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Consensual sex with a member of your staff = Drugging and raping double digits. Nice to know, Drinky Duck.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 06:44 |
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Wapole Languray posted:Can a Brit actually tell us why Corbyn is hated so much? From what I can tell it's basically "He's a COMMIE! And OLD!" Not a brit, but here I go. It's basically that. He presents himself as an old, grumpy leftist. He refuses to play the media game and it allows them to get more shots in. Some of his policies are supported in general but he falls into some obvious pitfalls. Trident is one, the handling of the recent reshuffle is another, then there was that time his shadow chancellor quoted Mao directly, and that other time Jez said he was in favour of a peaceful solution to ISIS... The list goes on. It also doesn't help that he beat even the opponents that the "left leaning" (read: neoliberal or blairite) press were supporting. they are still really salty over that. In summary, there is a lot more nuance to the situation but it really does boil down to "he is old and leftist gently caress you"
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Wapole Languray posted:Can a Brit actually tell us why Corbyn is hated so much? From what I can tell it's basically "He's a COMMIE! And OLD!" Not a Brit, so someone else could probably explain better, but basically he's a commie and old. In other words, he represents Old Labour, that is, the Labour Party back when they were a real social democratic party before the 80s and Thatcher and the 90s and Blair, who loudly trumpeted New Labour which was basically the same thing that happened everywhere else in the western world at the time: the nominally left-wing party formally accepted neoliberal economics, just in a slightly less brutal form, and made a dramatic shift to the centre and the right, leading to the kind of "both parties are more or less the same economically but with social differences" critique that also exists in the US and elsewhere. Recently, a populist insurgent campaign by a massive number of Labour supporters elected Jeremy Corbyn, an Old Labourite who has never given in and never renounced social democracy and never accepted Blair's New Labour shift, to be the leader of the party, which has caused massive infighting between the New Labour establishment and Corbyn's Old Labour supporters. Besides that, the British media is extremely, extremely right-wing with very few noteworthy exceptions like the Guardian. New Labour is too left wing for them the same way centrist Democrats are too left wing for the Tea Party. So the possibility of an actual honest-to-god Old Labour socialist like Jeremy Corbyn having any kind of power has sent them into a frothing mania of hatred and bile. And even the notionally left-wing papers are still much more New Labour than Old Labour and still want Corbyn out, either because of ideological differences or because they think he could never win the next general election (which is still years away). Since the image we get in this thread is the newspaper image rather than the "still popular among Labour members who elected him in the first place" image, the politoons thread sees a very very negative impression of Corbyn as an old commie who is unelectable but would ruin everything if he ever did somehow get some power.
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WarpedNaba posted:Consensual sex with a member of your staff = Drugging and raping double digits. Nice to know, Drinky Duck. Comparing him to Cosby is probably inaccurate, but I'm not super comfortable with saying that Bill has a clean record. Even if these cartoonists are just referring to Lewinsky.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 06:59 |
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Wapole Languray posted:Can a Brit actually tell us why Corbyn is hated so much? From what I can tell it's basically "He's a COMMIE! And OLD!" yeah... and he collects manhole covers and makes jam. What an rear end in a top hat.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 07:19 |
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vyelkin posted:Not a Brit, so someone else could probably explain better, but basically he's a commie and old. Brit here chiming in to say that this is almost entirely right, but it's worth emphasizing this part. There are only 8 or so major national newspapers in England (not sure what the situation is like in the rest of the UK), and they're controlled by a small handful of very rich people. The Times and Sun are owned by Murdoch, the Daily Mail needs no introduction, the Express is owned by a right-wing porn baron who desperately wants to be knighted, the Independent and Evening Standard are owned by a Russian oligarch (who mostly leaves them to their own devices, but occasionally insists on favourable coverage for the Tories such as last year's General Election) and the Telegraph is owned by a pair of tax-dodging billionaires. The only exceptions are the Mirror, a left-wing tabloid that's been understandably wary about being too pro-Corbyn in case it hurts its populist credentials, and the Guardian, which has a sprouted a massive hate-boner for Corbyn in an attempt to prove how mature and sensible it is. e: so if you match the cartoonists to the papers, you'll see that the Guardian, and sometimes the Independent and Times cartoonists are very much to the left of their paper's editorial line. Someone asked earlier why the UK toons are generally so much better than US ones, and whether there's a big sea of poo poo ones that aren't being posted. Bear in mind how much more restricted our newspaper scene is compared to the US and you'll appreciate that what you're seeing is basically all the mainstream newspaper cartoons in Britain for any given day - of the big papers, only 4 or 5 have regular political cartoonists, and smaller regional papers are dying and probably have better things to spend their money on. And as has been pointed out here and in the last thread, they're guilty of all the same fallacies US cartoonists are (except Rowson, who's just impenetrable instead) just with prettier art. this has been your regular scheduled update on British newspapers Gato fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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First Dog on the Moon: Reference: Immigration spends more than Defence on medals for its staff
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 11:02 |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/opinion/sunday/the-strip-brian-mcfadden-comics.html
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Wapole Languray posted:Can a Brit actually tell us why Corbyn is hated so much? From what I can tell it's basically "He's a COMMIE! And OLD!" Because he is an actual left-wing politician who was chosen to lead a party that the media has been prodding more and more to the right over the last 20 years. They need to character assassinate him lest he undo all their hard work! Every "controversy" so far surrounding the guy has been an incredibly far-reach. He doesn't clean himself up because he's told to and he treats minor incidents like minor incidents rather than obey what the media says are Big Deals. Seriously, the guys biggest political scandals wouldn't even register as issues to a freeper if Obama committed them. Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Calico Heart posted:Because he is an actual left-wing politician who was chosen to lead a party that the media has been prodding more and more to the right over the last 20 years. They need to character assassinate him lest he undo all their hard work! Freepers are upset this week because Obama got US soldiers released from Iran in less than 24 hours
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 13:11 |
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Quite a thespian cartoon. Well done, Jarlsberg.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 13:12 |
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Despair thy charm, And let the angel whom thou still hast served Tell thee, MacTrump was from his mother’s womb Untimely ripped.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 13:33 |
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"Migrant Rapes of European Women" Kirschen's source (the Spectator)
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 13:48 |
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Pickled Tink posted:First Dog on the Moon: "As much as I love this country, it's probably one of the most racially intolerant in the world, well in line with South Africa," -David Bowie
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 14:10 |
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But, but, but... This is actually a pun that works... And it is even kind of witty, too.. I wonder whether Jarlsberg found a ghostwriter or whether he had a stroke.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 14:11 |
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Ibogaine posted:But, but, but... This is actually a pun that works... And it is even kind of witty, too.. Jarlsberg may be a racist gently caress, but he knows what a joke is, and how to make one.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 14:24 |
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420 Gank Mid posted:Freepers are upset this week because Obama got US soldiers released from Iran in less than 24 hours Corbyn rode a bike which was subsequently described as 'Mao-esque' in a leading national newspaper. This is not a joke. Then he didn't bow low enough during a public ceremony which lead to a full week of etiquette columns and pictures with graphic overlays of exact angles. What else am I forgetting? Oh yeah - he doesn't like wearing ties, so that was another week's worth of 'scruffy Jez' headlines. Dude has made some genuine blunders but loving hell the press have it out for him. Never seen them so personally offended.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 14:38 |
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darkwasthenight posted:Corbyn rode a bike which was subsequently described as 'Mao-esque' in a leading national newspaper. This is not a joke. I was curious so I googled the bike thing and it led me to this pretty great vice article http://www.vice.com/read/chairman-mao-corbyn-bike-475
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 14:46 |
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Does Corbyn actually have a lazy eye cause most of the Brit cartoonists seem to draw him with one.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 14:56 |
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Gato posted:Brit here chiming in to say that this is almost entirely right, but it's worth emphasizing this part. There are only 8 or so major national newspapers in England (not sure what the situation is like in the rest of the UK), and they're controlled by a small handful of very rich people. The Times and Sun are owned by Murdoch, the Daily Mail needs no introduction, the Express is owned by a right-wing porn baron who desperately wants to be knighted, the Independent and Evening Standard are owned by a Russian oligarch (who mostly leaves them to their own devices, but occasionally insists on favourable coverage for the Tories such as last year's General Election) and the Telegraph is owned by a pair of tax-dodging billionaires. The only exceptions are the Mirror, a left-wing tabloid that's been understandably wary about being too pro-Corbyn in case it hurts its populist credentials, and the Guardian, which has a sprouted a massive hate-boner for Corbyn in an attempt to prove how mature and sensible it is. So it's like what we'd get if Fox News and Rupert Murdoch owned larger portion of the media than they already do?
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 15:08 |
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They're going to insulate him from actual criticism with bollocks like that
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 15:09 |
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Internet Kraken posted:Does Corbyn actually have a lazy eye cause most of the Brit cartoonists seem to draw him with one. No. Either they're just drawing him like that to be childish and try and paint him as a swivel-eyed loon, or they're trying to associate him with Gordon Brown, who's been used as a scapegoat by the pro-banker press because of the recession, as Brown did have something up with one eye due to an injury in youth or something. Basically it's "wrong and so goddamn stupid" in drawing form without giving him anything to be wrong or stupid about - like not actually putting nukes on our subs unless we're about to actually use them which fits in with the second-strike purpose of the loving hundred billion pound paper-weights in the first place. We can't afford to ensure our children are being fed, but we can still afford in this austerity-minded government to ensure we keep waggling our dick at other countries with Trident.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 15:22 |
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Poor Gordon Brown, getting blamed for the economy just because he was chancellor of the exchequer for ten years. Corbyn screws up one eye a lot of the time, normally because he's glowering at the Tory benches for hooting and hollering in the commons. e: heck, Blair gets drawn with one mad eye too. So did Maggie. Mr. Squishy fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Trogdos! posted:"Migrant Rapes of European Women" "Scary brown people are coming to rape white women!" Way to go old school with your bigotry, Kirschen.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 15:35 |
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Guest writer: Todd Rool
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 15:51 |
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The Larch posted:Jarlsberg may be a racist gently caress, but he knows what a joke is, and how to make one. You're probably right, I was just surprised that I unironically liked that one.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 15:53 |
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Bell with the nightmare fuel.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 16:16 |
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Accurate.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 16:42 |
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Hillary: Good, take Michael Bay out before he can "Transformers" again. O'Malley: Let's talk about something with a higher critical score and better public reception. Obviously people care about Star Wars more that 13 hours. Sanders: I agree 100%. If you take a small family to a movie these days it'll cost over $100 including refreshments, and that's pretty insane. Was I supposed to disagree with this comic, because it's pretty compelling as is.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 17:18 |
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TheTatteredKing posted:They're going to insulate him from actual criticism with bollocks like that Believe it or not, it was a lot worse during the Scottish Independence referendum. Both the unionist politicians and the media cried wolf with bollocks like "postage will cost more" and "the SNP will scrap Trident (which most Scots hate)". While there were plenty of holes in the Nationalists' independence plan (the Scottish economy would be absolutely hosed when the price of oil dropped, for instance), the whole thing wound up galvanizing the SNP's support and destroying support among the elderly and the younger generation. It wound up the same way too - the unionist parties had to promise a whole load of stuff they hadn't intended to pull off a win, and they got absolutely reamed in Scotland in the general. The British media really hasn't learned that spewing bullshit doesn't work when the public can fact check without getting out of their chair.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 17:18 |
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Best day of the week:
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 17:24 |
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I feel like this is a sharp change from how cartoonists depicted the economy in 2008.
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 17:28 |
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Iceberg-Slim posted:Best day of the week: Aww Kelly everyone knows it's the opposite God just needed Bowie to finish making the greatest band in the universe
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 17:31 |
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having a stock broker is totally relatable to the average person
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 17:37 |
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Gato posted:...There are only 8 or so major national newspapers in England (not sure what the situation is like in the rest of the UK), and they're controlled by a small handful of very rich people. The Times and Sun are owned by Murdoch, the Daily Mail needs no introduction, the Express is owned by a right-wing porn baron who desperately wants to be knighted, the Independent and Evening Standard are owned by a Russian oligarch (who mostly leaves them to their own devices, but occasionally insists on favourable coverage for the Tories such as last year's General Election) and the Telegraph is owned by a pair of tax-dodging billionaires... All of these guys appear regularly in cartoons as well for being awful:
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# ? Jan 18, 2016 17:41 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:I feel like this is a sharp change from how cartoonists depicted the economy in 2008. IIRC, the talking point on the right in 2008 was that the panic was an entirely media-created phenomenon and that America's fundamentals were strong.
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Iceberg-Slim posted:Best day of the week: I like that Bowie still got into heaven despite being bad
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