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Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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He appears to be saying that two far larger countries should be able to override the islanders' own veto though, which seems like the opposite of a socialist anticolonialist policy.

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Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jan 17, 2016

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suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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Yeah. The Falklands are a lovely rock that nobody could be bothered to colonise before Europeans arrived (and even the first lot of European settlers apparently left because it was so lovely there) so there's no displaced indiginous people with a claim. The Argentinian argument is entirely based on "we're closer and hey look we're starting a pissing contest against the UK so please ignore how our economy is currently going to poo poo".

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:22

Extreme0: Feb 28, 2013; I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

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blowfish posted:

To be fair this is the one case where Britain swinging its dick around was completely justified and making a big fuss over a warship being sunk in a war is just completely stupid.

Corbyn really should of kept his mouth shut on this one considering what happened with an election involving the falklands last time..

Regarde Aduck posted:

Yes. He's "sticking to his ideals" and it's going to lose the 2020 election and blow up the NHS. gently caress yo ideals. Lie to these fucks and then murder the rich you jam making bastard!

Actually the general election will be judgement day for the British Public if they deemed worthy of being saved from their own destruction.

The answer to this is no. They will want to live in poo poo for the rest of their lives and the only salvation from here on out is to create our own society for those who are deemed worthy of joining it.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:22

NO FUCK YOU DAD: Oct 23, 2008

willie_dee posted:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-says-britain-should-7193638

Is Corbyn trying really hard not to get elected by refusing to do anything but be sensible?

Apparently not, as he's completely wrong on this. The Falklands are British territory, want to remain British territory, and confirmed that want less than three years ago in a vote where only three people on the whole island voted against.The sensible thing would be to tell Argentina to gently caress off until they can at least pretend to give a poo poo about the islanders instead of dismissing their wishes out of hand.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:23

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Extreme0 posted:

Corbyn really should of kept his mouth shut on this one considering what happened with an election involving the falklands last time..

Much like in Argentina, the electorate got distracted by nationalistic chest beating.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:26

Extreme0: Feb 28, 2013; I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

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Can't wait to see what Pissflaps responce is to this. He must be thrilled and depressed.

blowfish posted:

Much like in Argentina, the electorate got distracted by nationalistic chest beating.

The electorate are a bunch of runts anyways. Without a proper education, free corruptless providers of infomation/news and common sense, they are merely tools of flesh to be manipulated by "representive" democracy.

Something something grow the weak something something to kill the strong.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:46

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Jose posted:

they're just trying to distract from their incredibly lovely economy

As are we. :laugh:

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:48

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

willie_dee posted:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-says-britain-should-7193638

Is Corbyn trying really hard not to get elected by refusing to do anything but be sensible?

Yes this is definitely a sensible thing for him to say. A real vote winner.

Jesus loving Christ the man is a moron.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:50

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Tesseraction posted:

As are we.

Conservatives, conservatives never change.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:51

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Pissflaps posted:

Yes this is definitely a sensible thing for him to say. A real vote winner.

Jesus loving Christ the man is a moron.

On this point he's probably internalised being on the lefty team too much and reflexively goes "rargh UK western imperialism bad".

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:54

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

Holy gently caress O.o

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political_news/14210113.display/

quote:

TORY plans to create military cadet units in state schools in Scotland's most deprived areas have been attacked as an attempt to recruit vulnerable children as British Army 'cannon fodder'.

Leaked correspondence obtained by the Sunday Herald shows defence minister Julian Brazier urged the Scottish Government to embrace in-school cadet units. A senior SNP source branded the plan a "cannon fodder scheme" and said it would not go ahead.

With the army and reserve forces struggling for recruits, the Tory government has launched a �50m Cadet Expansion Programme (CEP) to establish 500 school cadet units across the UK by 2020, with schools in �less affluent� areas being prioritised.

Scotland�s largest teaching union, the EIS, said its members would also oppose anything that smacked of the armed forces trying to recruit within schools.

With around 100 units recently established in England, and many more already in place in private schools, the UK government needs 145 more state cadet units to hit its target.

It has now turned its attention to Scotland�s 360 secondaries to help make up the numbers.

Critics say such schemes amount to a backdoor recruitment drive by the armed forces, with young children drawn in by a sense of adventure, but with no understanding of the risks of combat.

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In 2008, the UN Committee on the Rights of the Children urged the UK to rethink its �active� recruitment of children and avoid specifically targeting children of low-income families.

A senior SNP government source said: �There�s no way we�re having this cannon fodder scheme in schools. It�s back to the days of General Wolfe and �No great mischief if they fall�.�

Wolfe, an 18th century British officer, infamously urged using Highlanders in America as they were �hardy, intrepid, accustomed to a rough country, and no great mischief if they fall�.

According to the Ministry of Defence, there are around 43,000 cadets in the Combined Cadet Force that operates in English state schools and some Scottish private ones.

Open to pupils aged 13 to 18, it is based on a partnership between schools, adult volunteers and the MoD, with the latter providing uniforms, weapons and ammunition, remuneration and training and volunteers, and access to military facilities, transport, stores and equipment.

Brazier, whose is responsible for armed forces recruitment, told SNP children�s minister Aileen Campbell in his November letter: �The next phase of [CEP] expansion will be delivered through a targeted approach, prioritising schools in areas of high deprivation.

�I believe that the cadet experience needs no �sell� as such, as it provides immense value both to cadets and adult volunteers. It achieves this by providing young people with access to challenging military-themed activities that help them exercise responsibility and leadership in a disciplined environment, developing self-confidence, resilience, and other key life skills.�

Inviting Campbell to join �this important initiative� Brazier said more cadet units in schools would provide opportunities for young people, �especially in less affluent areas�.

Campbell�s reply, sent last week, was decidedly cool towards the idea.

She said the government welcomed any extra funding for education, and felt cadet forces in local communities helped improve the skills and abilities of young people.

However, she pointedly reminded Brazier education and youth work were �fully devolved�.

She wrote: �In Scotland, there is no tradition of cadet units within state schools. Community based Army Cadet units work closely with local schools and education authorities to support Curriculum for Excellence. This linkage is unique to Scotland.

�This approach, while building confidence, resilience and respect for others, does not involve the creation of a cadet unit in a school.�

She said she wanted Scotland�s share of the extra �50m used �flexibly to support Scottish approaches and practices�, and suggested government officials keep talking meantime.

SNP MSP Chic Brodie said: �This is an outrageous suggestion from the Tory government, who are seeking to exploit some of Scotland�s poorest communities to recruit young men and women into the armed forces.

�I have the utmost respect for our armed forces and the difficult and dangerous jobs they do. However, the decision to join up is one for young people and their parents to make in the full knowledge of the facts and should not be one that our schools are influencing."

An EIS spokesman said: �There have already been concerns before about large numbers of armed forces visits to schools in areas of deprivation. This [cadet units] is not something our members are looking to have implemented in Scotland�s schools. There would be a fair degree of concern among the teaching profession if we were to go down this route.�

Scottish Conservative education spokeswoman Liz Smith said cadet programmes were �hugely important� and insisted there was no problem having cadet units in schools, regardless of the affluence of the local area.

She said: �They are very popular and do fantastic work and the SNP should not turn away from them based on an image from the past. The Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force are very sensitive to the charge of recruitment in schools, and are very careful about how they inform children about what they do.�

The Scottish Government said it didn�t comment on leaked documents.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 20:56

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Coohoolin posted:

Holy gently caress O.o

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political_news/14210113.display/

The UK is not on, like, a total war footing, right?

As it is the army has to downsize so this looks ~~pretty shady~~ like an effective policy to reduce the population of idle young men.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:01

IceAgeComing: Jan 29, 2013; pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

The only sensible position to take on the Falklands is "I support self-determination, and it is the almost unanimous wish of the people of the Falklands to stay a part of Britain." As yous have said it isn't some big anti-colonial position: there never were any natives and the earlier Spanish occupation (this is where Argentina get their claim from, its incredibly tenuous) left a good twenty years before Britain arrived.

Extreme0 posted:

Corbyn really should of kept his mouth shut on this one considering what happened with an election involving the falklands last time..

and that wasn't really because of the official Labour policy at the time: Foot supported intervention right from the start and his line on it was very strong (he saw the Argentine junta as fascists and felt that fighting fascists who attacked british territory was something that was a must). For some reason this idea that Labour were somehow pro-Argentina in the Falklands War has appeared and its very wrong: you have your very small amount of weird odd people on the left who see it as somehow anti colonial (these people are stupid) but it wasn't the opinion of the vast majority of the Labour party. It shows the power that political spin and the media has; it can take utter mistruths and make them things that are considered as facts by the general public.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:05

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Unless there's a plan to send these cadets into the battlefield describing them as 'cannon fodder' doesn't make a lot of sense.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:05

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

blowfish posted:

The UK is not on, like, a total war footing, right?

As it is the army has to downsize so this looks ~~pretty shady~~ like an effective policy to reduce the population of idle young men.

Isn't that something you usually prioritise in the colonies? :can:

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:06

Extreme0: Feb 28, 2013; I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

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Pissflaps posted:

Unless there's a plan to send these cadets into the battlefield describing them as 'cannon fodder' doesn't make a lot of sense.

Young people from the poorest communities in the country being built up into the army which is increasingly becoming more privatised dosen't even make you a bit anxious?

Sounds like something from the Soviet Union playbook.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:15

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Extreme0 posted:

Young people from the poorest communities in the country being built up into the army which is increasingly becoming more privatised dosen't even make you a bit anxious?

Sounds like something from the Soviet Union playbook.

Poor people have been joining the armed forces for centuries and for many it offers a great start to a career.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:18

Extreme0: Feb 28, 2013; I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

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Pissflaps posted:

Poor people have been joining the armed forces for centuries and for many it offers a great start to a career.

You also know what's also a great idea? Not to create loving military cadet units in loving schools meant for the education of growing young people.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:28

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Coohoolin posted:

Holy gently caress O.o

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political_news/14210113.display/

cannon fodder had a great theme song

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:29

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Extreme0 posted:

You also know what's also a great idea? Not to create loving military cadet units in loving schools meant for the education of growing young people.

I wasn't in the cadets I couldn't say if that's a great idea or not.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:38

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

There was a SA post a couple of years back detailing pretty much how Kirchner's cult of personality works: economic worries? Las Malvinas Son Argentinas. Crime in Buenos Aires increases? Las Malvinas Son Argentinas. Kirchner stubs her toe on the door frame? Las Malvinas Son Argentinas, damnit!

Relations might thaw now that Macri is President, but it's still political suicide for people on either side of the Falklands dispute to think about standing down.

At least the Argentinian claims to the Falklands make sense. Their claims to the SGSI and British Antarctic Territory are weirder, though, and in some ways logically exclusive to the Falklands claim.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:38

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Basically if your country is turning schools into army recruiting grounds your country might just be poo poo.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:39

hand-fed baby bird: May 13, 2009

Do cadets count as troops?

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:42

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Coohoolin posted:

Holy gently caress O.o

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political_news/14210113.display/

I think it is novel & admirable that the military have admitted that they exploit poverty to find recruits.

I look forward to this story getting no traction.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:47

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

Jose posted:

cannon fodder had a great theme song

Word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYuq6Ac3a0

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:49

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Renaissance Robot posted:

Isn't that something you usually prioritise in the colonies?

There's a great book on this subject by Heather Streets called Martial Races: The Military, Race and Masculinity in British Imperial Culture, 1857-1914, that follows British military recruitment amongst the Gurkhas, Sikhs and Scottish Highlanders. Long story short: the same basic logic and ideology underpinned military recruitment in the colonies and in poorer regions of the UK, specifically that military service is a natural choice, and the most beneficial, for young men from these regions, with the proviso that they are always commanded by the appropriate members of the officer class. That can be justified by any amount of propaganda.

The Romans did the same poo poo though so yeah

Pissflaps posted:

Poor people have been joining the armed forces for centuries and for many it offers a great start to a career.

Also an end in lots of cases! :v:

Pissflaps posted:

I wasn't in the cadets I couldn't say if that's a great idea or not.

My opinion, based on my experience of the cadets (I was briefly in the Air Training Corps and know a couple of people in the Army cadets) is that it's a pretty dreadful idea, these organisations foster exactly the kind of personalities you might expect.

Plus the British military has a habit of recruiting child soldiers directly into the army so there's always that.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:54

OzyMandrill: Aug 12, 2013; Look upon my words
and despair

I was in cadets. It's scouts with guns, assault courses, rides in dangerous vehicles by cackling drunk welshmen and camps with booze, and fostered bugger all willingness to join the army. Possibly negative willingness. But getting bored soldiers to entertain bored teenagers is very cheap.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:58

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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Britain just needs to suck it up and get used to not being an empire anymore. Nobody cares about your poo poo country that still has some leftover nukes.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 21:59

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

forkboy84 posted:

I think it is novel & admirable that the military have admitted that they exploit poverty to find recruits.

I look forward to this story getting no traction.

Possibly because this has been well known for literally millennia.

blowfish posted:

Britain just needs to suck it up and get used to not being an empire anymore. Nobody cares about your poo poo country that still has some leftover nukes.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:01

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

Kegluneq posted:

There's a great book on this subject by Heather Streets called Martial Races: The Military, Race and Masculinity in British Imperial Culture, 1857-1914, that follows British military recruitment amongst the Gurkhas, Sikhs and Scottish Highlanders. Long story short: the same basic logic and ideology underpinned military recruitment in the colonies and in poorer regions of the UK, specifically that military service is a natural choice, and the most beneficial, for young men from these regions, with the proviso that they are always commanded by the appropriate members of the officer class. That can be justified by any amount of propaganda.

I was thinking specifically of the gurkhas but yeah poo poo I forgot the Highlands regiment was already a thing :downsgun:

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Kegluneq posted:

Possibly because this has been well known for literally millennia.

Who was it Ober quoted upthread saying something like "if not for vice the British navy would have no sailors"?

# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:04

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Renaissance Robot posted:

I was thinking specifically of the gurkhas but yeah poo poo I forgot the Highlands regiment was already a thing

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# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:08

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

blowfish posted:

Britain just needs to suck it up and get used to not being an empire anymore. Nobody cares about your poo poo country that still has some leftover nukes.

Then why does it matter if Britain keeps its nuclear weapons or not ?

# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:09

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Dabir posted:

Word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYuq6Ac3a0

Well that sorts the national anthem question

# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:09

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Pissflaps posted:

Then why does it matter if Britain keeps its nuclear weapons or not ?

integrated european union deterrent (Since the French are doing all the actual work on EU nukes anyway the UK can just disarm, ship their nukes to France, and officially become formerly great European country #6)

e:

force de dissuasion strategique europeenne has a nice ring to it

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# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:14

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Pissflaps posted:

Then why does it matter if Britain keeps its nuclear weapons or not ?

That depends entirely on the amount of economic return that they provide. In the press/public discourse you have one side talking about how many billions it costs which is a bad metric when it comes to macroeconomics, and the other side talking about how many jobs it provides, which is about as bad.

I honestly couldn't give a gently caress either way if they get used or not. If they do I'm unlikely to see the aftermath and if they don't then they're a high tech version of paying people to dig holes and fill them in again to make jobs. My only consideration is whether they provide a good fiscal multiplier and if there are any better ways of doing it.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:15

DrWrestling69: Feb 4, 2008; Tracyanne...

Pissflaps posted:

I wasn't in the cadets I couldn't say if that's a great idea or not.

I was. It was actually pretty fun and i learned some stuff.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:26

DrWrestling69: Feb 4, 2008; Tracyanne...

OzyMandrill posted:

I was in cadets. It's scouts with guns, assault courses, rides in dangerous vehicles by cackling drunk welshmen and camps with booze, and fostered bugger all willingness to join the army. Possibly negative willingness. But getting bored soldiers to entertain bored teenagers is very cheap.

This.

# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:28

Praseodymi: Aug 26, 2010

Extreme0 posted:

The electorate are a bunch of runts anyways. Without a proper education, free corruptless providers of infomation/news and common sense, they are merely tools of flesh to be manipulated by "representive" democracy.

Something something grow the weak something something to kill the strong.

"Fawklands"

# ? Jan 17, 2016 22:29

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

It's not sounding that bad, to be honest.

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Give the falklands to brazil.

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