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Aexo posted:I took the "bloke who came out of a cave and said he was in a hotel" to be Kevin's father, who said he was going to Australia. Also, the dude in the tower had mail for him in like the first episode. Newscaster on TV: Resurrection? That's the claim from Australia as witnesses describe a man previously believed dead emerging from a cave in Wanneroo outside the city of Perth. Man: Walked out covered in mozzie bites, saying he'd just been in a hotel. Newscaster: The man, identified as David Burton... That's where it gets cut off. I get my transcripts from here but I'll double check the episode tonight when I get home from work. And yeah, the letter from Edward, the guy on the pillar, which he gives to Michael to deliver is addressed to David Burton as well. It does seem like a huge mark in the Mysticism column, but it's also illustrating how popular of a story this has become in this world. We hear it mentioned twice in "Off Ramp." You could make the case that Kevin's vision of the afterlife as this hotel comes from him hearing a broadcast like this one about a guy who supposedly journeyed to the other side and said it was a hotel. He has the information buried deep in his mind, and then when it comes time for his unconscious to dream up a vision of the other side, it bases it on this pre-existing idea. Personally, I'd say that since we never see Kevin listening to one of those reports, that explanation is a stretch.
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The show hired Reza Aslan as a spiritual consultant and here's what he said about Australia: Kevin Sr. says he’s cured and moving to Australia. That’s the second reference to the country; the first was the guy in the tower sending a letter there. Australia is almost universally understood as the seat of ancient spiritual power, particularly the sort of inland parts, because it’s such a unique landmass with a unique ecosystem. Some of the oldest tribal shamanistic traditions in the world still exist there in vibrant form among indigenous peoples. You see in pop culture and in books the concept of the walkabout, which has this mystic sense to it. People who don’t even know what a walkabout represents use the term when they’re talking about a spiritual journey. In fact, now that I think about it, John Locke of Lost was in Australia on a walkabout before the plane crash! http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/leftovers-questions-reza-aslan.html
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Fast Luck posted:The show hired Reza Aslan as a spiritual consultant and here's what he said about Australia: Well, trying to go on a walkabout anyway  Anyways, that is interesting stuff. I've heard a little bit about Reza and what he brought to the show through the Bald Move podcast, it seemed like he was the one that first brought up this idea that Kevin was specifically a shaman rather than a prophet or a messiah or something else. Which is fantastic and fitting for this show because rather than being GIVEN information from God, Kevin has to cross that threshold and TAKE the information for himself from the hotel/purgatory/his own unconscious. EDIT: Reza Aslan, for those who aren't aware, is a religious scholar and practicing Muslim who made a Fox News pundit melt down because he wrote a book about Jesus "BUT YOU'RE A MUSLIM!!" Pepe Silvia Browne fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Fast Luck posted:The show hired Reza Aslan as a spiritual consultant and here's what he said about Australia: Also, and I could TOTALLY be misremembering, but I thought there was an even earlier reference to Australia? Like something overheard on a newscast maybe.
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Not an earlier reference - it's in the first Tom/Laurie episode, I believe there's a report on TV about a guy in Australia emerging from a cave and claiming he can't die or something along those lines. Don't remember the guy's name at the moment but it's either confirmed or heavily implied that he's the guy Kevin meets on the bridge when he "dies" and then in the hotel bar when he "dies" again.
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el oso posted:Not an earlier reference - it's in the first Tom/Laurie episode, I believe there's a report on TV about a guy in Australia emerging from a cave and claiming he can't die or something along those lines. THA TITTY THRILLER posted:Newscaster on TV: Resurrection? That's the claim from Australia as witnesses describe a man previously believed dead emerging from a cave in Wanneroo outside the city of Perth. And yeah, unconfirmed so far. But as he's the only named Australian character, and he's knowledgeable about the "other side," David Burton being the bridge/hotel guy goes hand in hand with the Kevin as a Shaman theory. EDIT: Fixed Pepe Silvia Browne fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Leftovers broke the record for acting nominations in the critics choice awards. Theroux, Coon, Dowd, King and Ecclestone. Only Coon won, but still. Also got a nomination for best drama, but lost to mr robot.
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joepinetree posted:Also got a nomination for best drama, but lost to mr robot. This is why awards mean nothing
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THA TITTY THRILLER posted:And yeah, unconfirmed so far. But as he's the only other named Australian character, besides Dr. Goodheart (the water collecting guy), He's British.
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Jan 18, 2016 15:54
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Strange. I love both shows and assumed their fan bases would probably overlap quite a bit. Lindelof was a big fan of Mr. Robot as well.
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Mr. Belding posted:Strange. I love both shows and assumed their fan bases would probably overlap quite a bit. Lindelof was a big fan of Mr. Robot as well. I'm insanely in the wheel house of mr robot but I could just never get into it, I watched 5 episodes and it felt like the biggest slog ever. Maybe the main actor put me off or something.
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:I'm insanely in the wheel house of mr robot but I could just never get into it, I watched 5 episodes and it felt like the biggest slog ever. Maybe the main actor put me off or something. You quit right before everything starts to accelerate. I like the show but I have a couple of friends that were put off by Rami Malek, too. I think it's cool that they're actively creeped out by the way he acts as Elliott, but I understand that it's not for everybody.
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Vanderdeath posted:You quit right before everything starts to accelerate. I like the show but I have a couple of friends that were put off by Rami Malek, too. I think it's cool that they're actively creeped out by the way he acts as Elliott, but I understand that it's not for everybody. Well gently caress, I'll give it another shot.
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Mr Robot's worst problem is Christian Slater, the man who squints and talks instead of acting
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Mr robot sucks rear end
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I watched a few episodes and stopped after the one where Christian Slater KILLS TITULAR CHARACTER MR ROBOT I didn't watch any further, but I assume it was a really dumb fake out, since it was like Ep 4, but dumb dumb dumb
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Professor Shark posted:the one where Christian Slater KILLS TITULAR CHARACTER MR ROBOT I've never seen such a short sentence fragment contain so many inaccuracies. It's safe to say you really weren't paying attention at all.
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Professor Shark posted:I watched a few episodes and stopped after the one where Christian Slater KILLS TITULAR CHARACTER MR ROBOT I cannot really fathom how you judge shows dude. Mr. Robot is about the most similar thing to the mystery / twist / keyed up emotionality formula of The Leftovers, down to piano covers of Where Is My Mind, and (if you forgot) cliffhanger fakeouts of the protagonist dying Also Rami Malek is mad talented, filming right in actual New York is hot poo poo and the show overall is "brilliant" (Leftovers creator Damon Lindelof)
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Professor Shark posted:I watched a few episodes and stopped after the one where Christian Slater KILLS TITULAR CHARACTER MR ROBOT If you're talking about the scene at the pier, that's the end of the second episode. I love both Mr. Robot and Leftovers, and I was really torn between what I thought should win (awards wise). I think Justin Theroux may have done a slightly better job. I think both characters are really similar though. They're both losing their minds and they're both extremely vulnerable. I think overall Mr. Robot feels like a better season to me, but International Assassin might be my favorite episode of TV ever.
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I feel like just because a show has pretensions about being serious doesn't mean it's a serious show. Mr. Robot is not a serious show. It's got slick production and good cinematography and soundtrack and it certainly takes itself seriously with the big sweeping monologues like gently caress Society and Don't Tell Me What's Real but basically what it boils down to is "what if Fight Club, but hacking" and the plot meanders sort of nonsensically (Angela working for Evil Corp, wtf) and it's basically just porn for disaffected millennials.
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It's really funny to imagine the first conversation Kevin and Nora have the second after the camera cuts away in the finale. "What happened?" "John shot me and left me bleeding out in the ranger's station." "WHAT?!" "No, it's okay. We're cool. He might be coming over soon."
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THA TITTY THRILLER posted:It's really funny to imagine the first conversation Kevin and Nora have the second after the camera cuts away in the finale. "Anyways, I ran into Meg and Evie and I get that the GR is here, but, uh, why does no one seem concerned about the riots and the fires like a block away?"
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Fast Luck posted:I feel like just because a show has pretensions about being serious doesn't mean it's a serious show. Mr. Robot is not a serious show. It's got slick production and good cinematography and soundtrack and it certainly takes itself seriously with the big sweeping monologues like gently caress Society and Don't Tell Me What's Real but basically what it boils down to is "what if Fight Club, but hacking" and the plot meanders sort of nonsensically (Angela working for Evil Corp, wtf) and it's basically just porn for disaffected millennials. I think that if you take Elliot to be a protagonist in the classic sense then the show probably doesn't work, but I don't think that's a reasonable interpretation at all.
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I thought Mr Robot was well done but almost embarrassingly predictable. There was very little mystery in that show for me. I tried to show it to my husband. We got a few episodes in, he guessed pretty much everything, and wasn't interested in watching any more. I think the creator even basically said, "So what?" to similar criticism, and he's not wrong. The stuff that inspired the show was excellent, and they're doing a good job. They really did some cool stuff with it, there were a couple surprises for me in it, and I'm certainly looking forward to next season. But so far the show really is pretty much Fight Club, with hacking. With The Leftovers, though, I just never knew what the gently caress was going on or what was going to happen, yet at the end of each season it all comes together, more or less. I still can't even decide if Kevin was just hosed in the head or not. This show gave us both the unreliable narrator and lots of functional mystery on top of that. Damon Lindelof is a madman and I can't wait for the next season.
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Mr. Belding posted:I think that if you take Elliot to be a protagonist in the classic sense then the show probably doesn't work, but I don't think that's a reasonable interpretation at all. There's still nothing more than surface deep that makes the show, you know, good.
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Mr. Belding posted:I've never seen such a short sentence fragment contain so many inaccuracies. It's safe to say you really weren't paying attention at all. At the very end of an episode Christian Slater pushes Mr Robot off a wall and they treat it like he just killed him. It was an obvious fake out and was like a flashing sign that said "We think our audience is DUMB", but way to sick burn me or whatever GimpChimp posted:I cannot really fathom how you judge shows dude. I go by how many times I frown, roll my eyes, and shake my head regarding acting, plot, sets, etc Basically if a show is good enough to make me forget that I'm watching a show with actors playing characters, it's doing a good job. The Leftovers did that for me this season, Mr Robot did not. I think that Rami Malek does a good job in the show. If that bit at the end of your post is a quotation by Damon Lindelof, I'm not sure why you included it, unless you think that because I thought Season 2 of this series was good and the creator likes Mr Robot then I should like it too?  GimpChimp posted:and (if you forgot) cliffhanger fakeouts of the protagonist dying Haha don't be dick, I remember how in The Leftovers the character told the other character that he was going to die and then he did. It was much better done than Mr Robot. You seem really upset that I don't like another show that you think is like another show I enjoy. Borrowed Ladder posted:If you're talking about the scene at the pier, that's the end of the second episode. Jesus, it felt like I'd been watching the show for hours by that point Edit: I started to watch Episode 3 and the main character is not dead, even though they made it seem like he was! Anyway, I'll keep watching it since I have nothing else to watch today, but if that vocal-fry chick is super annoying already. Professor Shark fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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Since I have the same basic argument going in two different TV/IV threads I think I'll only stick to posting positive things
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For example: I'm continuing to watch Mr Robot and I'm liking Rami Malek more and more.
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Professor Shark posted:For example: I'm continuing to watch Mr Robot and I'm liking Rami Malek more and more. He's very good, and the show gets better as it goes on. Still suffers from some dumb writing and dialogue, and if you don't like the relentless shout-outs to Fincher you won't like it, but I did.
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I don't mind someone not liking Mr Robot but you're absolutely not meant to think he's dead from the ep 2 ending, that's just silly
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Professor Shark posted:I go by how many times I frown, roll my eyes, and shake my head regarding acting, plot, sets, etc Fine, but suspension of disbelief has to be offered before it can be earned, otherwise this is just a very roundabout way of saying "I like what I like" quote:I think that Rami Malek does a good job in the show. If that bit at the end of your post is a quotation by Damon Lindelof, I'm not sure why you included it, unless you think that because I thought Season 2 of this series was good and the creator likes Mr Robot then I should like it too? I am not saying you should like it because Lindelof does but it would be surprising to me if someone won over by Leftovers in season 2 wouldn't give his high praise for another TV show enough credence to not write it off by the second episode, even more so if your objection to the second show is something the first show did, regarding which: quote:Haha don't be dick, I remember how in The Leftovers the character told the other character that he was going to die and then he did. It was much better done than Mr Robot. You're being coy dude. The character outlining a plan to kill and revive Kevin, poisoning him, jizzing his revival syringe contents all over the floor solely to gently caress with the audience, then abruptly and messily ending himself / the episode, is absolutely an obvious fakeout re. Kevin dying but I didn't mind that much because it was fun and playful and as much as the Leftovers might sincerely go for emotional high notes as a whole it isn't terrifically serious. I am sure you know what I am getting at by now and in any case you are watching Mr. Robot some more quote:You seem really upset that I don't like another show that you think is like another show I enjoy. We're in the TV discussion forum. I thought we were together on that, Professor Shark. If you really read a strong undercurrent of emotional distress in those two sentences, I promise to stay away from pill bottles and sharp objects.
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Why don't you guys talk about Mr Robot in the Mr Robot thread? I keep seeing replies to this one and think that there's some new Leftovers discussion but no, it's still Mr Robot talk. I like both shows, don't get me wrong, but... 
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hollylolly posted:Why don't you guys talk about Mr Robot in the Mr Robot thread? What's funny is that a great thread to discuss both of these shows is the Sons of Anarchy thread. It's seriously like a great dumping ground for "talk of shows better than SoA".
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GimpChimp posted:Words and Yeah I'll give the show another chance, but you're right that I was being dickish with the "you seem mad" thing, I apologize for that.
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I'm on a second watch through of this show and it is so good. Little things I had missed the first time. Holy Wayne telling Nora "surely a live dog is better than a dead lion" is great (and a biblical reference if I remember). The passage Matt has Kevin read as a eulogy is perfect for that moment. And Ann Dowd is just phenomenal as an actress. She should be in a lot more stuff. Why is this show not more popular?
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It had a bad first season and telling people they have to invest 10 hours into something before it gets good doesn't tend to make people eager to do something Also LOST really hosed a lot of people up
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I thought the first season was great. I'm weird I guess.
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I don't think you're weird, I liked parts of the first season, but overall didn't like it and it made me very happy that Season 2 did a complete 180
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