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Irony Be My Shield posted:I can imagine they didn't want to have 8 shocks in standard. They've had 12 shocks in standard before and it never caused any problems. (Burst Lightning, Galvanic Blast, and Shock in Zendiscars super-standard.) Turns out that Oops All Shocks would actually be a pretty bad deck.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I really don't think it's a dead deck myself. The explosive hands it had with bloom were considered too fast for the format. Replacing bloom with explore takes it from a turn 2 deck to a turn 3/4 deck before it starts rolling. This makes it hard to compete with infect or a turn 3 karn sometimes but it's still a deck. Just has some worse matchups due to loss of of speed but more fits what they want a modern deck to be. I think the initial takeaway of what the new meta may look like is speed vs. tron. If you can't handle infect/burn/affinity and also handle tron, your deck probably isn't in a good place. Neil Oliver just put up an article on CFB which pretty much mirrors my thoughts about the format. We'll find out soon enough.
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jassi007 posted:I think the initial takeaway of what the new meta may look like is speed vs. tron. If you can't handle infect/burn/affinity and also handle tron, your deck probably isn't in a good place. Neil Oliver just put up an article on CFB which pretty much mirrors my thoughts about the format. We'll find out soon enough. I completely agree, that is going to be the new metric. In reality, I don't think the speed thing is that different from before though- infect, burn, and affinity are all just as fast as before and can easily kill on turn 4 with regularity. The percentage of the meta that twin took up will probably be filled by those three and hopefully infect and burn will keep tron in check. But there's still a lot of viable decks in modern and I don't think things will be insanely different than before, just remove twin from any previous top 8 lists. I honestly don't agree much with the twin ban and I don't even play the deck, but amulet bloom was terrible for modern. Too fast for modern cards to interact and stop, and horribly unfun to play against.
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Jan 17, 2016 22:05
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the Orb of Zot posted:This. Holy poo poo if you take one thing from prerelease or just from my experiences, take that. Like Tar Snare legit cannot kill most TWO-DROPs (EDIT: Wrong whoops) and if you bother running it should be treated as a really lovely combat trick rather than an actual kill spell.
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Jan 17, 2016 22:14
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Also because I'm such a nice guy, I'll gladly take everyone's worthless Snapcasters and Scalding Tarns off your hands. I'll even give you DOUBLE bulk rare prices, and I'll throw in shipping costs.
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edit: this thread doesn't need this kind of poo poo actually
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Jan 17, 2016 22:21
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I'm not too worried. We're probably getting Searing Spear in SoI. Probably.
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Jan 17, 2016 22:25
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Turns out learning to shuffle properly cuts down on the number of muligans you need to take (not a veiled admission of cheating). Seriously, I forced myself to learn to riffle shuffle because test mash shuffling (for 2+ minutes) regularly revealed clumps of ~5 lands between clumps of ~5 nonlands. I do bend cards riffle shuffling a bit too much for my liking, though.
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Jan 17, 2016 22:30
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alansmithee posted:Have you just never heard of Wild Slash, or what? Yeah, but Wild Slash was a year ago at this point (Fate Reforged) and thanks to the new Standard Rotation will be gone come next set. And even then it was uncommon. Like I'm still hopeful we get Shock or a Shock variant next set that can go towards the face or to a creature because a standard without that in this day and age is basically insane, but at this point I would just take a Volcanic Hammer reprint. Which would probably be uncommon, but whatever.
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Rinkles posted:Turns out learning to shuffle properly cuts down on the number of muligans you need to take (not a veiled admission of cheating). I think a lot of deck building errors come from people who don't know how to shuffle adequately and get land clumps all the time. Then they play MODO and scream that the shuffler is broken.
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Rinkles posted:Turns out learning to shuffle properly cuts down on the number of muligans you need to take (not a veiled admission of cheating). What kind of sleeves do you use? I've always thought mash shuffling wasn't all that effective, but with a riffle I'm always worried about bending cards. Seems they're too thick in sleeves to get a proper riffle without doing serious damage. the Orb of Zot posted:Yeah, but Wild Slash was a year ago at this point (Fate Reforged) and thanks to the new Standard Rotation will be gone come next set. And even then it was uncommon. In general I'd like to see more powerful spell effects, rather than just the more and more souped up creatures that come out. Although it seems planeswakers maybe are meant to take some of the place of powerful spells, but that's not really a great tradeoff imo.
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rabidsquid posted:I think a lot of deck building errors come from people who don't know how to shuffle adequately and get land clumps all the time. Then they play MODO and scream that the shuffler is broken. I'm surprised shuffling isn't brought up more frequently (not here, in mtg writing in general) since it's actually a fundamental skill.
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alansmithee posted:What kind of sleeves do you use? I've always thought mash shuffling wasn't all that effective, but with a riffle I'm always worried about bending cards. Seems they're too thick in sleeves to get a proper riffle without doing serious damage. Matte Ultra Pros, though I mostly trained without sleeves.
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Jan 17, 2016 22:43
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alansmithee posted:If SoI comes out without a replacement I think it's likely an issue then, but I can't remember a standard without at least one shock+ effect.
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Rinkles posted:Turns out learning to shuffle properly cuts down on the number of muligans you need to take (not a veiled admission of cheating). If you are mash shuffling with sleeves that aren't sticky for 2 minutes then your deck is just as random as riffle shuffle. The problem you fixed is all in your head.
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Jan 17, 2016 22:57
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So what are the chances of pulling a wasteland and a Anissa in the same pack? Further, what are the chances of pulling a Flooded strand in the same prerelease pool? I begrudgingly went GW allies because that's what the pool had.
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Jan 17, 2016 23:05
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Sickening posted:The problem you fixed is all in your head. No, but I never claimed to be mash shuffle very well.
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Jan 17, 2016 23:07
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Rinkles posted:No, but I never claimed to be mash shuffle very well. Were you literally mashing the halves together before? I've seen people do that even though it's much easier to keep them loose so the other half can slide right in.
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Jan 17, 2016 23:09
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Chill la Chill posted:Were you literally mashing the halves together before? I've seen people do that even though it's much easier to keep them loose so the other half can slide right in. How would you mix them without loosening?
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Jan 17, 2016 23:12
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Count Bleck posted:I'm not too worried. It's going to be Pillar of Flames But It Costs 1R this time. Still sorcery speed.
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Jan 17, 2016 23:12
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Archenteron posted:It's going to be Pillar of Flames But It Costs 1R this time. Because as we all know, red has been the scourge of standard these two, long years.
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Jan 17, 2016 23:17
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Shuffle video https://youtu.be/AxJubaijQbI
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Molybdenum posted:Shuffle video I refuse to bend cards that hard. 
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Rinkles posted:How would you mix them without loosening? Cradle half the deck with your left hand, bottom edge resting on the pinky and the length alongside the other fingers. Thumb loosely on the opposite long edge. Other half in your right hand is held a bit firmer but once it makes contact you can loosen it up cuz if it falls it'll fall on your left fingers anyway. It's how my bro and I have done it for years and you can apply less and less pressure as time goes on cuz it slides right in as you get better with the technique.
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Count Bleck posted:I refuse to bend cards that hard. It's more about the difference between riffle and side shuffling. Mash shuffling approximates riffle shuffling, it just doesn't look as slick.
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Chill la Chill posted:I'm right handed. I don't think I use my pinky as support for the bottom. Cool, and thanks either way.
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I ordered all the last pieces for all in knight combo. Stuoid birds of paradise. Whatever I'm stoked. Gonna smash some fuckers.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I ordered all the last pieces for all in knight combo. Stuoid birds of paradise. Whatever I'm stoked. Gonna smash some fuckers. I didn't have enough forests/plains to get kotr to 20/20 by dump my entire manabase into the gy, but people usually scooped as soon as I started the loop.
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Nissan is terrible with allies. I mean she gets them bigger and I do have lots of vigilance guys but eh. The nice thing though is that wasteland is great for shutting down that dumb land that gives a counter to a colorless creature that just hit the field. That card's a butt.  Rinkles posted:I don't think I use my pinky as support for the bottom. Cool, and thanks either way. You welcome. I'd take pics or make a vid but as you can understand that'd be pretty awkward.
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Rinkles posted:I'm surprised shuffling isn't brought up more frequently (not here, in mtg writing in general) since it's actually a fundamental skill. It's a really basic thing so it's assumed that everyone does it properly but I see it happen often enough.
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rabidsquid posted:It's a really basic thing so it's assumed that everyone does it properly but I see it happen often enough. Sure, but I don't even see it mentioned in introductory level articles, and it's something I expect a lot of people don't even realize is a problem for them.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I ordered all the last pieces for all in knight combo. Stuoid birds of paradise. Whatever I'm stoked. Gonna smash some fuckers. What does your list look like?
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Seven riffle shuffles is all you need to properly randomize cards.
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Rinkles posted:Sure, but I don't even see it mentioned in introductory level articles, and it's something I expect a lot of people don't even realize is a problem for them. I agree with you 100%. I think it causes fundamental deck building errors due to accidental cheating, or in your case a lot of mulligans that really hurt you.
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Molybdenum posted:I didn't have enough forests/plains to get kotr to 20/20 by dump my entire manabase into the gy, but people usually scooped as soon as I started the loop. Are you not running a stomping ground and a kessig wolf run? That's usually how I get over 20 if I need to. Between that and using fetches to tap opponents creatures/untap my dorks to float mana for kessig.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Are you not running a stomping ground and a kessig wolf run? That's usually how I get over 20 if I need to. Between that and using fetches to tap opponents creatures/untap my dorks to float mana for kessig. You can also run the spell lands that do things like give your guy pro-color or tap down an opponents creature to get through.
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Molybdenum posted:I didn't have enough forests/plains to get kotr to 20/20 by dump my entire manabase into the gy, but people usually scooped as soon as I started the loop. You should really only need 16 lands in the grave most of the time. E: I guess this is as good time as any, can someone tell me the State of the Knight Combo union at this point in time? Is it Bant? Naya splashing Blue? Which Knight deck is the best?
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lazerwolf posted:Seven riffle shuffles is all you need to properly randomize cards. For a standard 52 card deck, yes. For a 60 card deck, you need 8.
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Balon posted:You can also run the spell lands that do things like give your guy pro-color or tap down an opponents creature to get through. Yeah I've been running 1 sejiri steppe in my list. Keep a fetch on the field so you can use it to untap knight and find steppe in response to a kill spell. I think I was running somewhere in the realm of 10-11 fetches in my list which is usually more than enough to tap all my opponents creatures.
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Alris posted:What does your list look like? Alris posted:What does your list look like? 4 noble hierarch 4 birds of paradise 4 knight of the reliquary 4 ruin ghost 4 retreat to coralhelm 4 retreat to kazandu 3 supply/demand 1 idyllic tutor 4 remand 4 path to exile 4 windswept Heath 4 flooded strand 2 misty rainforest 3 temple garden 3 hallowed fountain 2 ghost quarter 1 serije refuge 1 rogues passage 2 Forest 2 plains SB 3 Geist of st traft 3 spellskite 4 leyline of sanctity 3 pithing needle 2 grafdiggers cage Two combo exist in the deck. The Knightfall combo and the ruin ghost combo. Ruin ghost requires both enchantments, knight requires just the one.
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