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Yes, and that makes the gods monstrously exploitative, but the setting doesn't treat them as such, which makes no sense.
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Please, please, let's not get into the "Wall of the Faithless is evil/justified" argument. Nothing good ever comes of it.
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There's no real argument to be had. Rand is just plain correct. It's writing-by-committee and it's thematically incoherent as a result  No one's ever accused Forgotten Realms of being a good setting though.
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Jan 14, 2016 08:58
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FR is super depressing in a way; it was never meant to be Elminster is So Great, Let's All go to Cormyr Again: The Series. It was supposed to be a world of heroic one-offs where anything could happen, so big that every culture in every climate existed and every adventure could be had, from wheeling and dealing in Amn to intriguing in Waterdeep to killing Red Wizards in Rashemen to whatever the hell people do in Halruua. There's even a jungle continent full of snakemen! And a country full of snakemen in disguise where paranoia is a way of life! There's a whole inland sea where you can be a pirate, and every city state is different! I just wish people would look at the actually interesting parts.
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Jan 14, 2016 09:20
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Jan 14, 2016 10:07
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Ebberron is in the top 3 D&D settings along with Dark Sun and Planescape. The only thing I've never managed to do is figure out which order they go in.
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Jan 14, 2016 10:29
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I'll always resent Eberron because Rich wad runner up in that contest.
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Jan 14, 2016 12:02
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Mr. Kelemvor, tear down this Wall
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Rygar201 posted:I'll always resent Eberron because Rich wad runner up in that contest. If Burlew had won, Order of the Stick probably would never have gone past the dungeon of Dorukan as he'd be too busy. Who knows if it would have been worth it.
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Jan 14, 2016 13:27
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What was Rich's contest entry?
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NihilCredo posted:What was Rich's contest entry? Under an NDA. Wizards took ownership of all three finalists (Rich got 20k all-up for coming runner-up and expanding on it for the final judging, he wrote about 125k words) and Burlew's taken the NDA seriously. He's never said a peep about what it actually involved, except that a few elements have made their way into 'Races of...' and Dragon articles. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Jan 14, 2016 14:02
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NihilCredo posted:What was Rich's contest entry? A module introducing Sir Thumb and his Digit Knight class. It mostly focusses on his crusade against glass.
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wiegieman posted:FR is super depressing in a way; it was never meant to be Elminster is So Great, Let's All go to Cormyr Again: The Series. It was supposed to be a world of heroic one-offs where anything could happen, so big that every culture in every climate existed and every adventure could be had, from wheeling and dealing in Amn to intriguing in Waterdeep to killing Red Wizards in Rashemen to whatever the hell people do in Halruua. There's even a jungle continent full of snakemen! And a country full of snakemen in disguise where paranoia is a way of life! There's a whole inland sea where you can be a pirate, and every city state is different! I just wish people would look at the actually interesting parts. e: Mask of the Betrayer immediately got 1000x more interesting just for not being set around the loving Sword Coast
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Rygar201 posted:I'll always resent Eberron because Rich wad runner up in that contest.
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Rich's setting would have to be absurdly good to make up for the loss of both OotS and Eberron, so I'm okay with how things turned out. I'll always be curious about it, though.
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Jan 14, 2016 21:48
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not to mention keith baker got a friendly cameo in Start of Darkness. i dont think theres ever been any particular animosity between them, at most its a joking rivals deal
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My Lovely Horse posted:D&D video games will forever be set around the loving Sword Coast and you will take on the role of a dirt farmer who goes on to be a paladin (you can technically play other classes but the game is written around one but hey TOTALLY YOUR CHOICE) and you will like it, bitch Yeah FR is a perfectly good setting loaded with tons of cool poo poo that doesn't get used enough. Being set in Rashemen, rad land of fancy ghost animals everywhere was seriously a point in Mask's favor.
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Jan 14, 2016 21:55
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Small things about FR are fun too: fly, teleport, and other magical travel are virtually certain to gently caress up for travel except in emergencies, making places culturally disconnected in spite of the absurd numbers of high level casters around.
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Jan 14, 2016 22:23
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I've stopped playing D&D years and years ago. OoTS is way more valuable to me then another D&D setting that would get lost in edition wars.
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Guys, guys, guys. It's okay. I was being flippant. I promise all of you that I have lost no sleep over this. The extent of my resentment is literally remembering that it was even A Thing when I read the word Eberron.
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Captain Oblivious posted:There's no real argument to be had. Rand is just plain correct. It's writing-by-committee and it's thematically incoherent as a result Fartgotten Realms.
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Naramyth posted:I've stopped playing D&D years and years ago. OoTS is way more valuable to me then another D&D setting that would get lost in edition wars. Are we talking about the same Forgotten Realms? Because not only have they survived, but became the default setting.
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ikanreed posted:Are we talking about the same Forgotten Realms? Because not only have they survived, but became the default setting. Reading this makes me want to get killed by my lieutenant, come back as a god, get trapped in a prison demi-plane, break out into the city of doors, and rewrite all of the DnD cosmology so that the Forgotten Realms doesn't exist any more.
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ikanreed posted:Are we talking about the same Forgotten Realms? Because not only have they survived, but became the default setting. No, whatever setting Rich had, and the opportunity cost of losing OoTS for it.
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A.o.D. posted:Reading this makes me want to get killed by my lieutenant, come back as a god, get trapped in a prison demi-plane, break out into the city of doors, and rewrite all of the DnD cosmology so that the Forgotten Realms doesn't exist any more. It's German for "The Vecna, The".
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Carrasco posted:It's German for "The Vecna, The". Ironically in Die Vecna Die. It is impossible for Vecna to die. He ether becomes the all powerful controller of all reality, or he powers up to a lesser god and changes the rules of the universe around a bit.
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My Lovely Horse posted:D&D video games will forever be set around the loving Sword Coast and you will take on the role of a dirt farmer who goes on to be a paladin (you can technically play other classes but the game is written around one but hey TOTALLY YOUR CHOICE) and you will like it, bitch 
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For all of its technical problems I loved the hell out of Temple of Elemental Evil (the pc game). It was a fairly solid and reasonably nuanced tactical tabletop simulation. The elemental nodes were a bit underwhelming but otherwise it was pretty cool.
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Poil posted:I'll have you know the protagonist in NVN2 was farming swamp and not dirt. One of NWN2's biggest problems was the total lack of self-awareness. Or rather, the lack of self-awareness in all the dialogue options. Basically what I wanted to do was play as Tarmas.
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Jan 15, 2016 14:54
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Librarian is a better background than you get in most rpgs.
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A.o.D. posted:For all of its technical problems I loved the hell out of Temple of Elemental Evil (the pc game). It was a fairly solid and reasonably nuanced tactical tabletop simulation With excruciatingly slow animations. Why, yes, I want it to take 12 seconds to execute a kick when I'm playing a lightning fast monk with flurry activated so that I can observe how sweet it looks. Ugh.
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rocketrobot posted:With excruciatingly slow animations. Why, yes, I want it to take 12 seconds to execute a kick when I'm playing a lightning fast monk with flurry activated so that I can observe how sweet it looks. Ugh. If it could be described as "polish" then ToEE lacked it. The game's only positive quality was that it was a very good implementation of the D&D 3.5 <b>rules</b>.
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Talk about backhanded compliments
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My Lovely Horse posted:Talk about backhanded compliments Well, you say that, but implementing an extremely complex system that usually relies on a bit of human-style judgement calls in a relatively accurate and comparatively playable manner is a respectable achievement.
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Jan 15, 2016 22:33
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What's the best class to play in NWN2?
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Who What Now posted:What's the best class to play in NWN2? Cleric probably. The encounters mostly aren't conducive to blasting, and enemies are actually often highly resistant to the save-or-dies present in the game. You get basically unlimited rests whenever you want though, so cleric can burn through most things by hyperbuffing themselves. Also never use Quara if you do this, because she will happily throw an AoE Dispel Magic at you as you wade into battle, then fireball you for good measure. Because she's awful.
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ikanreed posted:Well, you say that, but implementing an extremely complex system that usually relies on a bit of human-style judgement calls in a relatively accurate and comparatively playable manner is a respectable achievement. Edit Oh, and they actually finished their Keep on the Borderlands total conversion. Which is actually pretty loving impressive.
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Who What Now posted:What's the best class to play in NWN2? Absolutely not a rogue because their one class feature is useless.
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