator?
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Also, every single scene in clones had blue screen, and that's def not true with tfa so supermechagodzilla should stop alluding that tfa had less practical effects than the prequels.
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The RLM reviews are good at elucidating all the ways the Prequels failed to live up to common fan expectations and assumptions for how they should have unfolded, but instead of that making the movies bad maybe those expectations were wrong in the first place. Its just a very different story from what was expected. Especially since the whole trilogy is about such flawed characters failing completely, which isn't something we usually see in films marketed as big event blockbusters. Also rear end Catchcum, most your list is just questioning fairly trivial things just because they weren't explicitly explained. Those aren't really plot-holes. As for Padme's assassination attempt I could be remembering wrong but I thought the point was to lead the Jedi to the clone army, not to kill her. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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computer parts posted:The Separatists are rich dudes, they're evil in the same way that your average banker or plantation owner is. The Separatists represent the Republic's self-centered, individualist id. Contrasted against them are the Loyalists, which represent the Republic's more conscientious, community-oriented superego. That's the whole thrust of Sidious's plot: Split the Republic into two factions--one Apollonian, one Dionysian--and then trick them into trying to destroy each other, instead of coexisting in equal balance with each other as they have for a millennium. This rift will result in the weakening of the Republic's two mediating ego mechanisms, the Jedi Order and the Senate. Sidious will then take advantage of the resulting weakness in order to destroy both institutions. He will then replace these institutions.....with himself. It's all just a recapitulation of the conflict between the Naboo and the Gungans in Episode I: The surface-dwelling Naboo are the superego, the abyss-dwelling Gungans are the id. At the beginning of Episode I, there's a long-standing rift between the two societies. Naboo is out of balance with itself. Its ego is weak; in other words, it is weak-minded. Sidious takes advantage of this situation, which is nothing less than the fractured psyche of a world, in order to impose his own will on the planet. "The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded." By the end of the film, the Naboo and the Gungans have learned to live together for mutual advantage, restored the balance, and taken back their planet from the Sith. The Phantom Menace is a blueprint for how things should go. It's the thesis statement for the entire saga. That's why it's so important not to skip it. It's an essential part of the story.
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Bongo Bill posted:I know the conversation was about parallels to the American Civil War specifically, but a historical figure who might be germane to this line of argument is Erwin Rommel. I'm pretty sure he was German, yeah
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rear end Catchcum posted:Also, every single scene in clones had blue screen, and that's def not true with tfa so supermechagodzilla should stop alluding that tfa had less practical effects than the prequels. The presence of blue/green screen on a set doesn't necessarily mean that there's going to be CGI. Also: That's not true. Every single scene in Clones did not have blue/green screen. Don't say things that aren't true.
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Steve2911 posted:A good third of those reviews focusses on just how blind and idiotic most of the characters are. This is usually handwaved by 'they're meant to be fools' or 'their minds are clouded', but it stretches the realms of believability into parody levels. Let's not get into the criminal incompetence of the Death Star's security procedures (possibly somewhat defensible as the Death Star was both new, a titanic challenge for any kind of organization, and presumably not likely to see enemy infiltrators). Darth Vader's wariness in the face of Obi-wan is at least justifiable in light of the prequels, where I believe Obi-wan has been present for two confirmed Sith kills and had, by every right, killed Vader too -- but then he takes moments to prod Obi-wan's loving CLOTHES after he vaporizes instead of trying to stop the escapers? Bush-league, unrealistic poo poo. "Oh, but they let them go to find the Rebel base," you might say. What guarantee would they have that they'd go anywhere near there? Leia is a drat fool to not at least try to find some third planet where she can get on a ship that hasn't been under Imperial control. Even granted the Falcon's speed: Fly somewhere you don't care about and send word to the Rebels by courier, pay the drug runner for his trouble, and end up NOT having the Death Star come for your hidden base. Blind stupidity. But no, straight to Yavin IV they go. Fortunately their blistering stupidity is matched by Tarkin's even huger stupidity, when he flies his immense juggernaut (apparently unscreened and unescorted) over and starts very slowly orbiting Yavin to shoot the moon. Why not hyperspace somewhere a little more convenient, van Helsing? Why not just shoot the central planet and let the superheated gas do your dirty work for you? The snubfighters get in and start at least attempting to hit the critical weakness (which was apparently one easily discovered by the Rebels, or possibly engineered in by saboteurs). Letting Luke fly a high performance starfighter is maybe justifiable out of desperation, and it does work out for them, but literally the only reason it works is that Han Solo is too loving stupid to go take the money and pay off Jabba. Hell, even after the movie he obviously does not go take a week to settle his score! Idiots. What a stupid movie full of unrealistic dumbshits. Now excuse me, as I go check my murder dungeon.
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I didn't say it, Hayden Christensen did.
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MrMojok posted:Grievous appears on film (LOL) for the first time ever in ROTS, is made to look like he is a big shot, and he's coughing like he's got tuberculosis. I know why he coughs, a lot of you know why he coughs, but literally no one I know in real life knew what he was or why he was coughing. I don't know if you noticed this, but Greivous coughs because he is a pair of damaged lungs loosely attached to a metal frame.
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rear end Catchcum posted:There are a ton in attack of the clones, especially with padmes assassination attempt. Jango was instructed to hire Zam to use such a roundabout method because the assassination attempt was intended to fail. An extremely deadly mercenary might stand a chance against two powerful Jedi knights whom Palpatine directly suggested for bodyguard duty, but a subcontractor like Zam was no match for them and he knew it. Palpatine's goal was to start the Clone War, and Zam's failed attack served that goal in two ways: first, it would lure the biggest opponent of war away from the Senate without making her a martyr; second, it would create a trail of clues that would guide the Jedi to Geonosis and the discovery of the separatists' droid army without tipping them off that they were being played. The reason the Trade Federation land in the middle of nowhere rather than in the capital is because they have an army, not a navy, so they can stage their attack better from on land. rear end Catchcum posted:Also I forgot that Anakin and padme literally roll around in the grass also why can't padme date? No queens, and then, senators, can date? Naboo calls their elected officials queens. After her term expired, she continued a career in politics.
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rear end Catchcum posted:I didn't say it, Hayden Christensen did. Then Hayden Christensen is a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXCrMy2mwc
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Bongo Bill posted:Jango was instructed to hire Zam to use such a roundabout method because the assassination attempt was intended to fail. An extremely deadly mercenary might stand a chance against two powerful Jedi knights whom Palpatine directly suggested for bodyguard duty, but a subcontractor like Zam was no match for them and he knew it. Palpatine's goal was to start the Clone War, and Zam's failed attack served that goal in two ways: first, it would lure the biggest opponent of war away from the Senate without making her a martyr; second, it would create a trail of clues that would guide the Jedi to Geonosis and the discovery of the separatists' droid army without tipping them off that they were being played. The closest land was on the other side of the planet?
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rear end Catchcum posted:The closest land was on the other side of the planet?
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It was because the way obi and qui gon get to the capital is by going through the planets core.
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rear end Catchcum posted:The closest land was on the other side of the planet? Naboo isn't real. The most convenient place for them to land could be arbitrarily near or far. The important details are that the heroes are far from Queen Amidala but close to Boss Nass, and Boss Nass knows a shortcut that can get them there faster than the invaders. Keep in mind, too, that once they take the capital they start putting its population in concentration camps, which they'd need to build somewhere. They believe that Naboo has no force capable of resisting them or escaping their blockade, and they've been assured by their co-conspirator that the Republic won't intervene, so capturing Theed is not urgent for them. Because of this, their tactics are slow and cautious.
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