Strange Quark posted:

Oh, did they redo the dub for the blu-rays? I've only heard them say child.

lets hang out posted:

they try to force eject an entry plug every other episode and it never works

good news: the arm exploding system continues to work perfectly

Strange Quark posted:

Speaking of the OST, I really like the big, bombastic orchestral stuff. It brings a lot of oomph to the big scenes.

lets hang out posted:

good news: the arm exploding system continues to work perfectly

l33tc4k30fd00m posted:

por favor no

lets hang out posted:

darealkooky posted:

is the water red because it's dusk, or did all the blood fill the river?

a kitten posted:

That was a good scream, Shinji's voice actor.

darealkooky posted:

is the water red because it's dusk, or did all the blood fill the river?

In Training posted:

It's an extremely minor spoiler about the Rebuilds, but it's something I'm curious about so I'll ask anyway: Whats up with Asuka's new name in the Rebuilds? Is it just a different ship?

Agronox posted:

First he is an unnaturally talented pilot, and now he even gets that date with Kaji that she wants? Guess it's no surprise why Asuka's so frustrated with Shinji...

Jostiband posted:

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It's also a nice reminder that Shinji and Asuka are about the same size in case you hadn't noticed due to her stealing all the screen real estate and shot focus at every possible opportunity.

Zas posted:

the shinji screams are one of my favorite things about the show, as hosed up as that sounds - absolutely uncompromising, painful and expressive, like the show as a whole

I agree, good job uh *looks it up* megumi ogata. oh she's sailor uranus

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ep 18 is really cool because while the descent starts in 16, this one sends both Shinji and the viewers off the cliff. Shinji confirming the pilot of 03 in that way is still really emotionally brutal, even when everyone else already knows, hell it's because everyone else already knows

Got some feels on Saturday mornin...

Zas posted:

the shinji screams are one of my favorite things about the show, as hosed up as that sounds - absolutely uncompromising, painful and expressive, like the show as a whole

I agree, good job uh *looks it up* megumi ogata. oh she's sailor uranus

Agronox posted:

Programming note: the right way to watch from 20 on is the Director's cuts up to 24, "normal" 25 and 26, and then End? Is that right? It's a little confusing.

Agronox posted:

I'm a little ahead, and one thing I think this series does exceedingly well is capture how a society can be deeply in crisis and yet the day-to-day goes on as normal. You'd think everyone would be cowering in holes as the human race could be wiped out at any time, but people go about their lives, and the freckles girl worries more about making lunch for her crush than impending doom.

Reminds me of stories from the London blitz, although Anno was probably really looking back to the US bombing campaigns of Japan in 1944 and 1945. (Or maybe he just wanted to have high school scenes because every anime has to have high school scenes?)

Another thing: I'm pretty sure I'd hate each of the pilots if I'd seen this when it premiered and I was their age. Shinji is cowardly to another teenager, but viewing him through adult eyes he was dealt a bad hand and plays it pretty heroically under the circumstances. Asuka is a jerk--but just a kid--and although Rei doesn't seem to have much of a backbone maybe she was raised to be that way.

I'm not sure if the Angels are derived from anything in Japanese mythology (there's obviously Christian influences) but if they're original, that's awesome. They're truly foreign, alien, and if they can be compared to anything they inspire the sort of existential dread you get from some of the Cthulhu mythos stories. Great design.

Programming note: the right way to watch from 20 on is the Director's cuts up to 24, "normal" 25 and 26, and then End? Is that right? It's a little confusing.

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Krystian Woznicki: So Anno changed the original plot of the story when he saw the news about the invasion of Aum's hide out by the police. Did he change it because it was too close to reality?

Azuma Hiroki: Yes, he said so.

KW: But did why he change it? What is the problem with Evangelion being so close to the Aum case?

AH: Anno thought that the original scenario will not be suitable for broadcasting.

KW: So he feared censorship.

AH: A kind of censorship. But this is very typical of the anime situation. TV animations are supposed to be seen by youngsters under 15, 16 years old. And I think, if it this wasn't the case, then Anno would have thought that its obvious similarity with the reality would decrease Evangelion's imaginative potential. But anyway, the original scenario is so shockingly close to the political motivation of the Aum Shinrikyo group, they fight against the upshot of the enemy, without knowing what the enemy really is. The angels change their form for example into pyramids, into shadows. I asked Anno about such abstract characteristics of the angels. He said that this reflects the feelings of his generation. For his generation the enemy is not political. It is also not definite. I mentioned to Anno that such abstract characteristics of the enemy are very close to the conception of Aum as enemy (e.g. poison gas) which he admitted. He also admitted the similarity of Evangelion with Aum. Nevertheless it is too simple to conclude that Anno was sympathetic with Aum. He emphasizes the closedness and exclusiveness of this group. They lost any contact with reality. In Anno's view this again is very close to the situation of anime fans. In fact Evangelion criticizes anime fans, and anime culture: it begins with ambiguous flirtations with conditions central to Aum, and ends with its critique as launched on the situation of anime fans.

KW: Why do you think that Evangelion's flirtations with the Aum case are so essential to its "cultural meaning"?

AH: As you may know there was this particular case with Oe Kenzaburo. He is said to have been surprised when Nihon Seki Gun [Japanese Red Army] got Asama Sanso Jiken: in 1972 the Japanese Red Army stayed in a house close to Mount Asama. They fought with the Japanese police and army. This affair was very close to the novel Kozui wa waga tamashii ni oyobi which Oe Kenzaburo wrote and wanted to publish at that time. However Oe had to change the plot as it was too close to reality. The original plot is said to have been partly changed. Although I am not sure that Anno is comparable to Oe, it seems unquestionable that he is one of the smartest storytellers in Japanese culture of the 90's.

KW: But do you really think that the parallels to Aum are characteristic of, or say, unique about Evangelion? For instance the case you just mentioned has occurred in various cases of recent film productions e.g. in the case of Fukui Shojin's Rubber's Lover whose production goes back to 1992 and which shortly after Aum came to fruition. Out of the fear to provoke misreadings Fukui changed some parts, as he feared those to be mistaken for a sympathetic account of Aum. Rubber's Lover is, on various levels, permeated with an ambiguous critique of Aum, such as their concept of the self, enlightenment through isolation, etc. Angel Dust made about two years before Aum happend describes certain conditions that became dominant in the Aum phenomena: again isolation, brain-washing, extortion. But the aspect of circulation, as it is linked to the mode of reception is perhaps unique about Evangelion and on this level also comparable with Oe's case: Evangelion was broadcast at 6:30 p.m. in the afternoon on a major channel, reaching millions of people whereas the films just mentioned are usually seen by a limited audience. By the way, how popular was Oe at that time?

AH: I think that he was even more popular than he is now. But I admit that the closeness to Aum is not the privilege of Evangelion. The point is that Evangelion is an intrinsic critique of Aum. Anno's career is so close to that of Aum. The Anime fan is the typical type of Japanese otaku. The Aum affair tackled the cultural territory of the Otaku.

Agronox posted:

I'm a little ahead, and one thing I think this series does exceedingly well is capture how a society can be deeply in crisis and yet the day-to-day goes on as normal. You'd think everyone would be cowering in holes as the human race could be wiped out at any time, but people go about their lives, and the freckles girl worries more about making lunch for her crush than impending doom.

Radio Spiricom posted:

source: http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9802/msg00101.html

Knorth posted:

Oh, that reminds me! What's the situation with the directors cut episodes and the bluray release?

Srice posted:

The blu-rays have both the director's cut and original airing episodes and we'll be using the director's cut versions.

Agronox posted:

Interesting, but how does the show criticize otaku? Did I miss something or does that come later? Or does it relate to the other themes of loneliness, alienation, and unwillingness to be vulnerable around others?