theflyingorc posted:

but they believe in a society with rules but nobody enforces them

theflyingorc posted:

Sure, whatever, but acting like this is a point against the feds is just goofy. We can't pretend that the argument has ever been "these people need to be cordoned off otherwise they'll go and commit domestic-related crimes in another state."

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Santilli's words were that they are now "with their mommy", which I take to mean that Melissa Cooper went to go get their kids. There was also mention of a charter flight to "somewhere the government can't get them", so they may also have skipped the country?

Perfectly Safe posted:

If you can stand this, there's a bit of a video clip here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3n1s1p_pete-santilli-and-partial-patriots-exploit-scared-little-girls-to-further-agenda_news

There's a volume issue - at about 2.15 the guy starts yelling at the video and...he's much louder than the video.

This is just the kids being hurried out of the house, but there's a woman there who I can only imagine is Melissa.

As a Millennial I posted:

Some lady in the chat now believes that famous Food Network chef Robert Irvine is hanging out in there. Amazing

kartikeya posted:

Speaking of not reading posts, I reiterate, stop comparing this to loving Ferguson.

Geostomp posted:

Last I heard, they didn't want to "escalate" the situation by cutting power. Providing generators may or may not be budgeted.

Intel&Sebastian posted:

No thanks.

Not everyone is so willing to sit and come up with excuses for state police and the very very serious and important reasons why one state sends the military after protests, and another sends material aid, gives them unlimited access to the media and lets them terrorize a town like they own it for more than two weeks.

Might be right, might be wrong, but if one of the reasons you don't want to move in on Malheur is to not inspire further trouble then I question the thinking behind broadcasting your weeks long intense babying of armed white nutcases with grievances about land management to cities full of people who just protested for matters of life and death and got stomped for it.

I've read every excuse possible for why this is ok but Ferguson isn't, I don't live anywhere near ferguson, I'm not black, and I still understand and don't invalidate anyone's anger about the difference.

As a Millennial I posted:

kartikeya posted:

This is absolutely a point against the FBI if they straight up sat back and let this happen because they couldn't be bothered to even track these shitheads when they kept leaving the refuge and going cross-country.

mugrim posted:

That seems dumb on so many counts. If you're really afraid of OKC 2.0, why let these guys get their message out constantly and rile up their nutter base?

kartikeya posted:

What's stupid is going 'well Ferguson protesters threw a rock! The militants are less violent!' as if these two are both just legit protests, except obviously Ferguson is worse because they're more violent (which is what tends to be implied) than these gosh darn patriots with their guns.

Intel&Sebastian posted:

Oh well poo poo. You appear to have picked up my baton from like 2 days ago and I ranted at you for it. Sorry.

Nevermind me!

To no one in particular: I do appreciate the vast differences in situations enough that I wouldn't declare it a one to one or anything BUUUUT there's easily enough obvious and undeniable differences to be concerned AND enough to (for me at least) understand why anyone who isn't spending their afternoons chewing over this in our amount of detail would say "police in america treat unarmed black people like this, people in america treat armed white people like this".

I understand why someone who IS reading as much as us would say that too, but they'd probably want to tack on a few "of course..."s on the end. But imo, they'd still be fundamentally correct.

thefluffy316 posted:

Press conference stream is up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhyYO67sPW8

mugrim posted:

That seems dumb on so many counts. If you're really afraid of OKC 2.0, why let these guys get their message out constantly and rile up their nutter base?

kartikeya posted:

It's hard to hear, are they telling this lady who has cancer that she has cancer because of the government?

kartikeya posted:

"Are you a sodomite??"

Also he's worried these protesters are going to leave bombs.

Edit: lol, environmental terrorists. Yes, the people with signs are the scary ones.

theflyingorc posted:

it's super fascinating. the level of pure narcissism is amazing.

like most anti-government people, Pete is primarily upset that nobody takes him as the good guy in all situations

kartikeya posted:

Nah, you misunderstand my objection. Comparing police responses is one thing (I'm pissed about it too), and while yes, yes, local police and the FBI are not the same, that doesn't mean you don't run into the same biases or that the FBI is somehow immune to the sort of things that cause this issue with local PD. I mean, really, this is at the level of total farce by this point, and it's not just the FBI, it's the entire response from law enforcement to the media.

What I was and am objecting to is comparing the Ferguson protests to the Oregon occupation while utterly ignoring the circumstances behind both and how ridiculously lopsided they are, or BLM for that matter, as was brought up earlier in the thread. Both BLM and Ferguson are/were responses to multiple ongoing murders of unarmed black people by police to the point that I have literally lost track of how many we have now, on top of decades of mistreatment at the hands of law enforcement, the severity of which depends on the location in question, but which nevertheless is persistent across the country.

Oregon is about a bunch of people throwing a tantrum because two people in their in-group had to serve out the full legal sentence for an arson, which came at the end of about a decade of these same lovely people harassing BLM employees, threatening them, setting fires, and poaching without any real consequences, and is growing into a general tantrum about 'NUH UH I DON'T WANNA' regarding any kind of government at all.

What's stupid is going 'well Ferguson protesters threw a rock! The militants are less violent!' as if these two are both just legit protests, except obviously Ferguson is worse because they're more violent (which is what tends to be implied) than these gosh darn patriots with their guns.