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It's the ultimate fate of all aging alt rock stars, just like aging hair metal guys all end up going country. One of my favourite anecdotes is about the time I was listening to BBC Radio 2 in the car one Friday afternoon when Patrick Monahan and the guy who plays guitar with them was the guest, and a caller rang in to brag about how the previous night they'd been "rocking out" to Train. Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 13:43 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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I wish I knew one to recommend but I've actually been looking for something like that myself, so if I find one I'll gladly PM you the info. I'm definitely gonna pick up the book you mentioned, stuff like that is extremely my poo poo. And to be perfectly honest, I'd much rather work for a record industry run by mobsters than the accountant run mess we ended up with. Fortunately I picked up a gig doing post production audio a few years back so I no longer have to count on those poo poo heads deigning to cut me a check 6 months after the fact in order to pay my rent. E: whoops, looks like you don't have plat, so if I find one I'll just post the info at you in a thread somewhere. the future is WOW has a new favorite as of 13:44 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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No worries - this is the book I was talking about, by the way. Got it for Christmas, read it over the last couple of weeks. Looking forward to the one he has coming out about Beale Street.
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Thanks man, that looks great. And yeah, that Beale Street book he's got coming out in March looks like it could be really good too.
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Speaking of hair metal and transitioning genres, it always seems funny how much of the 90s and 00s adult contemporary world has roots in hair metal. Michael Bolton is probably the only major one to stay in front of the microphone, but a lot of the writers in the genre tried to be spandex-clad, big haired rockers in the 80s. It makes a lot of sense if you listen to the many hair ballads, as theu're not so far away.
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Choco1980 posted:Speaking of hair metal and transitioning genres, it always seems funny how much of the 90s and 00s adult contemporary world has roots in hair metal. Michael Bolton is probably the only major one to stay in front of the microphone, but a lot of the writers in the genre tried to be spandex-clad, big haired rockers in the 80s. It makes a lot of sense if you listen to the many hair ballads, as theu're not so far away. It's that and country - the most influential producers in Nashville in the past 20 years were Mutt Lange (who was famous for producing Def Leppard albums) and Dann Huff (who was previously the lead singer and guitarist in a hair metal band called Giant). I think it's because the onset of the 1990s saw a combination of grunge and the increasing influence of production techniques which percolated across from hip-hop meant there wasn't really much use for the whole network of producers and session musicians (a.k.a. Toto  ) who had played on everything to come out of Los Angeles throughout the 1980s... except in Nashville, where that style of production and that kind of guitar-playing were still in high demand.Check out this article - it's from about five years ago but it makes the point fairly well.
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Smoking Crow posted:Marathon Infinity is one of my favorite games. To me, the Marathon games are the best told stories in video gaming. The story page still exists and it looks exactly the same. Some of my theories are up there Oh, it definitely is. The problem with Marathon is that it was always an "oddball." It was developed and released on a platform that was underused, and it was ahead of it's time in many aspects. I remember getting so excited that Doom finally got ported to the Mac, and then being so disappointed at how boring and rudimentary it was. I also remember Doom players trying to play Marathon and just not comprehending a Y-axis. In a way Doom is much like a platformer in a 3D environment. Not much thought required, you just have to survive your journey from the entrance to the exit. Marathon required you to actually read and comprehend things, and complete tasks on top of that. Of course by the time that proliferated to the mainstream, it was much easier to imbed audio into games, as well as have a seamless world, so no levels to complete for the most part. Sadly, I don't think there's ever really been an analogue to what Marathon Infinity brought to the table. A branching storyline that could take you to different levels depending on how you completed a task, or even sending you back to levels you've already been to. Plus certain levels and branches that couldn't be reached unless you completed levels in a certain way via co-op play. Unfortunately today, you can't get away with telling a story via text 2 minutes down the hallway, you have to have a holographic titty girl show up and verbally explain how you complete a task as you're doing it. Mu Zeta posted:19? I think the worst part of being a Mac owner is that you always had to wait on ports from other platforms. I played a shitload of Sierra On-Line games because of that. I certainly spent too many hours playing the original Leisure Suit Larry, well before I should have, as I didn't really understand what was going on a lot of the time. I always liked the Space Quests, and Red Barron (even if I was really bad at it, and spent most of my time crashing). twistedmentat posted:Them and Soundgarden I remember being out just before Nirvana broke. But yea, it was a weird time because it was a huge sea change that came almost over night. I think my experience was a little different during the grunge changeover because I grew up in Seattle and liked listening to the AOR station in the mornings, so I had some Queensryche, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden exposure beforehand, and was familiar with their metal days. I do remember "grunge" suddenly going into heavy rotation everywhere around 1993/1994, with 1995 being the golden year for all alternative music. I still insist that Nirvana was the only true grunge band. AIC had always been that weird not quite metal, not quite anything else. Soundgarden while not quite conforming to the tropes of metal at the time, was essentially following the same path most 80's metal bands had followed in mellowing out a bit. Pearl Jam was more Arena Rock, but most of the subject matter of their songs on Ten and Vs, it was perceived as more teen angsty, so they got lumped into grunge due to being from Seattle. twistedmentat posted:That reminds me how in the late 90s it looked like the next big thing was going to be techno/edm/electronic/whatever you want to call it, Chemical Brothers, Daft Punk, Crystal Method, Prodigy, Moby, and others all where huge hits, dominating the charts. But it lasted less than a year, because then Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears came out and bam, it was Boy Bands and poptarts suddenly. This is not really a counter-point, but I remember reading something a few years back about trends in popular music. A lot of what's popular can be seen as a reflection of the times they were released. The end of glam metal and pop music and the rise of "grunge" and gangster rap was in the early 90's as the perceived glamor of the Regan era was wearing off into the era of Bush I. You saw all that Boy band stuff coming to rise during the end of the Clinton era when things were looking up for America again. It falls apart in the Bush II era as how music was disseminated changed majorly, and the genres fractured into a million little niches leaving pop radio to do the best it can to staunch the hemorrhaging. There still seems to still be a thread to it, it's just harder to quantify, although since things seem to be similar to the end of the Clinton days, it seems that it's a pretty positive review of the how well the Obama administration has been perceived. Choco1980 posted:(every decade takes a few years to really find its "identity") I don't really think any decade gains it's "identity" until it's 5th year. '$0, '$1, and '$2 are typically indistinguishable from the previous decade. Around '$3 you'll start seeing certain things begin to trend that will eventually become part of the "identity," and '$5-'$7 are the peak identity years. whiteyfats posted:Was the early 90s the last gasp of Adult Contemporary? Ya know, Rod Stewart (who I like I get the feeling that "Adult Contemporary" is just the label that got attached to the genre that is producing new music to appeal to people in their mid-30's to 40's at around 1990. It's new, quasi-similar to what they were listening to in high-school, and a bit mellower as they're having families and settling into houses, and careers. It will always be there, just under different names. EDIT: Wheat Loaf posted:It's that and country - the most influential producers in Nashville in the past 20 years were Mutt Lange (who was famous for producing Def Leppard albums) and Dann Huff (who was previously the lead singer and guitarist in a hair metal band called Giant). I think it's because the onset of the 1990s saw a combination of grunge and the increasing influence of production techniques which percolated across from hip-hop meant there wasn't really much use for the whole network of producers and session musicians (a.k.a. Toto This is exactly why country has been so popular lately, it's the new "Adult Contemporary" Iron Crowned has a new favorite as of 16:24 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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I was gonna post Frank Zappa's take on the decline of the music industry, but that was in the '80's. So instead here's the pilot of a show that had his music for a while (plus his son) that everyone should watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kie4MV0VbgU
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Jan 15, 2016 16:36
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whiteyfats posted:Well, Mac owners only had 19 games What one was it where you were an archaeologist in Egypt and had to select grid squares to search, with either a shovel trowel or brush to find artefacts? I remember playing the gently caress out in school around 1997 on old macs and never completing it cause break time was over.
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Did anyone do this one yet?
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om nom nom posted:Did anyone do this one yet? No but I watched them, or tried to back in '07(?). It was up in Scottsdale and some club had set up a stage in a small parking lot between two storefronts. They were the "headliner" and I wanted to wallow in teenage nostalgia for a little bit, but my friend and I got bored and left before they even took the stage, I think. The whole Phoenix area at the time had a desperation-to-claim-relevance-to-alt-rock vibe, like a few one or two hit wonders in the '90's came out of Tempe via the city-sized frat house that was/is ASU. At one point Blues Traveler, Live, and some other 90's band was on tour and of course they came to Tempe, and of course I was drinking too much to afford or have the time to go to that show. My teenage self would have been disappointed with me. Why yes, I do have poo poo taste in music.
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om nom nom posted:Did anyone do this one yet? I had totally forgot about that band. Sex and Candy was pretty big for a short time.
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When I saved up for my first discman I bought that album, metallica's reload, and 311's 311 to go with it.
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whiteyfats posted:I had totally forgot about that band. Sex and Candy was pretty big for a short time. Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRcP7CxJYxc Someone I doubt any can remember, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8wMWInVFs Both of these I heard like once or twice twenty years ago, then finally found them once Google's algorithm could parse four or five words of mis-remembered song lyrics. ryonguy has a new favorite as of 02:55 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Jan 16, 2016 02:49
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ryonguy posted:Also Caroline's Spine is awesome and I'll not hear a word otherwise.
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Every one is going to have a different memory of musics evolution until a decade or so ago, because it would be limited to what was on the local radio, what was on MTV/Muchmusic/what ever video tv programs were available, and what music was preformed locally. Growing up, there was only a handful of local stations, and they were either oldies, classic rock, easy listening and one pop station that played top 40 hits. I remember distinctly the DJ on the classic rock station saying he'd never play Nirvana because rock will never be better than Rush, Zep or G N R. It is scary how many albums Garth Brooks sold. All those New Country guys sold a scary number of albums. This is a Kids in the hall Sketch, but these kinds of guys I remember. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF2X1o0FGA0 At least 3 guys I know had dads exactly like this. Long hair, those hip glasses, always was trying to be down with the kids. "hey guys if you want, i got some porn you can watch" Uh no thanks Mr Johnson, that's fine, we're just gonna play Street Fighter.
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whiteyfats posted:The video for Scream was over a million dollars, I think. It was the most expensive music video at something like $7million, and the average cost of music videos in the late 90s was around $1m (source: an issue of Billboard I can't remember when trying to find any hard data about the cost effectiveness of music videos).
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Chocolate Teapot posted:It was the most expensive music video at something like $7million, and the average cost of music videos in the late 90s was around $1m (source: an issue of Billboard I can't remember when trying to find any hard data about the cost effectiveness of music videos). Holy poo poo.
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MyChemicalImbalance posted:What one was it where you were an archaeologist in Egypt and had to select grid squares to search, with either a shovel trowel or brush to find artefacts? I remember playing the gently caress out in school around 1997 on old macs and never completing it cause break time was over. Weirdly it looks like the companies producing these edutainment games are still around and still publishing ugly Windows versions of the same titles twenty years later.
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twistedmentat posted:Every one is going to have a different memory of musics evolution until a decade or so ago, because it would be limited to what was on the local radio, what was on MTV/Muchmusic/what ever video tv programs were available, and what music was preformed locally. Growing up, there was only a handful of local stations, and they were either oldies, classic rock, easy listening and one pop station that played top 40 hits. I remember distinctly the DJ on the classic rock station saying he'd never play Nirvana because rock will never be better than Rush, Zep or G N R. I think everybody's musical tastes solidify around their early teens and everything else we like after that hits some thought strain of music from our high school years. On the plus side, CD hunting at thrift shops for me is great because 90% of the stuff people are throwing out is stuff from the heyday of CD's, the 90's.
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On the down side, I went to a Goodwill and found almost 20 separate copies of Chumbawamba's Tubthumper.
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Tacopocalypse posted:On the down side, I went to a Goodwill and found almost 20 separate copies of Chumbawamba's Tubthumper. I already have it but I keep seeing a new copy regularly. The copy sells, then another nerd clears out his collection, and another spawns. Also GBS distills this thread to its platonic form. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3760371
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ryonguy posted:No but I watched them, or tried to back in '07(?). It was up in Scottsdale and some club had set up a stage in a small parking lot between two storefronts. They were the "headliner" and I wanted to wallow in teenage nostalgia for a little bit, but my friend and I got bored and left before they even took the stage, I think. The whole Phoenix area at the time had a desperation-to-claim-relevance-to-alt-rock vibe, like a few one or two hit wonders in the '90's came out of Tempe via the city-sized frat house that was/is ASU. At one point Blues Traveler, Live, and some other 90's band was on tour and of course they came to Tempe, and of course I was drinking too much to afford or have the time to go to that show. My teenage self would have been disappointed with me. Tempe bands? You're thinking of the Gin Blossoms and The Refreshments.
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sinking belle posted:After a little bit of googling this sounds like Arcventure. Apparently there were a bunch in the series based on different historical periods/locales. My school had the Vikings one in its computer lab (which was exclusively stocked with Acorn Archimedeses until 2002) and I played it to death. Yes! That's the one, seems it was Arcventure II that was in Egypt. I never got to the end of it and it looks really dry and terrible now but I loved it. I think I loved it too much to try the windows versions today, I'll just fondly remember all the alabaster cats I recovered in my youth instead.
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BarbarousBertha posted:Tempe bands? Fizzy, Fuzzy, Big & Buzzy is one of my all-time favorite albums. It was also one of the first CD's I ever owned. Don't ask me why.
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Gin Blossoms was an alright band. I like Found Out About You.
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whiteyfats posted:Gin Blossoms was an alright band. I like Found Out About You.
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FactsAreUseless posted:What you actually mean is "New Miserable Experience was an alright album." Everyone forgets they released more after their lead singer killed himself. They weren't good. And he was the songwriter! No wonder they went to poo poo afterwards. New Miserable Experience was a decent album, though.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Fizzy, Fuzzy, Big & Buzzy is one of my all-time favorite albums. It was also one of the first CD's I ever owned. Because it is awesome start to finish. Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers are still touring, I saw them in Texas last year.
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I remember chatting in The Palace and those loving things (or a variation of them) were everywhere. They had them for dudebros too, and you couldn't be a cool guy unless you had a buff pixel art shirtless douche with an upside down Abercrombie and Fitch visor as your avatar. I either made or someone gave me an avatar of Simon from Prozzak. His head was animated to bob back and forth.
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FactsAreUseless posted:What you actually mean is "New Miserable Experience was an alright album." Everyone forgets they released more after their lead singer killed himself. They weren't good. 90s pedantry report: he was the songwriter, but he was the guitar player, not the singer. Also, I liked "day job." There only decent song not on that album, probably because it's about the rest of their lives. And that fade in is 90s as all get out.
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Seldom Posts posted:90s pedantry report: he was the songwriter, but he was the guitar player, not the singer. His songwriting seemed to have a bit more to it than most of the pop bands of the era.
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Seldom Posts posted:90s pedantry report: he was the songwriter, but he was the guitar player, not the singer. Huh, crazy.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Wait, seriously? Their vocalist wasn't the songwriter? eh, facts are useless anyway.
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 Dollmakers! I don't remember how I found out about them, but 5th grade me thought they were the coolest thing. Me and my sister would make them and our mom was suspicious that it was somehow porn so we had to explain that they were just naked bald girls because they are like paper dolls, but online! Oooooooh they got Game of Thrones ones now!
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PhotoKirk posted:Because it is awesome start to finish. Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers are still touring, I saw them in Texas last year. Pretty much. Nada is and always has been one of my top 10 favorite songs.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I was into dinosaurs in the 1990s, but I think I may have clearer memories of this than I do of Jurassic Park. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr2iQ96em2w First thought
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FactsAreUseless posted:Wait, seriously? Their vocalist wasn't the songwriter? That happens a lot, actually. Sometimes you'll only have one or two people in a band that know how to actually write music. Apparently when Public Enemy started getting big some record executives told them to "get rid of the guy with the stupid clock" only to find out that Flavor Flav wrote basically all of the music. The guy seriously plays like 12 instruments. There's actually a ton of stuff a band needs to do other than "write music" so you'll often have people wearing multiple hats.
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