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Yesterday's prelease was good. I went 3-1 with grixis jank backed up by a the Sphinx dude. Also those blue guys that tap a creature for a <> are legit in limited. I didn't pull anything crazy but my promo was the rw manland so I was happy. Felt good and decided to play the modern master lottery and bought a pack. V-clique, eldrazi temple and foil All is Dust. Feels good man.
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I don't think banning cards to "spice up" the pro tour is needed. People watch modern on twitch a lot even if it is a bunch of schlubs at an scg event. When it is pros I think interest would only increase, at least for nerds invested enough to be watching magic on twitch anyway. If they want to increase viewership they just need to improve production values and commentary on their coverage. That being said I'm interested to see how the meta shakes out
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I would watch more MTG streaming if there were real personalities out there. Like "2 explores" _whatever his name is_ vs LSV *does a V crotch chopping motion* and they'd have fireworks on stage with trash talking at the dealer's booth beforehand. Maybe give them signature moves like the open palm windmill slam or the perfect-7 bloom Titan palming technique. So yeah production values.
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Entropic posted:I got you beat.  This set! I went 2-2, with both losses being close games that I think I could probably have won. Having four essentially unplayable rares takes a lot of the fun out a pre release though.
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Molybdenum posted:If they want to increase viewership they just need to improve production values and commentary on their coverage. So, think you can get me some pics of that unicorn you rode to Magical Wishes Land? I'm looking for one of my own, and wouldn't mind some comparison  Chill la Chill posted:I would watch more MTG streaming if there were real personalities out there. Like "2 explores" _whatever his name is_ vs LSV *does a V crotch chopping motion* and they'd have fireworks on stage with trash talking at the dealer's booth beforehand. Maybe give them signature moves like the open palm windmill slam or the perfect-7 bloom Titan palming technique. That would be amazing. Wrestling-style intros, theme music and videos, promo shots, distracting the Judge and changing life totals, the works. "Weighing in at 187 pounds... From San Quentin, California... PATRICK, THE INNOVATOR, CHAPIN!", Chapin walks in fixing his suit with a swagger. "And his opponent... From Truth or Consequences, New Mexico... The defending WOTC Pro Tour Champion... LUIS SCOT VARGAS!", LSV's Titantron playing, words flashing on the screen (incl. Value), they stare down... Someone make this happen please. Make Magic into Yu-Gi-Oh! by way of WWE.
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Jan 17, 2016 15:46
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Instead of someone throwing a chair and injuring a competitor before the fight, their deck gets lit on fire from the fireworks and there's a zoomed in shot of four expedition wastelands curling. Also somebody's gotta wear the shorts with the Totino's pizza rolls sponsorship sprawled across the butt, like my dude has in WWE 2k16.
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Jan 17, 2016 15:54
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Molybdenum posted:I don't think banning cards to "spice up" the pro tour is needed. People watch modern on twitch a lot even if it is a bunch of schlubs at an scg event. Banning twin itself doesn't bother me, I don't personally play it, though I have. I'm not boo hooing over my collection value. My issue is what are people who play modern a lot supposed to do? Keep everything? Parse data in December and sell out of the best deck in the format? The whole idea was supposed to be pick a deck and play it indefinitely. I was thinking about selling some staples to get Jund on modo to play more, but who knows what happens next January. Maybe Liliana gets banned. Maybe Karn does. It is weird to consider that being consistently good alone is enough of a crime to get something banned.
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jassi007 posted:Banning twin itself doesn't bother me, I don't personally play it, though I have. I'm not boo hooing over my collection value. My issue is what are people who play modern a lot supposed to do? Keep everything? Parse data in December and sell out of the best deck in the format? The whole idea was supposed to be pick a deck and play it indefinitely. I was thinking about selling some staples to get Jund on modo to play more, but who knows what happens next January. Maybe Liliana gets banned. Maybe Karn does. It is weird to consider that being consistently good alone is enough of a crime to get something banned. Jund is alive after getting 3 mainstay cards banned. It's nowhere near as good but it's alive. And my goyfs lands and lilies are still worth money. UR tempo/control decks will live on after their magic "I win" button got removed.
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I am more concerned with the same decks being good for years on end. They should print new powerful cards that make make viable decks in modern.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Jund is alive after getting 3 mainstay cards banned. It's nowhere near as good but it's alive. And my goyfs lands and lilies are still worth money. UR tempo/control decks will live on after their magic "I win" button got removed. Or, they'll play Kiki Jiki and cry and moan that it's a worse and it's the only way the deck wins. Which is wrong. On both accounts.
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Jan 17, 2016 16:34
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Whoever made Hedron Alignment a promo rare should be punishable by death.
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GoutPatrol posted:Whoever made Hedron Alignment a promo rare should be punishable by death. I think they should combine the current system with the previous one. Have a set list of a few rares per color / faction that you can get, but don't do color boxes, everyone gets the same box with a random rare picked from the whole pool. That way you don't have the problem of everyone figuring out the best color/faction and all the boxes of that one being sold out while the LGS gets stuck with a bunch of unopened Jeskai boxes; and you don't have the problem of people getting promos that do literally nothing. You can always still open garbage in your packs, but it would be nice if the promo was guaranteed to at least be playable.
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Jan 17, 2016 16:47
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Count Bleck posted:Or, they'll play Kiki Jiki and cry and moan that it's a worse and it's the only way the deck wins. Please tell me how Kiki is not worse.
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GoutPatrol posted:Whoever made Hedron Alignment a promo rare should be punishable by death. Hey, someone out there will open 4-8 (including foils) in their prerelease packs and...no I got nothing.
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Cactrot posted:Before my 20 year hiatus I had traded into a beta time vault, and I have no idea where I put it or what happened to it I started playing during 4th edition/ice age. I bought an unlimited mox emerald from a lgs for £10 because it's condition was such that it was considered marked and couldn't be played. Then opaque backed sleeves became a thing. Dual lands were all around £10, the most valuable card from revised was fork, followed by vesuvan doppelganger.
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My prerelease games kinda sucked. I got paired up with one of the guys who work at the store, nice enough guy but also a Commander specialist who insisted having a 50 card 2.5 colour draft deck was "the way to go" despite having a sick BR aggro deck and a great RW ally deck to work with. After we lost that match, I and the opponents we played finally managed to talk him out of it, but he was still insistent on jamming 2 Titans Presence (with not enough Eldrazi to support it) and 1 of those 1R 5 damage to target flier cards at the last minute in a 40 card deck. I don't know if it would change the math on drawing lands all that much, but it was almost uncanny the way he was stuck on 3 for the rest of that game, while I had all my bombs sniped and proceeded to flood out. On the other hand, I was able to trade for a Thought-Knot Seer, a Reality Smasher, and get a Newlamog for 5$ above buylist from a kid looking to sell the one he opened on the recommendation of the store to do so because they couldn't buy it that day (apparently in addition to serving cake and nachos our LGS is ok with and will actively encourage deals in the store?). And I cracked a Flooded Grove in my pool so I was happy regardless of the prerelease game outcome. Good times all around, the new LGS location is loving insane, if it's not top 5 in the country it's top 10, easily. Blows Fusion out of the water. TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Sickening posted:I am more concerned with the same decks being good for years on end. They should print new powerful cards that make make viable decks in modern. They do. But new stuff doesn't invalidate old stuff. Grixis got cards that made it go from a jank color combo to a real viable deck this year. Without Gurmag Angler, Tasigure and flipJace that deck wouldn't be what it is. Bx Eldrazi obviously wasn't a think prior to Zendikar 2 the electric boogaloo. I don't understand why twin has to go when new stuff IS making an impact. Not to mention Collected Company, even stuff like Retreat to Coralhelm, Jeskai Ascendancy combo which came, went, and then came back with a gifts package that was pretty neat. New cards do spawn new archtypes/refresh old decks. However, when it comes to eternal formats the pro players seem to be conservative. They innovate a lot for block/standard but play very time tested tried and true decks in modern.
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2HG is terrible if you're not doing it with someone who is on the same wavelength as you with respect to deck-building.
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Entropic posted:2HG is terrible if you're not doing it with someone who is on the same wavelength as you with respect to deck-building. Why aren't you building your decks together? Thats almost entirely the point of 2hg for two player to collaborate to build two decks.
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jassi007 posted:Why aren't you building your decks together? Thats almost entirely the point of 2hg for two player to collaborate to build two decks. You can do that and then have them insist that yes, they should have Aligned Hedron Network in their deck because it's removal, regardless of it being very situational and a dead card in every matchup that day, and that they can go RBD on two D lands if they go up to 50 cards to accommodate chaff that taps for D. At that point you just kind of have to go along with it and hope they learn something.
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TheKingofSprings posted:You can do that and then have them insist that yes, they should have Aligned Hedron Network in their deck because it's removal, regardless of it being very situational and a dead card in every matchup that day, and that they can go RBD on two D lands if they go up to 50 cards to accommodate chaff that taps for D. Sorry your partner was bad at magic.
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jassi007 posted:Sorry your partner was bad at magic. Yeah basically this.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Jund is alive after getting 3 mainstay cards banned. It's nowhere near as good but it's alive. And my goyfs lands and lilies are still worth money. UR tempo/control decks will live on after their magic "I win" button got removed. Jund is a pile of the best cards in the format at any given time, there is no one card to target from it that could kill it because it's all generic goodstuff. UR Tempo/Control decks were not like that, and depended on their instant speed shenanigans having a potential combo kill to always make the opponent wary. Without that you lose the incentive to play at instant speed because it's really not as strong as what you can do at sorcery in Modern, and the popularity and success of decks with those cards that didn't run Twin during the time it was around should attest. The only way those decks will be anywhere near effective is if a new instant speed threat becomes a thing, or something on the level of Fact or Fiction finds it's way into Modern.
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jassi007 posted:Why aren't you building your decks together? Thats almost entirely the point of 2hg for two player to collaborate to build two decks. That's what I mean. You don't want to be having fundamental disagreements with the person you're trying to build two decks with.
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Sickening posted:Please tell me how Kiki is not worse. Worse in twin, yes. Worse in other decks that want that effect, no. Perhaps I should've worded that better.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Jund is a pile of the best cards in the format at any given time, there is no one card to target from it that could kill it because it's all generic goodstuff. There is still Kiki-Jiki, there is grixis control which didn't run twin, there are Temur versions that could run without twin. There are plenty of u/r control shells that can slot an additional color or go delver/swiftspear/new flying guy and run a tighter control package. Removing twin just gets rid of the lovely super combo. It's s good thing. Sorry if your 40 bucks got wasted but DRS hit me the same way and made my deck way less useful and it wasn't an instant win button.
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I would have to be desperate for magic to being doing 2HG with a rando person I think. Between mixing rares and having no idea how they play/think it just does not sound like fun.
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I went 4-0 with my roommate at the 2hg prerelease last night! The pool we opened was hilariously dumb. The rares were Ob Nixilis Reignited, Crush of Tentacles, Sunken Hollow, Sphinx of the Final Word, Sifter of Skulls, Fathom Feeder, Endbringer, Bearer of Silence, Hedron Alignment, and Prism Array. So, we wound up building a U/b deck with all of our rares other than alignment and array. The other deck was a mediocre red deck. I played the absurd U/b deck and my roommate played the R/W one. Crush of tentacles is entirely unreasonable and wins games you have no right winning in 2hg. Sphinx of the Last Word is what ultimately won us the most games though. There really is nothing your opponents can do to stop it, unless they have a board wipe or a larger flier. The decklists for those who are interested are in the links below: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ub-2-headed-giant/ http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rw-2-headed/
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Honestly the only cards that are no longer really all that usable in the old twin shells are Deceiver Exarch and Pestermite. Both of which are what, commons? Your U/R Tempo deck just emptied 12 slots for other spells, like, I don't know, maybe more Cliques? Bitterblossom if you're Grixis? Or you could play Kiki Jiki and have the same dumb combo but a lot more vulnerable to disruption, oh, and if you want to keep Dispel up you get to do it on turn 6 instead of 5.
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Alaan posted:I would have to be desperate for magic to being doing 2HG with a rando person I think. Between mixing rares and having no idea how they play/think it just does not sound like fun. Yeah, you really want to be with someone who is down to just write down what rares each person opened and then mash the pools together completely. And who is a good limited player and doesn't want to do dumb things like run Auras and bad 1-drops or make a 50 card deck or insist on playing their bad pet card or only play their favorite color combo. 2HG with a bad partner would be the worst.
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It's great that a lot of people don't realize that the only reason URx decks were tier 1 was because of the twin combo, since they all fold to aggro and tron otherwise Banning a good matchup for non-twin blue decks, simultaneously empowering some very bad matchups, doesn't suddenly make those decks better or especially viable
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Count Bleck posted:Honestly the only cards that are no longer really all that usable in the old twin shells are Deceiver Exarch and Pestermite. UR Tempo decks just aren't that good in modern because they can't refill their hand to keep protecting the win condition/interact with the opponents win condition. You have to make a comparison to legacy. For a blue tempo deck to do well in modern we'd need some combination of better counter spells, better draw spells, or better mana denial. All of those things are things WOTC is clearly not interested in doing. Tempo was good at two points in modern. 1. when it had a great draw spell, 2. when it had a win condition that it could use before it ran out of gas. Both those cards are gone so now its an ok but not good enough deck.
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Modern is a format where tons of decks that people like but aren't good enough to consistently Top 8 get lots and lots of play and are visible parts of the format. Decks like Hatebears, Soul Sisters, Elves, B/W Tokens have been around the meta for a long long time getting lots of play by people who enjoy them. The fact that they aren't winning options for the format hasn't stopped them from getting plenty of visibility. I don't understand why people believe that there are just really good, totally legitimate U/R Tempo or Control decks out there without Twin that just didn't get play because Twin was so much better. Not being good enough hasn't stopped loads of fun, but not as powerful decks from getting sleeved up and being visible, but for some reason all those totally real totally viable control and tempo decks are just waiting for the oppressive scourge of Twin to go away? Why didn't they make appearances at those times when Twin wasn't a huge part of the meta (which has happened before) It reminds me of the rationale behind the Nacatl banning "all those totally real and totally good aggro decks just aren't getting playing by anyone ever because Nacatl is so good, once its gone people will totally sleeve up slightly new, totally viable decks because they are definitely real and exist" Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Trilas posted:Promo: Oath of Jace Promo: A Grizzly Bear because What Is Equipment Pack 1 Rare: Call the Gatewatch Pack 2 Rare: Oath of Gideon Pack 3 Rare: Hissing Quagmire with a pool that wouldn't even hit 13 creatures if I went BG Pack 4 Rare: Sea Gate Wreckage Pack 5 Rare: Zada, Hedron Grinder (which I could use for insane card draw with my 3 Expedites if I wanted to run 4 terrible cards for a chance at it, or otherwise only wrath my board.) Dragonmaster Outcast was my one good rare in a color I had to splash. I actually played Oath of Gideon because I literally needed it to be above 13 dudes in a deck that had to play aggro.
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Sickening posted:I am more concerned with the same decks being good for years on end. They should print new powerful cards that make make viable decks in modern. Don't worry. Next year they'll be like "Whoa, Affinity? You're still here? Sorry, but I think you're kind of a boring deck, dude"
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Promo: Don't Pack 1 Rare: Give Pack 2 Rare: WotC Pack 3 Rare: Money Pack 4 Rare: Siege Rhino somehow
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Modern is a format where tons of decks that people like but aren't good enough to consistently Top 8 get lots and lots of play and are visible parts of the format. Decks like Hatebears, Soul Sisters, Elves, B/W Tokens have been around the meta for a long long time getting lots of play by people who enjoy them. Bingo. There are people who play "whatever is best" and deck hop a lot. Then there are people who have a deck or playstyle or card they love and will play it forever. Some people love Delver of Secrets and they'll play a Delver deck forever. Its why we always get the whacky deck tech at SCG Opens and GP's. Some guy has been playing his favorite deck forever, he's good with it, he knows how to play against all the top decks, but his deck isn't really that great. so he has a string of match up luck or whatever and he's 7-0 on day 1 and gets a deck tech on Fist of the Suns combo or whatever and now it is the flavor of the week. Ux delver lists have problem been to every modern open and GP since whenever, but they were only great for the three months TC was legal. jassi007 fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Don't worry. Next year they'll be like "Whoa, Affinity? You're still here? Sorry, but I think you're kind of a boring deck, dude" Between affinity, tron, or infect if they don't change something about how they handle modern and the pro tour, yeah something in one of those will be banned. I'd wager that if you can figure out which one has had the most success in 2016 you'll be able to do some mtgfinance judo in December. Lottery of Babylon posted:Promo: Don't I don't. They still manage to gently caress up the format I like however.
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jassi007 posted:Bingo. There are people who play "whatever is best" and deck hop a lot. Then there are people who have a deck or playstyle or card they love and will play it forever. To put it more succinctly, I think its silly to think that, in the format where dudes happily sleeve up Emtpy the Vaults and Ad Naseum to go 2-4 drop at the local GP there's just all these dudes sighing wistfully as they jam 4 splinter twins into their tempo deck that is already good enough because "they just have to, its so good" Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Errant Gin Monks posted:There is still Kiki-Jiki, there is grixis control which didn't run twin, there are Temur versions that could run without twin. There are plenty of u/r control shells that can slot an additional color or go delver/swiftspear/new flying guy and run a tighter control package. It's not my Twin that got banned, and it's not just 40$. If you want to convert Twin to a new deck you have to commit more money to pick up the pieces of whatever it is you're building, and if it was, say, Grixis and you needed a Liliana, that poo poo's expensive. All of these things you're recommending require more money put in, and it's very realistic to assume someone could have enough money to get the remaining pieces of Twin they needed provided they already picked up everything else for cheap a long time ago, but not enough available money to buy other poo poo you now need. E: I feel like a bunch of you have lost perspective and forgotten some people don't have thousands of dollars to commit to this hobby.
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