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paradoxGentleman posted:-A bunch of Shakespear's work Shakespeare only wrote fan fiction. Not real literature. Lunchmeat Larry posted:speaking of Alice Munro where should I start w her Family Furnishings. e: specifically Working for a Living and Home are good starts. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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If you think about it, literature is just reality fanfiction...
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Jan 15, 2016 14:50
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Selected stories Disagree, her short stories collections all have thematic consistency in a way that I think gives value to specific collections. I would say Dear Life or Runaway
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Nanomashoes posted:If you think about it, literature is just reality fanfiction... You joke but what about the Aeneid and Divine Comedy
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Jan 15, 2016 14:51
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blue squares posted:hell is real? gently caress I missed the reality part
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Jan 15, 2016 14:53
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I googled Aenid and its about a dyslexic hamster?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Disagree, her short stories collections all have thematic consistency in a way that I think gives value to specific collections. I just forgot what it was called. Family Furnishings is just where I started.
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Jan 15, 2016 14:54
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Paradox for the sake of argument what is the best book you ever read and why is it the best book you ever readblue squares posted:I googled Aenid and its about a dyslexic hamster? I feel like I am getting wooshed here
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Paradox for the sake of argument what is the best book you ever read and why is it the best book you ever read Wikipedia posted:The Aeneid is a Latin epic poem, written by Virgil between 29 and 19 BC, that tells the legendary story of Aeneas, a Trojan who travelled to Italy, where he became the ancestor of the Romans. It comprises 9,896 lines in dactylic hexameter. Oh I see where I went wrong
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Jan 15, 2016 15:02
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Jan 15, 2016 15:04
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blue squares posted:Oh I see where I went wrong 
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Paradox for the sake of argument what is the best book you ever read and why is it the best book you ever read Also for the sake of the argument (because how do you even judge something like this?) I am going to go with Jane Eyre. I do not think you will find my argument satisfactory but it's the best I can do. It was very touching, probably the only book that actually made me almost cry, for starters. I loved reading about the development of this young girl and the story of her life, struggling against all these difficulties she comes across because I am a complete sucker for unfortunate persons fighting their way through their misfortunes. I saw in Rochester the ancestor of all those trashy romance novels about bad boys, which was interesting, and felt honestly spooked when Bertha made her first appearance. I guess generally speaking the plot and the characters really drew me in. I liked the proto-feminist message (but I like even more how a more detailed one is presented in Wide Sargasso Sea) and the almost Disney-like moral that you can struggle your way through the direst hardships. I liked how her friend from school was depicted as very forgiving and somewhat wise in doing so, but also as a complete pushover who swallowed injustices thrown against her with nary a thought. It may also be worth pointing out that I think the English-speaking world teaches literature in a very different way than I learned it in my Italian schools. They just tell us what the meaning behind works is meant to be here, and while they don't spit in your face if you happen to notice a different one, it's not particularly encouraged.
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Jan 15, 2016 15:10
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You should read Il Gattopardo
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Jan 15, 2016 15:12
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Paradox for the sake of argument what is the best book you ever read and why is it the best book you ever read
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Jan 15, 2016 15:12
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I recommend Baudolino.
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Jan 15, 2016 15:13
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My two favourite books are Dead Souls and Herodotus' Histories. My fav records are Chico Buarque's Construção and Silvio Rodríguez's Días y Flores. I don't watch a lot of films but my favourite film is The Good, The Bad & The Ugly
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paradoxGentleman posted:It may also be worth pointing out that I think the English-speaking world teaches literature in a very different way than I learned it in my Italian schools. They just tell us what the meaning behind works is meant to be here, and while they don't spit in your face if you happen to notice a different one, it's not particularly encouraged. Nah that's how it works here too
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Jan 15, 2016 15:24
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Ras Het posted:I'm reading Jorge Amado. A lot of his books are about fat old guys falling in love with pretty young girls and they make telenovelas of them I read his book Tereza Batista last year and it was pretty much a 600 page telenovela about a fat old guy falling in love and abusing the gently caress out of a pretty young girl. it was, uhh, professionally written, I guess, but I wouldn't say it left me wanting to read another page of his stuff. Unlike Achebe 
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Jan 15, 2016 16:32
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Jan 15, 2016 16:37
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Jorge Amado owns read Dona Flor
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Jan 15, 2016 16:38
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what is surreal literature
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Jan 15, 2016 16:39
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paradoxGentleman posted:
huh, i've hung out with a lot of italians (southern europe, oy!) and even the ones that weren't big readers were much more snobbish about Real Literature than the good goons on http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3643994. i think this is a phenomenon worth exploring further (nah). Mel Mudkiper posted:Jorge Amado owns nah, i'll read books by authors i've enjoyed or think i'll enjoy instead. i know he has his fans, but it's not my life goal to become one. Burning Rain fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 15, 2016 16:40
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paradoxGentleman posted:I swear that I am not trying to troll you people. I just want to know. I know I was just amused at the irony that you haven't read the thread about reading better, otherwise you'd have already read this argument repeated a bunch. I think the simplest answer is read a wide variety of stuff that challenges you, don't worry about if the thing is "real" literature or not. The thread title is just to get a rise out of people, you don't have to worry about us giving the stamp of approval to what you read. If you are interested, there's a ton of recommendations as well earlier in the thread. Like just skim any random few pages of this thread - even this page - and type the things people are talking about into google and see if they interest you, then check them out of the library. It's super easy!
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Burning Rain posted:nah, i'll read books by authors i've enjoyed or think i'll enjoy instead. i know he has his fans, but it's not my life goal to become one. Dona Flor fucks a ghost its cool Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 15, 2016 16:44
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Putting words in people's mouths What is this, if on winters night a traveler?
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Jan 15, 2016 16:48
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Cloks posted:What is this, if on winters night a traveler? ?
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Jan 15, 2016 16:49
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You quoted someone else and attributed it to me (unless awful app is loving up) If on winters night a traveler is all second person - it tells the reader what they're doing. You told me what I said so second person yadda yadda, attempt at joke.
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Jan 15, 2016 16:56
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Cloks posted:You quoted someone else and attributed it to me (unless awful app is loving up) wow what the gently caress how did that happen
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Jan 15, 2016 16:58
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i triggered you with my dislike of Amado, so you don't even want to see my username 
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Jan 15, 2016 16:59
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"What?" -Richard Nixon
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Jan 15, 2016 17:12
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but seriously though folks she really does gently caress a ghost
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Jan 15, 2016 17:21
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Mel Mudkiper posted:but seriously though folks she really does gently caress a ghost
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Jan 15, 2016 17:25
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I've spent time reading formulaic genre fiction of the Middle Ages. I say genre fiction, but really there wasn't so much of a ridiculous highbrow/lowbrow real/fake literature distinction in them days. For that I blame Dante and Chaucer. There's stuff you can use in a formula. There's even virtue in a formula, in conforming in some rigid way to audience expectations (hint: it allows you to make people really uncomfortable, if only for a short space of time). But even modern formulaic books don't know how to do that. So much of it is just trash. Even, perhaps especially, the A-grade stuff by more successful authors who get told they're geniuses and think they've hit the apex of Technique. PS all good highbrow/lowbrow lit ventures outside the parameters of 'high' and 'low' where they would otherwise be comfortable.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:but seriously though folks she really does gently caress a ghost 
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Jan 15, 2016 17:31
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I just bought Los Detectives Salvajes by Roberto Bolano and it took me almost six minutes to read the first page. I may have been overambitious
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blue squares posted:I just bought Los Detectives Salvajes by Roberto Bolano and it took me almost six minutes to read the first page. I may have been overambitious You stuck with it more than some people I know edit: I say some but I mean one
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blue squares posted:I just bought Los Detectives Salvajes by Roberto Bolano and it took me almost six minutes to read the first page. I may have been overambitious Didn't like this one nearly as much as 2666 The ending pages are cool though
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I am reading it in Spanish in case that wasn't clear. Also I loving hated 2666 in English. I also have the graphic novel Maus in Spanish which is a lot easier to read with the pictures for context
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