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BJPaskoff posted:Commander changes: Glad the mana rule is gone, it brought absolutely nothing to the game
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Dragonmaster Outcast does die to shocks for no value and it's basically nothing before it's on. Sylvan advocate is probably just worse than Tasigur right now but I can imagine it having a place at some point.
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I still think the Colorless 'Aggro' deck Chapin made has potential to be really good. Or at least very fun.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Dragonmaster Outcast does die to shocks for no value and it's basically nothing before it's on. Sylvan advocate is probably just worse than Tasigur right now but I can imagine it having a place at some point. Worst case scenario is that it gets shocked for an equal trade in mana or you don't make it to the turn where it gets activated (but you're playing some form of Jeskai with a lot of answers, so...). Best case scenario is usually your opponent blowing it up with more expensive removal, tripping over tempo, or just getting run over in the late game because you grabbed him back with Ojutai's Command. Sylvan Advocate isn't bad at all considering it has fantastic on curve stats but I'm having trouble thinking of a deck that is going to aggressive enough early game and drawing enough late game for it to have an impact at every stage of the game. edit: Also, claim your free win or something in the brew tournament topic.
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Snacksmaniac posted:This is one embarrassing hobby. Would you say it's a Bad Game? 
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Sickening posted:People said that about battle and it didn't happen. Multiformat mythics are usually an expensive thing. 25 bucks is about as good as that gets. What? Everything but Gideon was 10 bucks or less. Ulamog was 10 when I bought my playset. This one will be the same.
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Chairman Pow! posted:That's a really interesting article! It seems like having more options for players added into modern, rather than removing options would be better for long term consumer enjoyment and growing your card game. This is what I don't get. I don't care about what was banned specifically, it is the issue that R&D says they only design for limited and standard, and if stuff is good in other formats ok great. If they did whatever would be necessary to develop with modern in mind as well, the metagame could experience shakeups by new cards and archtypes coming into being every year, rather than just smaking down whatever deck the pro's are most likely to play at the PT so it see's some diversity. The other thing that kills me is you can almost see them touching on modern format design but then they don't pull the trigger. We could have banned Exarch,and then had UWR twin with midnight guard or RUG twin with Bounding Krasis and the deck gets a bit worse, but is still viable.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:What? Everything but Gideon was 10 bucks or less. Ulamog was 10 when I bought my playset. This one will be the same. Ulamog is 50$ now.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Ulamog is 50$ now. No it's not, hth
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Errant Gin Monks posted:What? Everything but Gideon was 10 bucks or less. Ulamog was 10 when I bought my playset. This one will be the same. If gideon was more than 10 dollars how is everything cheaper than 10 dollars? Hell, Ulamog was wasn't cheaper than 10 dollars even at TCG low. Now both standard and modern are poised to use Ulamog more often and what do you know... 25 bucks again. A few months from now we might be saying 25 bucks was a good buy in time if you wanted to play him. Sickening fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:Ulamog is 50$ now. 25, guy.
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kizudarake posted:25, guy. Apparently I shouldn't listen to bystanders when I'm making trades at the LGS.
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Yeah someone mentioned this earlier but Fulminator Mage is probably a good thing to get now rather than later if you are thinking of getting them
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Count Bleck posted:I still think the Colorless 'Aggro' deck Chapin made has potential to be really good. For standard this could be a real deck. I really like the land utility. Seems like a busy deck. Skyl3lazer posted:Yeah someone mentioned this earlier but Fulminator Mage is probably a good thing to get now rather than later if you are thinking of getting them Its slowly been going up since the bans. Once an article comes out with "cards to watch" its going to probably shoot up.
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Sickening posted:If gideon was more than 10 dollars how is everything cheaper than 10 dollars? Hell, Ulamog was wasn't cheaper than 10 dollars even at TCG low. Okay mr pedantic, everything but one card was 10 bucks or less. I don't care what TCG mid says you could get Newlamog for 10 bucks all over the place. That one card was a 4 of slot in to one of the most popular decks in the place of Elspeth. If a few months from now Kozilek's Return hasn't gone down I guess I will buy them higher but it will go down. It's not Jace. It's really good and I want them but 25 is too high I THINK.
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Anger of the Gods is a better card and it peaked at $5. The difference between rare and mythic is not enough to make Kozilek's Return five times as much, especially in a set in which any pack has the chance of containing Wasteland.
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It's definitely better than Anger in the ramp deck. I suspect the instant speed part could be super relevant in modern also.
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Would you say it's a Bad Game?  Legacy talk. Anything anyone excited about? I just want to play new Kozilek in 12 post.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Anger of the Gods is a better card and it peaked at $5. The difference between rare and mythic is not enough to make Kozilek's Return five times as much, especially in a set in which any pack has the chance of containing Wasteland. Anger of the gods is harder to cast and isn't instant, both very relevant in formats with manlands. There is a good chance that it will be used more in modern than standard but it remains to be seen. Also, what if anger of the gods was mythic? Considering so many sideboards had it as a 3x and 4x in standard with it being a 1x in modern as well, it could have been a pretty pricey card in a hurry. What the price will be will totally depend on how much it catches on in modern and how often it shows up in standard. Pretty decent chances at both. Mythic just matters when a card is popular when it comes to the price. Sickening fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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nah i don't think this set feeds into major legacy archetypes. 12post or mud get some stuff. most of the powerful poo poo requires C and most manabases that are generating C don't want those cards
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Skyl3lazer posted:Yeah someone mentioned this earlier but Fulminator Mage is probably a good thing to get now rather than later if you are thinking of getting them Okay, which of you bought out starcity + cardkingdom + channelfireball of their 29.99 copies...? edit: 20 copies just mysteriously appeared on CFB. Alright, LSV... we know it's you.
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deftest posted:Okay, which of you bought out starcity + cardkingdom + channelfireball of their 29.99 copies...? Well would you look at that, it's back to its old price. 
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Why would anyone buyout the expensive ones from those 3 before tcg player?
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Sickening posted:Why would anyone buyout the expensive ones from those 3 before tcg player? Travis Woo is shorting the market.
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Sickening posted:Anger of the gods is harder to cast and isn't instant, both very relevant in formats with manlands. There is a good chance that it will be used more in modern than standard but it remains to be seen. Also, what if anger of the gods was mythic? Considering so many sideboards had it as a 3x and 4x in standard with it being a 1x in modern as well, it could have been a pretty pricey card in a hurry. The most widely used manland is 2/3 so it doesn't kill it. It also doesn't kill many of the new creatures in this set or the creatures used in the last. Not that I don't think it's a great card it is, but it isn't a 25 dollar card in my opinion.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:The most widely used manland is 2/3 so it doesn't kill it. It also doesn't kill many of the new creatures in this set or the creatures used in the last. Not that I don't think it's a great card it is, but it isn't a 25 dollar card in my opinion. Like are you skipping the parts I talk about modern? You are confusing me. As far as standard goes it great against mardu/jeskai tokens and does well against atarka red due to instant speed. If creature ramps becomes more common it will be good against it too. Just a lot to wait for there. The question that needs to be answered is if this will be used over radiant flames, which also doesn't hit manlands at all. If it is used more than radiant flames it will hold value better. Sickening fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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BJPaskoff posted:Commander changes:  Like MLK I also had a dream, a dream where Prophet of Kruphix hosed off and never came back. You get one turn per turn, motherfuckers. It's telling that, at least in my playgroup, Prophet was the target for tutoring, stealing, reanimation, and cloning basically 100% of the time. Like, even when someone had one already, they would clone it just to have a backup. I almost hope I play against someone who wants to disregard that banlist and play Prophet just so I can say Sure let me sleeve up this Emrakul real quick.
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Why are these Eldrazi decks running Scrabbling Claws over Relic of Progenitus? Don't want to exile their own graveyard for fear of the mirror?
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Entropic posted:Why are these Eldrazi decks running Scrabbling Claws over Relic of Progenitus? Don't want to exile their own graveyard for fear of the mirror? Targets the cards not the opponent. Doesn't turn off against leylines.
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black potus posted:nah i don't think this set feeds into major legacy archetypes. 12post or mud get some stuff. most of the powerful poo poo requires C and most manabases that are generating C don't want those cards I'm going to try Warping Wail in Death and Taxes.
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Sickening posted:Targets the cards not the opponent. Doesn't turn off against leylines. Uh, maybe read it again?
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POssibly, but yeah that seems a little sketchy. Relic lets you potentially a lot of Wasteland Stranglers and Blight herders at once.
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Entropic posted:Why are these Eldrazi decks running Scrabbling Claws over Relic of Progenitus? Don't want to exile their own graveyard for fear of the mirror? Can you link some lists that are just running claws and not Relic? The lists I've seen are 4x relic 1-3x claws.
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I'll answer in the eternal thread too, but Dredge might play Natural State
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suicidesteve posted:Uh, maybe read it again? The cycling ability on claws targets the card, so when you positively absolutely need to exile a specific card against an opponent with Leyline in play, you can. Edit: Wait, Progenitus' cycle doesn't target the player either. Weird.
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Entropic posted:Why are these Eldrazi decks running Scrabbling Claws over Relic of Progenitus? Don't want to exile their own graveyard for fear of the mirror?
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Lets Pickle posted:POssibly, but yeah that seems a little sketchy. Relic lets you potentially a lot of Wasteland Stranglers and Blight herders at once. The first mode of those cards both target a player, and the second mode doesn't target a player in either case. I wasn't aware that there was a version of the deck that played Claws but not Relics. The only reason I could see is if it's BW so it doesn't turn off their Lingering Souls, which seems like pretty sketchy reasoning,
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suicidesteve posted:Uh, maybe read it again? You are right. It seems people may be using it over relic because its cheaper and they are running cards where their graveyard is relevant to keep intact?
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jassi007 posted:Can you link some lists that are just running claws and not Relic? The lists I've seen are 4x relic 1-3x claws. Oh yeah, so they are.
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