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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:I misinterpreted Palpatines plan. Given the context of the Prophecy I assumed Anakin was vital to him. Did Palpy ever hint that he cares about the Prophecy? He seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't care too much about some dumb Jedi prophecy.
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I don't think Billy Dee can even walk anymore. He probably isn't interested in doing another film.
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:I misinterpreted Palpatines plan. Given the context of the Prophecy I assumed Anakin was vital to him. (The way I see it,) Anakin is vital to the Force. Palpatine has his own plan, which Anakin is a part of simply because of his power and emotional malleability. The possibility of premature death is irrelevant, maybe even nonexistent, since the Force (or, "the plot", if you want to be crass) is guiding Skywalker to destroy the Jedi-Sith/Light-Dark dichotomy.
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MrMojok posted:I don't think Billy Dee can even walk anymore. He probably isn't interested in doing another film. His physical condition aside, I'd assume he could probably use the six figure paycheck. He wouldn't actually get millions for playing Lando again would he? I'd think Ford and Hamill are the only two who could have held out for that kind of money.
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Effectronica posted:I'm the psychic here, buddy, and I won't even bother revealing what I've learned about you and your disgusting personal habits. Your posts are some of the most petty and hateful vomit I've ever seen in this forum.
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Totbot posted:Did Palpy ever hint that he cares about the Prophecy? He seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't care too much about some dumb Jedi prophecy. I don't think it's ever shown that he even knows about it.
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Here's one thing I noticed after watching AOTC for the first time in probably a decade: Owen Lars actually is Luke's uncle.
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CelticPredator posted:Ya'll forgot Maz. Well of course. Semi-recent discussion has shown how Lucas is able to craft nuanced characters with a minimum of screen-time and dialogue. Zam Wessel and Grievous are strong examples - not because they are 'deep', but because we're shown their idiosyncratic behaviours in a sociopolitical context. Their actions are influenced by, for example, the racism against droids and aliens. Grievous is both a robot and an rear end in a top hat. Maz looks like a child, straight-up. The character does not look like an old woman. Her 'glasses' look like kid Anakin's googles, and she's less wrinkly than other alien characters. Maz also doesn't dress as a bartender, or like she even has a job. She wears the Star Wars equivalent of blue jeans and a t-shirt. He castle doesn't look like a pub on the outside, and not really on the inside either. The best indication of Maz's character is that she has a statue to herself in the front of the place, creating the distinct impression that this is a church devoted to herself, and this - combined with her casual/childish clothing - makes her into one of those 'hip' preachers. In short, Maz is the worst character in Star Wars history. Terrorist Fistbump posted:Lotta fake cynics in the Star Wars thread. I'm beginning to think that Star Wars fans do not actually like Star Wars. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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JohnnySavs posted:Er, lead the Jedi to Kamino? The system that's been deleted from the Jedi archives? The system that only is discovered because Obi-Wan happened to know a diner owner that happened to be familiar with Kamino weaponry from his time 'prospecting'? It's not exactly carefully hidden. Sure, there's a chance Obi-Wan might not figure it out, just as there was a chance some of the Tie Fighters might have got lucky and shot down the Falcon before it got to Yavin.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In short, Maz is the worst character in Star Wars history. 
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So far the only thing I've taken away from this thread is that I should see Creed.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well of course. Maz is rife with idiosyncrasies. She is an enigma, who continually defies each precedent set by the film. She is a hermit, yet she is surrounded by friends, colleagues, and acquaintances. She is renowned and revered as royalty to roughnecks like Han, yet she dresses and comports herself humbly. She is in tune with the Force, yet she does not follow the light or dark side, something that has never been seen in Star Wars. She is the oldest person we've ever seen, yet she crawls across the table like a child. Is Maz the embodiment of a "balanced" Force?
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Yaws posted:A bold statement. The worst Star Wars character has always been and will always be this guy: Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAw-G8G07ew
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That's actually the line I was thinking about when I made that post. He is just the worst.
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Yaws posted:A bold statement. The worst Star Wars character has always been and will always be this guy: No, that guy actually rules. The difference is when you can tell things about a character from their design and their actions. His crown/headress thing, for example, is not even a functional hat. When seen from the side, his bald head is completely exposed. The guy is a perfect self-important doofus.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well of course. The first impression I got from seeing Maz, and this is before knowing about Jabrams teacher of whatever, was Estelle Getty. She didn't really come off as childlike at all.
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The most recent thing I could find about Williams' health is that he left Dancing With the Stars in mid-2014 because of back problems. So while that does sound like he has some health problems, there's a big difference between doing a dance competition where you are practicing for hours a day and just like, standing around acting. Unless his health has deteriorated even further since then. I still believe...
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No, that guy actually rules. The difference is when you can tell things about a character from their design and their actions. He dresses like an Antipope, sounds like he's about to start screaming about Godzilla, and works as the head of a powerful commerce guild. He's a mess of contradictions.
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Phylodox posted:So far the only thing I've taken away from this thread is that I should see Creed. Yeah Creed owns and does the soft reboot idea way better than Star Wars VII does. That being said I do like Star Wars VII but not as much as Hateful Eight.
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Yaws posted:He dresses like an Antipope, sounds like he's about to start screaming about Godzilla, and works as the head of a powerful commerce guild. He's a mess of contradictions. I don't see how those are contradictions. The latter two describe "Japanese Businessman" pretty well, actually.
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His hat revive me more of something from Shilla-era Korea than something papal.
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computer parts posted:I don't see how those are contradictions. The latter two describe "Japanese Businessman" pretty well, actually. Good point. I can see how a stereotypical 1980's Japanese businessman that dresses like the pope could be interesting.
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Harime Nui posted:They didn't have to do this but they basically ruined Quentin Tarantino's christmas. So just as the Vikings got hosed by the hand of God for ruining the christmas of Eli Manning, gently caress these guys. Tarantino isn't exactly a saint in real life, and he's not exactly a starving artist, either. He was a fool for thinking he could cut out half the month of a Star Wars release for a relatively marketing-lean film featuring intentionally unlikable characters. Having said that, I will say both movies are awesome (though the crazy excessive action half of H8 was a bit meh)
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I think a lot of people just don't know what a viceroy is, though they show it pretty clearly in the film. It means essentially a guy who is granted all the power of a king while not actually being the king - and that sums up Nute's character pretty well.
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Yaws posted:He dresses like an Antipope, sounds like he's about to start screaming about Godzilla, and works as the head of a powerful commerce guild. He's a mess of contradictions. Why wouldn't the head of a commerce guild be bedecked in opulent-yet-useless fashion?
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Harime Nui posted:It's really loving hilarious I keep saying "hey, Disney slapped Tarantino on his face" and you keep saying "Tarantino's rich! He's got money! He's got money!" so the gently caress what, when you pass a certain wealth threshold you stop being human? I'm catching up on the thread atm so I know this was a few pages back but... Lol.
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Are we supposed to care about nute? Are we supposed to care about black body guard? There are so many characters. Too many. Also Maz is cool and funny.
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I wonder if Finn getting upset, and going "Jakku? Why does everyone insist on going back to Jakku?" is an in-joke, referencing how often they went back to Tatooine.MrMojok posted:I don't think Billy Dee can even walk anymore. He probably isn't interested in doing another film. Wasn't he just on Modern Family?
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rear end Catchcum posted:Are we supposed to care about nute? Are we supposed to care about black body guard? There are so many characters. Too many. Maz is awesome and has a lot of neat characterization if you bother to look. It's kind of weird that the same people who have defended the PT with "there's more to storytelling than just dialogue" are now impotently jumping up and down on TFA, a movie where an elaborate but fitting story was composed for every minor character to inform the SFX, writing, and improv.
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Neurolimal posted:Tarantino isn't exactly a saint in real life, and he's not exactly a starving artist, either. He was a fool for thinking he could cut out half the month of a Star Wars release for a relatively marketing-lean film featuring intentionally unlikable characters. Wasn't very sure why he even released H8 while Star Wars was in theaters. Everyone should've just cleared right the gently caress out of the way.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I'm beginning to think that Star Wars fans do not actually like Star Wars. 
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Neurolimal posted:Maz is awesome and has a lot of neat characterization if you bother to look. It's kind of weird that the same people who have defended the PT with "there's more to storytelling than just dialogue" are now impotently jumping up and down on TFA, a movie where an elaborate but fitting story was composed for every minor character to inform the SFX, writing, and improv. That EU stuff doesn't come across in the actual film.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That EU stuff doesn't come across in the actual film. What are you talking about. I don't read any eu stuff and I was completely satisfied by Maz
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That EU stuff doesn't come across in the actual film. You're wrong about Maz Kanata.
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Well, feel free to describe all of Maz's 'neat characterization'.
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Neurolimal posted:Tarantino isn't exactly a saint in real life, and he's not exactly a starving artist, either. He was a fool for thinking he could cut out half the month of a Star Wars release for a relatively marketing-lean film featuring intentionally unlikable characters. I think the issue is more Disney making the theater renege on the agreement they had with Tarantino by threatening to pull Star Wars from every theater in their 'chain'.
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Did the theater sign a contract?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No, that guy actually rules. The difference is when you can tell things about a character from their design and their actions. This is why the old Visual Dictionaries were my favorite, because everyone's character came across in their clothing, even extras: 
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Also they literally say - and this flew over my head as a kid - that REPUBLIC SENATORS HAVE SEX SLAVES AND ARE CORRUPT
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