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South Vietnam just underwent the coup that overthrew and killed Ngo Dinh Diem, and if history remains accurate, will undergo another one when Duong Van Minh in turn is ousted. It'll be hard to reach out to "South Vietnamese leadership" about anything right now. edit: Also, the page for 1964 civilian leader Nguyen Ngoc Tho is a featured article and explains everything he did, but just admits that his activities after the coup are unknown and doesn't have a death date. SUSPICIOUS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyễn_Ng&%237885;c_Th&%23417; Corek has issued a correction as of 01:47 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Homework Explainer posted:1. It's time to show solidarity with our Viet Cong comrades in the North. Supply Ho Chi Minh's brave fighters with advanced military hardware, and drive the imperialist dogs out of Indochina. Goldwater wins all 50 states, defeating the military Democrat placeholder government after your execution
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Jan 15, 2016 01:47
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fade5 posted:So you're saying we only have to prop up South Vietnam for another year? Yeah, that. Admit to the North Vietnamese as much if you have to if you 1) think it will work and 2) it won't come back to us.
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Jan 15, 2016 01:53
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Why try and get the NVA leadership when we can go after the generals and have them convince entire platoons or battalions whatever to defect. Weren't most of them poor guys who had no idea what was going on anyway? Go after the masses.
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Jan 15, 2016 01:59
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rakovsky maybe posted:1) How should you modify your strategy in Vietnam? This, and keep the Mansfield option others are suggesting. Also might want to keep tabs on what the brass is telling us. Don't want them making up engagements to squeeze America into a war it doesn't want. quote:2) Should Robert Kennedy’s commission have access to classified CIA information? And have McCone run that crap past my desk while you're at it, I don't want any surprises if Kennedy gets mad about something.
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Jan 15, 2016 03:22
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don Jaime posted:This, and keep the Mansfield option others are suggesting. Also might want to keep tabs on what the brass is telling us. Don't want them making up engagements to squeeze America into a war it doesn't want. Changing my votes to these.
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Jan 15, 2016 04:19
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Deploy the U.S.S. Loose Change to The Gulf. You know which one.
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Jan 15, 2016 18:58
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Have we heard anything from that guy we sent to Vietnam a while ago? Bernard Fall is the journalist you sent to negotiate with the Vietnamese. He's not having a ton of luck (North Vietnam has no real reason to come to the table at this point) and personally recommends getting the hell out. That might be influenced by the fact that he was chosen by George Ball, who shares the same general sentiment. Golden Bee posted:Deploy the U.S.S. Loose Change to The Gulf. You know which one. I'm anticipating a lot of fun interactions with Israel. EDIT: Just realized you're talking about the Maddox and not the Liberty haha. rakovsky maybe has issued a correction as of 22:55 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 15, 2016 22:51
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I think it's pretty clear it's time to nuke Vietnam.
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Jan 15, 2016 22:55
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Sent a photograph of our massive wang to Ho Chi Minh with a note reading "U want some pho?" He'll respect our manliness and proper pronunciation of his nation's delightful noodle soup
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Jan 15, 2016 22:57
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Xenophon posted:Sent a photograph of our massive wang to Ho Chi Minh with a note reading "U want some pho?" He'll respect our manliness and proper pronunciation of his nation's delightful noodle soup If we can't take the People to Vietnam... what if we take Vietnam to the People?! Pho Soup in every school cafeteria! Replace the Latin curriculum with Eastern Studies! Children are the future god drat it.
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Jan 15, 2016 23:05
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I wonder what the reaction would be of one head of state sending another a photograph dick pic without any context.
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Jan 15, 2016 23:25
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Outrail posted:I wonder what the reaction would be of one head of state sending another a photograph dick pic without any context. Probably something like Angela Merkel's freakout when Dubya started giving her a surprise rubdown
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Jan 15, 2016 23:44
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Gentlemen (there's no ladies in here), while we're spread far too thin in the wake of President Kennedy's un(snicker) untimely demise, that's par for the course in leading the greatest nation on God's Green Earth. What it doesn't mean, however, is that we can't figure out what matters more to us, and ensuring that we aren't just signing a one-year lease on some government housing. Push come to shove, civil rights don't mean a thing if the communists take over because then none of us will have any rights. This means we need to take the hardest of lines against communism, even if we need to trade votes against civil rights to get there. Either we push more troops into Vietnam and triple-down on our endeavors there, or we make it crystal clear that we're only pulling our boys out to avoid the radioactive fallout. If we lose Vietnam, we lose the whole South Pacific. In addition, it's been nice for us to let RFK run around and play detective trying to find the vast conspiracy that did his brother in, but it runs the real risk of him kicking over the wrong stone and setting off an avalanche that ends up burying us. RFK can hold all the tea socials he wants, but if he gets into communist activity he gets nothing. If we haven't already, instruct J. Edgar to keep a closer eye on Robert than he already has been; and if Robert's grief leads him into places he shouldn't be snooping, he might not find his way back to the light.
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Jan 16, 2016 03:16
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D, give a live presidential address in which you admit defeat and formally and unconditionally surrender to North Vietnam. Invite them to send an occupying force and rewrite the US Constitution.
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Jan 16, 2016 03:28
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1: C, we need to get out ASAP and surely we can find some way to look tough on communism between now and election day. 2: B
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Jan 16, 2016 03:33
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Raskolnikov38 posted:1: C, we need to get out ASAP and surely we can find some way to look tough on communism between now and election day. That's a good choice: we'll leave a crater
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Jan 16, 2016 03:43
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fronz posted:That's a good choice: we'll leave a crater I dunno how spoilers work for this game but for the October surprise I want to unleash Chang after Mao detonates a nuke
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Jan 16, 2016 04:13
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I think we should frame Rob as being a communist sympathizer, guilty of JFK's assassination, and then have him shot outside a police station by someone who is then killed in the ensuing shootout. So in that regard let him have a bunch of commie documents so we can leak a copy to someone else and kick off the blame game.
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Jan 16, 2016 05:12
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I'm picturing this part as Lyndon and his advisors getting stinking drunk and just shouting out whatever comes to mind.
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Jan 16, 2016 05:20
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Kavak posted:I'm picturing this part as Lyndon and his advisors getting stinking drunk and just shouting out whatever comes to mind. D, whip out Jumbo on live TV and challenge Ho Chi Minh to a literal pissing contest for Saigon.
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Jan 16, 2016 05:24
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Kavak posted:I'm picturing this part as Lyndon and his advisors getting stinking drunk and just shouting out whatever comes to mind. Including presumably the one bona-fide Red Communist that Hoover could dredge up in the entirety of Washington D.C., there solely to advocate the glorious people's revolution for comic relief.
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Jan 16, 2016 07:01
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1. C 2. B, with a rider that the CIA needs to get their poo poo together and stop loving up or we're going to bomb Yale and put UT in the Ivy League by executive order. Perhaps we should suggest to Hoover that the CIA seems awfully soft on the commies.
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Jan 16, 2016 07:09
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Nessus posted:2. B, with a rider that the CIA needs to get their poo poo together and stop loving up or we're going to bomb Yale and put UT in the Ivy League by executive order. Perhaps we should suggest to Hoover that the CIA seems awfully soft on the commies. No on bombing Yale, yes on FBI raid on Langley.
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Jan 16, 2016 07:19
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Kavak posted:No on bombing Yale, yes on FBI raid on Langley.
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Jan 16, 2016 07:29
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QuoProQuid posted:1. Mike Mansfield Option: Accelerate current diplomatic offensive but make it clear to the Hanoi Government, through our covert channels, that any reduction of force on the American side will need to be met with a similar de-escalation by the North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong. Enlist France to support Ball's drive for a settlement. The United States may be willing to accept a resolution that reduces its influence provided that it also inhibits Chinese political domination over the region. There are a lot of words here, many of them persuasive and most of them competent-sounding. I vote for Plan QuoProQuid.
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Jan 16, 2016 10:09
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Kavak posted:I'm picturing this part as Lyndon and his advisors getting stinking drunk and just shouting out whatever comes to mind. I like to think of this as a window into the mind of greatness. Deftly considering every possibility; even the outlandish!
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Jan 16, 2016 15:06
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QuoProQuid posted:1. Mike Mansfield Option: Accelerate current diplomatic offensive but make it clear to the Hanoi Government, through our covert channels, that any reduction of force on the American side will need to be met with a similar de-escalation by the North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong. Enlist France to support Ball's drive for a settlement. The United States may be willing to accept a resolution that reduces its influence provided that it also inhibits Chinese political domination over the region. 2. C Kennedy's not being tight enough with the information he's been given. If we let him see it, it will leak. If he cries about it, send his commission action shots of Jumbo by the ream in envelopes marked Classified.
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Jan 16, 2016 16:54
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Skeesix posted:2. C Kennedy's not being tight enough with the information he's been given. If we let him see it, it will leak. If he cries about it, send his commission action shots of Jumbo by the ream in envelopes marked Classified. Whatever we do we should include a <TOP SECRET - CLASSIFIED> series of Jumbo shots.
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Jan 16, 2016 19:20
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Outrail posted:Whatever we do we should include a <TOP SECRET - CLASSIFIED> series of Jumbo shots. When questioned, we must reply with certitude.
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Jan 16, 2016 19:53
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1vyelkin posted:D, give a live presidential address in which you admit defeat and formally and unconditionally surrender to North Vietnam. Invite them to send an occupying force and rewrite the US Constitution. 2 Outrail posted:I think we should frame Rob as being a communist sympathizer, guilty of JFK's assassination, and then have him shot outside a police station by someone who is then killed in the ensuing shootout. So in that regard let him have a bunch of commie documents so we can leak a copy to someone else and kick off the blame game.
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Jan 16, 2016 21:25
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vyelkin posted:D, give a live presidential address in which you admit defeat and formally and unconditionally surrender to North Vietnam. Invite them to send an occupying force and rewrite the US Constitution. this is a good alternative to my choices.
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Jan 16, 2016 21:52
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Are you trying to incite Red Dawn? Because this is how you get Red Dawn.
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Jan 16, 2016 22:20
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vyelkin posted:D, give a live presidential address in which you admit defeat and formally and unconditionally surrender to North Vietnam. Invite them to send an occupying force and rewrite the US Constitution. ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Killed by Secret Service II. "You gave in; they held out."
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Jan 17, 2016 02:35
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it's worth going through the peaceful motions but i don't think the north vietnamese are going to let us get away with success. they know they've got the winning hand, they don't want to let us or the military junta in saigon off easy, and they know that embarrassing us wins them a lot of credibility. it's hard to win an election in such circumstances without intentionally escalating a pointless war. but we sure do need to win that election
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oystertoadfish posted:it's worth going through the peaceful motions but i don't think the north vietnamese are going to let us get away with success. they know they've got the winning hand, they don't want to let us or the military junta in saigon off easy, and they know that embarrassing us wins them a lot of credibility. it's hard to win an election in such circumstances without intentionally escalating a pointless war. but we sure do need to win that election As soon as we get all of their leadership in a room. Boom. Suicide bomber. Heh. That'll learn em.
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reignofevil posted:As soon as we get all of their leadership in a room. Boom. Suicide bomber. Okay Sergeant Brody
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Outrail posted:Are you trying to incite Red Dawn? Because this is how you get Red Dawn. a soviet invasion and occupation of the united states would have been objectively better for the american people. this of course would never have happened because the us was and continues to be the imperial aggressor in the world.
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Homework Explainer posted:a soviet invasion and occupation of the united states would have been objectively better for the american people. this of course would never have happened because the us was and continues to be the imperial aggressor in the world. It would have been so great for the American people. The Soviets could have engineered another great famine!
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Not a Step posted:It would have been so great for the American people. The Soviets could have engineered another great famine! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol48ME_kKUw
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