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What does it mean to be in a state economic emergency? Did it give the government extraordinary powers or are they just reiterating that the budget is hosed?
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Traveller posted:Welp. Translation for non-Spanish speakers: "The government of Venezuela has decreed this Friday a 'state of economic emergency' in the entirety of the country in adherence to the Constitution for a period of 60 days, according to the Gaceta Oficial [the publication that prints all laws]". Squalid posted:What does it mean to be in a state economic emergency? Did it give the government extraordinary powers or are they just reiterating that the budget is hosed? This just happened a little while ago so I'm not entirely clear, but Minister of the Economy Luis "Inflation Isn't Real" Salas said that the declaration of emergency means that we're in a period where the traditional "here's the budget for this year" mentally does not work, and that for example the government can allocate "extraordinary resources" to social services. The declaration of emergency also looks like it will allow Ministries to "coordinate with the Venezuelan Central Bank to restrict the flow of the national currency". The state of emergency is supposed to last for 60 days. If I'm not mistaken, this state of emergency is constitutionally the same as the one applied to the border regions, only that it now extends to the entire country. That doesn't necessarily mean that we'll see the same kind of civil liberties restrictions that we're seeing along the border. EDIT: The opposition has been in the National Assembly for barely a week and they've already destroyed the country's economy! Remember also that Maduro is set to speak before the National Assembly tonight at 5:00 PM local time, so it's going to get interesting! Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 15, 2016 19:31
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This declaration of emergency has no real legal background. they're just basically saying it, which will likely serve as an excuse to ask for an enabling act, which they won't get. The executive can declare martial law, which is pretty much what they did in the frontier with Colombia, but that has to be only for a fixed amount of time. The AN has apparently received some decree from the executive branch that will target this economic emergency, but it's very doubtful that it will go through unchallenged. Funny that they are ONLY declaring that the economy is hosed right now, the little shits. It's been on a downward spiral since 2010 if not earlier, and economists everywhere said so. But anyhow, I'm pretty excited to see what the deputies are going to ask Maduro about, this is a golden opportunity to annihilate whatever remains of his acceptance rate and pave the road for an impeachment.
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Jan 15, 2016 22:24
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Any livestream for this that isn't loving VTV? Edit: Oh great, only state media are allowed in, Globovisión and NTN24 use VTV's feed. beer_war fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 15, 2016 22:34
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The economy went to poo poo around 2009 like in the rest of the world but since Chavez didn't have a back up plan or savings or any sort of economic plan other than spending/stealing every single dollar from the $100+ oil barrel it never had a chance of recovering. I'd say 2007 was the last good year Venezuela had economically speaking, at least we had food in the supermarkets, medicines in pharmacies and dealers had cars to sell. And I still remember that idiot Chavez mocking the US/EU for having an economic depression and how it wasn't going to affect us...
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Jan 15, 2016 22:38
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beer_war posted:Any livestream for this that isn't loving VTV? they're the only ones allowed to record inside the AN right now for some reason, every other media channel had their correspondents locked up in the AN's library. It's a "cadena" now so every national channel is now playing the same feed. El Hefe posted:The economy went to poo poo around 2009 like in the rest of the world but since Chavez didn't have a back up plan or savings or any sort of economic plan other than spending/stealing every single dollar from the $100+ oil barrel it never had a chance of recovering. I'd say 2007 was the last good year Venezuela had economically speaking, at least we had food in the supermarkets, medicines in pharmacies and dealers had cars to sell. That was actually Chavez' heyday, right then, 2009. I think that year the oil prices topped out. Anyhow, I found this, I'll post the filled version once the speech is over. 
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Jan 15, 2016 22:57
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 You took out our giant picture of Chávez In case you don't know: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/08/world/americas/removal-of-chavez-images-from-venezuela-capitol-raises-tension.html?_r=0 EDIT: "circumstantial majority of electoral character", talk about being a sour loser. beer_war fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 15, 2016 23:09
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He gifted Ramos Allup a new picture of Bolivar. holy poo poo what a loving idiot.
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Jan 15, 2016 23:14
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I hadn't heard him talk in a while, Jesus, he's putting me to sleep. Loving Allup's "Please, shoot me now." face behind Maduro.
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Jan 15, 2016 23:20
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If I can describe this speech with one word, it is "confused". It for a moment seemed to hint towards accepting the amnesty law, but Maduro is really dancing back and forth between asking for forgiveness and asking for punishment for those indicted.
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Jan 15, 2016 23:25
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"We multiplied the nominal minimum wage"
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Jan 15, 2016 23:50
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He just accused the opposition governors and mayors of not building any houses when he perfectly knows the budget money they get is barely enough to pay the workers wages... He makes me so angry
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Jan 16, 2016 00:24
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beer_war posted:
It was more like You took out the giant 3D Render we made of Bolivar so it looked like the Chávez Family could be his descendants El Hefe posted:He just accused the opposition governors and mayors of not building any houses when he perfectly knows the budget money they get is barely enough to pay the workers wages... Not to mention slowing down (if not halting) the concession of permissions for that kind of project to non-Officialist Governors and Mayors... I'm joining you on the sentiment... Anyways, if I follow my sister's advice of counting sloppy one-liners such as "Palabra Cierta" as "Capuski capubul" (as well as my plan to use the space for the times he misspelled a Foreign name such as "Washington") the Bingo card is going like...  EDIT: He had to Namedrop Serra. AstraSage fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Jan 16, 2016 00:52
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 I didn't quite hear anything that was worth marking as "Capuski Capubul", he did JUST say Robert Serra though. EDIT: It's finally over good god. fnox fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Jan 16, 2016 01:01
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beer_war posted:
I want to see that picture of Bolivar.
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Jan 16, 2016 02:14
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Man, hearing Allup dropping so many truth bombs while standing right beside Maduro is surreal. And the PSUV deputies look uncomfortable as hell... slouching in their chairs, arms crossed, checking their phones... 
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Jan 16, 2016 02:16
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Kurtofan posted:I want to see that picture of Bolivar.  And yes, hearing Henry Ramos Allup absolutely destroy every single thing the Chavismo has ever said during Maduro's presidency, with Maduro sitting literally next to him and this being transmitted by law on EVERY single radio and television channel in the country is more than surreal. It's something I thought I would have never lived to see, or hear.
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Jan 16, 2016 02:25
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I'm partial to this interpretation of our Libertador:
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Jan 16, 2016 02:32
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Oh God, Allup's Rebuttal was so cathartical after the last 3 hours of hearing Maduro drone out...
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Jan 16, 2016 02:38
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Allup was fantastic I love that old crazy man
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Jan 16, 2016 02:57
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That was a speech I thought I would never hear, really. I don't think in the past 17 years there had been a single moment where somebody would be able to speak without any sort of restraints to the Chavismo leadership.
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Jan 16, 2016 03:22
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fnox posted:That was a speech I thought I would never hear, really. I don't think in the past 17 years there had been a single moment where somebody would be able to speak without any sort of restraints to the Chavismo leadership. And he said it right in front of Maduro's face, god that was so beautiful. I was only 12 when Chavez won in 98 so this is really the first time I hear someone telling them how it is right on their faces.
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Jan 16, 2016 03:33
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Is Allup's closing comments somewhere in the international media? holy poo poo I need to post this everywhere it was amazing.
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Jan 16, 2016 04:15
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Anyone care to share?
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Jan 16, 2016 04:29
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JohnGalt posted:Anyone care to share? This was the fastest back-up I could find. It's pasted as a URL format instead of the automatic Video link because the latter erased the timestamp and I didn't want to subject anyone to Three Hours of Maduro (Even though it makes Allup's Half-an-Hour Response feel more wonderful) without a Drinking Game attached. Also it's untranslated: I might try to include an English Transcript of it tomorrow. https://youtu.be/uVkqutrl-F0?t=3h21m30s AstraSage fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Jan 16, 2016 05:47
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I was wondering why the opposition removed Bolivar's portrait, the explanation turns out they are massive racists. http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Venezuela-Opposition-Leader-Image-Made-Simon-Bolivar-Mulato-20160115-0038.html quote:Venezuelan opposition leader and National Assembly head Henry Ramos Allup said Friday that his political rivals had tried to make South American independence leader Simon Bolivar “mulatto” in the portrait previously hung in the National Assembly.
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Jan 16, 2016 07:41
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Chuck Boone posted:I'm partial to this interpretation of our Libertador: I'm Johnny Knoxville. Welcome to Caracas. fnox posted:
Also, I can't wait for a translation of Allup's Comments to surface. MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Jan 16, 2016 09:11
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AstraSage posted:This was the fastest back-up I could find. It's pasted as a URL format instead of the automatic Video link because the latter erased the timestamp and I didn't want to subject anyone to Three Hours of Maduro (Even though it makes Allup's Half-an-Hour Response feel more wonderful) without a Drinking Game attached. Thanks, if you made it through three hours of Maduro droning on, you are a stronger person than I am, but HRA's rebuttal was cathartic as gently caress.
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Jan 16, 2016 10:26
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What's most absurd about the whole Bolivar painting fiasco (beyond how trivial it is compared to the actual problems facing the country) is the fact that it's a non-issue. The pictures of Simon Bolivar that have always been in the National Assembly (and are still there today, and will continue to be there) are the classical depictions of Bolivar, specifically this one:  The portrait above was painted by Peruvian artist Jose Gil de Castro while Bolivar was alive. This is the painting that Simon Bolivar himself recognized as the most accurate depiction of him. In fact, he sent it to a British general named Sir Robert Wilson, along with this note: quote:I am taking the liberty of sending you a portrait of me made in Lima which is the most exact and alike to me. The first National Assembly convened in 1811; it wasn't until after Chavez's death (and around 2012 for Bolivar's images) that contemporary pictures (aside from Bolivar's at the time, I suppose) were put up. Allup pointed out in an interview that not even Jose Tadeo Monagas (likely the country's most unpopular ruler, a tyrant who sent his thugs to storm Congress and murder deputies who were debating whether or not to impeach him in 1848) had the arrogance to put up his picture at the legislature. As Allup has pointed out, the outrage is not that the contemporary pictures of Bolivar and Chavez were removed: the outrage is that they were placed there. It's a non-issue that *gasp* doesn't involve any kind of imperialist conspiracy or racism. AstraSage posted:Also it's untranslated: I might try to include an English Transcript of it tomorrow. If you don't have time to do it tomorrow (or today? or Sunday), I'll have some time on Monday to translate Allup's bit. Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Jan 16, 2016 15:19
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Borneo Jimmy posted:I was wondering why the opposition removed Bolivar's portrait, the explanation turns out they are massive racists. No, it's because it's terrible, it's not what he looks like, and the fact that they exhumed Bolivar's remains to produce something so absurd and abysmal ANY 3D artist would have done better is something every single Venezuelan should be ashamed of, but nah they just wanted Bolivar to look like Chavez. It's a huge offense to our history the way these people use and abuse Bolivar, both his image and teachings to promote their cult. Having a 3D picture of Washington inside Congress would look just as absurd. Amulatar isn't even a word in Spanish. But hey nice shitposting using Telesur, we all know that's where the REAL news come from right?
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Jan 16, 2016 18:13
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Still doesnt change the fact that Allup is in favor of replacing a statue celebrating indigenous resistance with one of imperialism and white supremacy.
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Jan 16, 2016 18:22
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Still doesnt change the fact that Allup is in favor of replacing a statue celebrating indigenous resistance with one of imperialism and white supremacy. Why do you have to replace one statue to put another? Why not put the statue of Guaicaipuro anywhere else instead of taking down the Christopher Columbus one? Like, Christopher Columbus existed, and he was the first true link between the Old World and the Americas, are we seriously going to pretend he wasn't a thing? Sure, he wasn't exactly a good person, but to actually understand what he did wrong, and to understand the struggle of the indigenous people, you have to understand him. To truly generate skepticism and critical thought you have to exhibit the two sides of an argument. Ultimately you're injecting American sensibilities into a Latin American thing, which is btw something that the Chavistas have struggled for years to do and they have never quite pulled it off, starting with a recent census that was the first one in Venezuelan history to ask for the race of those surveyed. 60% of our population is mixed race, and the word "negro" and "catire" to refer to either people of darker or lighter skin respectively are terms of endearment, they're not slurs and aren't intended to be harmful. "Negrear" is a verb in Venezuelan vernacular and it also doesn't carry racial connotations. The reason why Chavistas love to bring this poo poo up is because they thrive in hate. They need to find reasons to hate their enemies for because that's what their speeches are about, they try to collectivize the opposition as a single entity, as an enemy, thus why they use words like "majunches", "escualidos", "escuacas" and "fascistas" to refer to them. But ultimately, the Venezuelan people are tired of this petty political banter, and they showed that in December. We've got bigger problems to worry about than the hurt feelings of foreigners.
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fnox posted:Why do you have to replace one statue to put another? Why not put the statue of Guaicaipuro anywhere else instead of taking down the Christopher Columbus one? Like, Christopher Columbus existed, and he was the first true link between the Old World and the Americas, are we seriously going to pretend he wasn't a thing? Sure, he wasn't exactly a good person, but to actually understand what he did wrong, and to understand the struggle of the indigenous people, you have to understand him. To truly generate skepticism and critical thought you have to exhibit the two sides of an argument.
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Jan 16, 2016 19:17
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I've seen that Sopranos episode
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Jan 16, 2016 19:20
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Borneo Jimmy posted:So you are saying we should we re-erect Nazi monuments in countries they conquered because Hitler was a complex man and we should try to understand him.  Anyhow, I really wanna see what the polls say about Maduro after yesterday. Allup's speech was brilliant in that it's leading the Chavismo leadership to fracture between moderates who want to negotiate, and radicals who want to see Allup burn at the stake.
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Jan 16, 2016 19:28
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beer_war posted:Thanks, if you made it through three hours of Maduro droning on, you are a stronger person than I am, but HRA's rebuttal was cathartic as gently caress. Well, I have to thank playing that Bingo card as it helped me to keep the attention for Two and a Half hours of the speech. Of course I had to go somewhere else, so I missed the last half an hour (I heard it was as predictable as the rest), but then I managed to catch the start of Allup's Rebuttal with a bigger audience: And like my mother said about it and the Proclamation on the 5th, these are the kind of event any Venezuelan had to witness live. On that note, Chuck Boone posted:If you don't have time to do it tomorrow (or today? or Sunday), I'll have some time on Monday to translate Allup's bit. I said I would post it today, but it seems I'll have to go a bit more modular about it so here's the start: Video Transcript so far posted:{After the President is done with his speech} And those were just the First Six Minutes. I'm gonna take a small rest because he ups the ante from here on and start quoting many different sources I need to familiarize with... AstraSage fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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AstraSage posted:On that note, Thank you for this! This is the kind of important event that doesn't get translated into English by international media. Good on you for putting in the legwork to open it up to an English speaking audience!
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fnox posted:
Welcome to the club, once you've been trolled by Jimmy you're really a part of the thread. More on topic, the polls haven't been kind to Maduro for a long time now: during the buildup before the elections his approval ranged from 15-20% to 30% depending on the pollsters. If he hasn't been sent out to pasture already it's because chavismo doesn't have a single figure within its leadership with approval ratings high enough to challenge the opposition if presidentials were called early. AstraSage posted:I'm gonna take a small rest because he ups the ante from here on and start quoting many different sources I need to familiarize with... This is great work, thanks for making the effort to translate his speech. It was really something to watch that knowing it was on cadena nacional. BTW, for anyone interested in watching the National Assembly stuff live, there's an online channel called VivoPlay that never cuts the feed and has covered all of their sessions so far. It's a few bucks a month via Paypal to subscribe, and you can also pay in bolivares using MercadoPago. Labradoodle fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Here's a list of the measures that come with the declaration of economic emergency:quote:1. Make use of the resources made available in the 2015 budget with the goal of guaranteeing investment to safeguard the continued operation of social programs, investment in productive infrastructure, agriculture and industry, and the timely supplying of food and other products necessary for life. As you can see, the measures go from vague (1, 9) to ridiculous (8). "Require public and private businesses to increase their levels of production"? Of course! Why didn't anyone think of that before? If the problem is scarcity, just have people make more stuff. Problem solved! The timing of this package makes it obvious that Maduro's throwing it at the National Assembly knowing that they will reject it. That way, Maduro gets to say, "See? I'm trying to help the country but the Nazis in the National Assembly won't let me!".
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Chuck Boone posted:Here's a list of the measures that come with the declaration of economic emergency: I'd almost say that they should approve it and then challenge the executive to solve the problem as they imply that program should. Give Maduro the rope he needs to hang himself with.
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