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Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
Libertarians trying to recreate Galt's Gulch will never not be funny.

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Violet_Sky
Dec 5, 2011



Fun Shoe
Isn't Canadian everything :supaburn: DYING :supaburn:? We should just let the US swallow us up at this point.

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Violet_Sky posted:

Isn't Canadian everything :supaburn: DYING :supaburn:? We should just let the US swallow us up at this point.

No.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
The last thing we need given the current state of the world is to fully integrate with a country that's a lot more comfortable with letting its citizens go completely broke and die in a gutter when their luck runs out.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I don't want to pay for other people's idiot housing debt.

I'm a dog not the CMHC!!!

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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For the low low price of an energy pipeline to the pacific and the removal of all investment restrictions we too can be shackled to an autocracy with a sinking economy

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Don't worry, their system enables them to turn their economy on a dime. Things'll work out I'm sure.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Fojar38 posted:

a sinking economy

You have a funny definition of sinking. Their stock markets are crazy but a big part is because they're growing so quickly. I look forward to seeing Trudeau say no to an administration he really admires and one of the only things he could actually do to improve our GDP.

quote:

China's economic growth is expected to slow to 6.5 per cent in 2016 from a forecast 6.9 per cent in 2015, prompting the government to ease policy further, a Reuters poll showed.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I, too, unironically believe numbers posted by the CCP.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Don't worry, given the market turmoil the only solution is to cut the BoC rate and loosen restrictions on real estate purchases even further. So say we all.

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

jm20 posted:

Don't worry, given the market turmoil the only solution is to cut the BoC rate and loosen restrictions on real estate purchases even further. So say we all.

And then we'll find out who's a joker AND a thief.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Fojar38 posted:

I, too, unironically believe numbers posted by the CCP.

I'm sure Justin will do his due diligence.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

THC posted:

Don't worry, their system enables them to turn their economy on a dime. Things'll work out I'm sure.

I really envy that.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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flakeloaf posted:

I really envy that.

If only we could live in a dictatorship also.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
What possible benefit could China think they could be providing us with a free trade agreement? Do they have import tariffs, protecting their local lumber, mineral and energy producers.

Even if you approach it from a neo-liberal globalization point of view, there is nothing but a huge concession to them for no benefit to us.

Gorau
Apr 28, 2008

ocrumsprug posted:

What possible benefit could China think they could be providing us with a free trade agreement? Do they have import tariffs, protecting their local lumber, mineral and energy producers.

Even if you approach it from a neo-liberal globalization point of view, there is nothing but a huge concession to them for no benefit to us.

I doubt it has anything at all to do with tariffs. Free trade deals nowadays have more to do with investor protection clauses than tariffs.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gorau posted:

I doubt it has anything at all to do with tariffs. Free trade deals nowadays have more to do with investor protection clauses than tariffs.

True, but that is generally the later clauses that they hope no one bothers to read. How much investment from Canada is happening in China, that they could possibly have enough leverage to get us to sign something with them?

Gorau
Apr 28, 2008

ocrumsprug posted:

True, but that is generally the later clauses that they hope no one bothers to read. How much investment from Canada is happening in China, that they could possibly have enough leverage to get us to sign something with them?

Very little investment. China probably wants a bunch of assurances that its investments are protected, probably a reduction in the foreign investor restrictions, and probably some sort of tax agreement. They're probably going to offer preferential access to their own market as a carrot in exchange for that last point.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
Some bright news among all the gloom and doom today: Laura Miller has raised 60k in three weeks for her legal defence. It's a Christmas miracle.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Ikantski posted:

Can't trans people join the gay-straight alliance? One thing is your self-identified gender and the other is your sexual preference right? Another article says the students can name it whatever they want so I guess my question is what else would you like to see them offer on top of that?

You've actually pointed out the problem yourself. Sexual orientation isn't gender/gender identity/gender expression. Basically, there's no end of tension and conflict between the groups seen as being under the queer or LGBT umbrella. Frequently and often gay and lesbian groups have refused to support/dropped support for trans (and bisexual) people in order to make their positions more politically palatable and make themselves seem more normal. That's how you end up with groups supporting sexual orientation being protected under the Charter, but not gender identity or gender expression like those disgusting transsexuals.

Because of that, gay is not a welcoming or inclusive term for trans people. It doesn't represent us, and groups that use that language are often at best paying lip service to trans people. Having a specific GSA is saying "trans kids not welcome" in so many ways. However, if you're right - and the specific use of GSA was just in the quote I responded to - then I retract my criticism. That works, even if it's not perfect. The CBC article about that bigoted Catholic bishop mentions queer-straight associations, which are a much better term.

PS: You're right that many trans people can also be involved in GLB groups because of their sexual orientation. The reasons for that are far too long for this thread, but the point isn't that trans people can't participate - the problem is that trans people are excluded from focusing on their trans identity and trans issues in a space that is supposed to be designed for those issues and identities.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

GSA is just a generic term for "the queer club". The policy is clearly not designed or intended to exclude trans people. Calm down.

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jan 15, 2016

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

THC posted:

GSA is just a generic term for "the queer club". The policy is clearly not designed or intended to exclude trans people. Calm down.

You don't get it, THC, if every little personality quirk doesn't have a support group specifically for it how will they feel special. :ohdear:

Thankfully a lot of trans people are fed up with this divisive bullshit and trying to distance themselves from the vocal wackjobs.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Certainly there's a possibility that some of these clubs could end up excluding trans kids by the actions of their members and school staff. That's a healthy, well-founded concern and something people will need to look out for. Transphobia within the gay community and by supposed "allies" is a very real problem. But I don't think the fact that the clubs are called GSAs is cause for concern in and of itself. The term "gay-straight alliance" dates back to a time when gay rights were still on the frontier of public discourse; transgender rights weren't even on the radar for most people. Today it's understood to include other gender and sexual minorities. I volunteer at a support group which is nominally for "gay men and youth" and it's very inclusive and accommodating of trans, gender fluid, genderqueer, etc.


Also Jesus Christ there are actual people who really do think the swarthy dudes taking photos in the mall are Literal Terrorists unless proven otherwise. You loving pussy liberal cuckolds won't be so PC when one of them lops off your head while raping you and detonating his bomb vest! All because the police were afraid to be called racist by politically correct liberals!

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jan 16, 2016

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

:siren: STAND DOWN ACTION STATIONS. SET CONDITION THREE. :siren:

quote:

Vancouver Police have identified and spoken to the three men who were seen taking 360 videos and photos of exits and entrances of downtown Vancouver’s Pacific Centre shopping mall on January 12.

According to a police statement, investigators have determined that the men’s actions were “completely innocent”.

“The information was part of an internal police bulletin circulated amongst police officers throughout the province of BC,” the statement reads. “All three men were cooperative with investigators and they had a very logical explanation regarding their behaviour.”

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




gently caress the media, and gently caress vancouverites

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Even so...

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jan 16, 2016

Majuju
Dec 30, 2006

I had a beer with Stephen Miller once and now I like him.
Hopefully those guys are trying to determine the source of the weird-rear end ozone smell that is persistently present at the Dunsmuir Street entrance, it's really strange and bothers me every morning when I walk past.

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

THC posted:

Even so...


Spending 2 minutes googling Louis Paquette and his business Traffic-Fusion.biz make me give very few shits what he thinks about what people do in public

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Majuju posted:

Hopefully those guys are trying to determine the source of the weird-rear end ozone smell that is persistently present at the Dunsmuir Street entrance, it's really strange and bothers me every morning when I walk past.

The AC system vents right around there.

Majuju
Dec 30, 2006

I had a beer with Stephen Miller once and now I like him.

Rime posted:

The AC system vents right around there.

Yeah it might be something new from when they put in that Meinhardt shithole. Can't remember it being present before then.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
I'm sure the dudes were just doing recon for a counterstrike map.

Also would anyone have cared if they were white?

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Nope. Certainly we wouldn't have racists VIGILANT PATRIOTS :canada: coming out of the woodwork to scream about ISIS rapefugee's coming to cut our heads off.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

cowofwar posted:

I'm sure the dudes were just doing recon for a counterstrike map.

Also would anyone have cared if they were white?

Depends. If I start taking a bunch of photos around a bank or jewelry store I would expect a chat with someone about it.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
I thought it wasn't racist in 2016 to assume young straight single brown men pose an elevated threat?

Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jan 16, 2016

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Ikantski posted:

I thought it wasn't racist in 2016 to assume young straight single brown men pose an elevated threat?

Even if that made some kind of sense, all you have here are "brown men", none of those other details are going be determined by grainy CCTV footage.

If we're now comfortable enough with racial profiling to proceed from there, then sure, go nuts. But remind me the ethnicity of the people involved in say, the last three (attempted) "terror attacks" in Canada.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
I was just taking a poke at Trudeau's discriminatory refugee plan.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-refugee-resettlement-plan-no-single-men

If that's federal security policy, I won't give the police much guff for this one.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Welp. Ya got me.

I'm curious how this got escalated to "make a press release asking for public help and incite a panic" though. It seems like perhaps there is a way to look into a few guys taking pictures that doesn't go that far.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

Ikantski posted:

I was just taking a poke at Trudeau's discriminatory refugee plan.

Legit sucks for the single dudes trying to get out, but to be a bit ethically clinical about it it really does make sense to help the families/women+kids first.

In a perfect world we should help everyone who needs it, but this isn't a perfect world.

Doubt anybody anticipated the Europe thing but it's looking like a very clever political move to screen out single guys.

RedFlag
Nov 22, 2007

infernal machines posted:

I'm curious how this got escalated to "make a press release asking for public help and incite a panic" though. It seems like perhaps there is a way to look into a few guys taking pictures that doesn't go that far.

Apparently never the intention - there was an internal leak to media that forced their hands. Link.

Blame the individual for releasing this. Or the media or jumping on it. Or us for still talking about it.

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Okay, that makes more sense.

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