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If anything it's a stronger argument for webcomics. We just need better mobile packaging. I prefer reading most webcomics on a tablet or phone...and yea sometimes the sites can be a little clunky, but it seems like a pretty easy thing to forgive, given most mobile packaging for most sites is garbage anyway. The LINE Webtoon stuff has had a lot of success with vertical layouts, who isn't always scrolling down on their phone anyway? Ultimately, I think most comics here would look just fine on a mobile device. If anything, I'd like to rework my archives so you could just scroll down vertically and read each page. I think that would solve 90% of the hassle.
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DrSunshine posted:I actually read some articles that seemed to be claiming this a few weeks ago. Basically, the point that was made was that with the rise of mobile web and how a lot of peoples' only interactions or experiences with the web are through their mobile devices, webcomics are threatened as a medium because most just simply aren't formatted to be viewed on a mobile device. That, basically, webcomics are a relic of the desktop computer age and therefore doomed to obscurity after their brief heyday in the early 2000s. Thoughts? ahahaha thats such a weird stance for those articles to take when it runs contrary to every aspect of reality
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Kojiro posted:Kind of a non-problem. Also, I can't say mobile traffic is exactly overwhelming my own site-  factually inaccurate technological doomsaying is my favorite kind
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Even if it was accurate, I read comics from my phone all the time, you just need to turn the phone sideways and it's basically the same as a desktop display.
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It's a thought that came up as I was fiddling with the design of the webcomic I write for. It gloms the chapters into vertical scrolling pages by design just because I liked the manga reader sites that let me just scroll forever downwards by pressing the down arrow. However, viewing it on a phone for the first time (I don't have a smartphone or tablet) I was pretty shocked by how badly it fit, so I set about working on a mobile version of the site.
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Space-Bird posted:If anything it's a stronger argument for webcomics. We just need better mobile packaging. I prefer reading most webcomics on a tablet or phone...and yea sometimes the sites can be a little clunky, but it seems like a pretty easy thing to forgive, given most mobile packaging for most sites is garbage anyway. Webcomic sites have so much extraneous stuff, so much frame around the comic itself. I shouldn't have to scroll down to see the content in full, on a big laptop screen. I can't even imagine how unreadable some sites have to be on mobile
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The old webcomic rule was to keep at least the top of your page above the fold but I'm not sure what the word is these days. I don't think the actual layout of my site has changed in close to nine years.
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i get irrationally pissy when i have to take the extra 3 seconds to scroll down or click through to (non-longform story) comics so i hope the standard is still "front page, on screen as soon as it loads" three word phrase has basically the perfect comic website for someone like me bc its ridiculously utilitarian
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When I read a comic, I really want to know what's grinding the author's gears this week, so i like for the landing page to be a longform essay about whatever they have to complain about. Also, if you can find the time to make additional content like videos or brand awareness-rallies, it's best to put those in a place of higher prominence than your comic.
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FunkyAl posted:When I read a comic, I really want to know what's grinding the author's gears this week, so i like for the landing page to be a longform essay about whatever they have to complain about. Also, if you can find the time to make additional content like videos or brand awareness-rallies, it's best to put those in a place of higher prominence than your comic. As a reader, I like when a comic contains more filler strips than story content. Especially when the fillers thank me for being a fan of the comic, it makes me really feel valued. Double especially when the fillers take at least half the effort an actual strip would have taken, because it shows me the artist takes their craft seriously and cares about the comic and site.
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I can't really be arsed to draw a webcomic anymore due to laziness, so I'll just use it as a blogging platform.
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when a comic doesn't have navigation buttons at the top I wish death upon the author
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I love it when long form comics don't make the actual comic itself clickable to go to the next page, or don't support arrow key navigation.
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Any y'all have any feeling one way or the other about multi-page scrolling comics? I'm asking for a friend donchyanno.
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I am also curious about this, since that's what my comic does. One of the recent changes I've implemented was to make the left sidebar panel into a floating div so that you could always access it to navigate to another chapter; I also implemented left/right arrow key browsing.
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"A FOX'S TAIL"
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I've used Project Wonderful twice now. I'm beginning to rule it out. Thousands of unique views can result in 8 clicks total. With google ads as I know it, you pay a dime for each click. And that may actually be more economical.
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Scribblehatch posted:I've used Project Wonderful twice now. I'm pretty sure that ITYOOL 2016, the only way you get randos to read your comic is by way of direct shares on social media platforms, either through tagging or by referrals/shoutouts from people with tons of followers.
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Youtube adblock, I fully understand. I use it myself. That poo poo saves you time in your life. But innocuous little banners? I don't get it. D: Even my editor has it. I would not have found my EDITOR, someone who loves the comic, by casting out a net. How bleak! Shout outs and word of mouth seems like an extreme matter of luck. Because nevermind how randos find you; How did those busy creators find you? People who made it this far by using Project Wonderful, have no idea what to tell this newer fold. This problem, sure only to get worse, is no person's fault. But you also can't force camaraderie. So what's to be done? I think... there need to be more reviewers? I dunno, that'd be a good start. Maybe.
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Scribblehatch posted:Youtube adblock, I fully understand. I use it myself. That poo poo saves you time in your life. But innocuous little banners? I don't get it. D: Even my editor has it. I would not have found my EDITOR, someone who loves the comic, by casting out a net. How bleak! Those innocuous little banner ads made it nearly impossible to browse SA until I installed adblock. I don't mind advertising, but I do mind popups, redirects, and ads with audio/video. Adblock still doesn't catch some of the last one. If ads were less of a nuisance, I wouldn't have it on.
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Ah I wasn't aware they were all caught in the same net. Pop up ads, ads with audio/video never should have started happening. I agree. When I say innucuous, I mean an image that doesn't move (unless it's a gif, and then it moves a leetle beet)
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Scribblehatch posted:Youtube adblock, I fully understand. I use it myself. That poo poo saves you time in your life. But innocuous little banners? I don't get it. D: Even my editor has it. I would not have found my EDITOR, someone who loves the comic, by casting out a net. How bleak! You're right that word of mouth is a game of luck. It's also a game of networking and a delicate balance between self-promotion and not being obnoxious. I'm not saying it's a solved problem or that it's fair. It's the same issue in every single form of media -- the people who got big in the past (regardless of timescales) always had it easier than the newer generation. The field gets crowded and what you have to do to get noticed gets trickier. There are no guarantees. Unfortunately I'm fairly convinced that these days we all have to just work diligently without any expectation or assumption that anyone besides a few friends or fans will ever care one iota. Do it for yourself and no one else, or do it for a friend or family member who reads and likes what you do. poo poo does happen and some people do get "discovered," it's true, but some people also win the lottery.
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neonnoodle posted:Unfortunately I'm fairly convinced that these days we all have to just work diligently without any expectation or assumption that anyone besides a few friends or fans will ever care one iota. Do it for yourself and no one else, or do it for a friend or family member who reads and likes what you do. poo poo does happen and some people do get "discovered," it's true, but some people also win the lottery. I've come to peace with this lately. (edit- I typed all the rest of this up and then realized we're talking about running ads to get more visitors, not hosting ads yourself to make money, but I'll just post it anyway) I run adblock but I disable it for sites I want to support, like SA, webomic hosts, and sites by individual creators. The trouble with the latter is sometimes I fall upon a site, think it's really great, read a whole mess of pages, and then realize I had AB on the whole time. I turn it off as soon as I realize, though, and sometimes I'll even go back through the archive again even if I don't reread it just so they still get the hits, because I'm a weirdo I guess. I've also come to terms with the fact that I'll never make back probably even half of what I spent on PW ads. It was an embarassing sum, tho thankfully not in the triple digits (I don't think so anyway... geez... well w/e putting it behind me now). I think in my most fabulous year I made between 3-4$ on my PW ad slots. Unless I suddenly get a windfall of readers (and, you know, actually update the comic again  ) that's probably the peake I could hope for.
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You're starting to see a lot of "promoted content" these days for this reason. As disguised as/equal to actual content created (or at least mentored) by the group hosting the ad. They pay creators to do an ad with the direction of "make it something your viewers will like". Youtubers are turning that direction more as YouTube changes its payout algorithms. Look up the Game Grumps crunchyroll ads for an example. That likely doesn't help anyone here as that's more expensive, but that's what bigger places are doing to sidestep the adblock problem.
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edit: I looked it up and you're right, they did pay Game Grumps for those ads, so I'm an idiot. IGNORE ME. Is there a webcomic equivalent? I imagine it would look something like the old Hostess ads, which would be pretty funny now that I think about it. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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I'm just going to draw all my characters wearing DraftKings t-shirts and wait for a phone call. Actually, I remember reading that PVP was working Wizards of the Coasts references into stories as part of some sponsorship deal. So I guess it does happen.
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You could put a page at the end of your long-form that was a one-page comic equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1TBBp4dC8 Edit: Volume 1, brought to you by SEARS!
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Subliminally advertise by adding an image of a coca-cola can at 5% transparency over each of your comic pages
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Early on I had drawn lines in the sand about risque material. Now I'm getting depressed enough to reconsider them.
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Scribblehatch posted:Early on I had drawn lines in the sand about risque material. What, as advertising material?
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sweeperbravo posted:Subliminally advertise by adding an image of a coca-cola can at 5% transparency over each of your comic pages Censor bar with "Blueballs? Try PORNHUB" written on it.
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DrSunshine posted:What, as advertising material? No no. Although in a way, yes.
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Come read webcomics m'lord.
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The Internet is no place to make money.
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How's everyone's year been so far? I finished off another chapter of my western and got a fan comic done on the side. 2016's gonna be great, comics are great!
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When I first started drawing my comic I tried to impose puritan boundaries on myself regarding peachy jiggling anuses and characters pissing in their own mouths but now I am so sad that it's just border-to-border undulatory wasteland of bubblegum flesh and warped misshapen jaws connected by arcs of saffron piss (my characters piss out of their anuses because they are female), there's some titties in there too but they're all-natural due to an unavailability of silicone in the world that I have created. Edited for spelling. Avshalom fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Avshalom posted:When I first started drawing my comic I tried to impose puritan boundaries on myself regarding peachy jiggling anuses and characters pissing in their own mouths but now I am so sad that it's just border-to-border undulatory wasteland of bubblegum flesh and warped misshapen jaws connected by arcs of saffron piss (my characters piss out of their anuses because they are female), there's some titties in there too but they're all-natural due to an unavailability of silicone in the world that I have created. I printed and framed this post. Content: Dear 2016, I should draw more. Maybe do the comic I want to do. Please give me the time required to pull this off. Love, me.
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SynthOrange posted:Come read webcomics m'lord. Save the queen---princess. Queen makes her sound old.
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