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Regarde Aduck posted:Or he's really just this poo poo at handling the media. I don't know but i'm still not finding myself pining for a blairite. but do you find yourself wishing that when the left-wing of the PLP had gathered to chose their token candidate to run on principle but lose, that maybe it had been someone else's turn but Corbyn's?
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Cerv posted:but do you find yourself wishing that when the left-wing of the PLP had gathered to chose their token candidate to run on principle but lose, that maybe it had been someone else's turn but Corbyn's? So Diane Abbott or McDonnell? I'd have liked to have seen Diane Abbott become Shadow Leader just to make everyone even more angry.
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dispatch_async posted:Allow me to empty the rest of that glass: There are days when I can't even leave my bedroom because my anxiety is so severe. There are times when I write up a post and don't post it, because I'm terrified beyond reason of doing so. After I made this month's OP I spent days worrying about it and thinking it was poo poo and I'll have to make a new account to escape the shame of it. I have, (though this is more boast than confession, being a goon), pissed in a bottle rather than gone to the loo and risked bumping into someone. So if IDS can find me a job where I don't have to talk to anyone at all, don't have anyone ever review what I do, and can take an indefinite amount of time off with zero warning, without upper limits, then yeah I guess that could work. Somehow I'm not entirely convinced, however, that this new project is going to have the nuance he claims.
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Donald Trump debate: Tory MP says UK should 'apologise to US' for having debate about banning the Republicanquote:A Conservative MP has called for the UK to “apologise to the people of the United States” for a petition to ban Donald Trump from the country. Tories falling over themselves to go full fash now Trump's made it fashionable. You might remember Philip Davies as the filibustering jackass who worked so hard to prevent controversial bills such as 'give carers free hospital parking' and 'ban wild animals being used in circuses' from being debated.
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Regarde Aduck posted:It is possible he knows that the media just wants another hit piece and that they'll get it no matter what so he just answers honestly. He could lie and have them twist his words or he can tell the truth and have them twist his words anyway. Or he's really just this poo poo at handling the media. I don't know but i'm still not finding myself pining for a blairite. His honest answer is lackluster in every way and only shows he's not the best person to ask on Las Malvinas though.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Mister Adequate posted:So if IDS can find me a job where I don't have to talk to anyone at all, don't have anyone ever review what I do, and can take an indefinite amount of time off with zero warning, without upper limits, then yeah I guess that could work. Somehow I'm not entirely convinced, however, that this new project is going to have the nuance he claims. I believe you're upper management material! TACD posted:Donald Trump debate: Tory MP says UK should 'apologise to US' for having debate about banning the Republican God what terrible loving reasoning he's got, unless he's already been campaigning for all 180-something people on the banned list to suddenly be allowed freedom to travel.
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Plucky Brit posted:It's pretty much rule 101 of anything that involves building a consensus; start with what you know people will agree on. Kassad posted:"The beatings will continue until morale improves" Regarde Aduck posted:It is possible he knows that the media just wants another hit piece and that they'll get it no matter what so he just answers honestly. He could lie and have them twist his words or he can tell the truth and have them twist his words anyway. Or he's really just this poo poo at handling the media. I don't know but i'm still not finding myself pining for a blairite. This. Why the pissing hell do people persist in the colossally naive idea that Corbyn would get a fair shout from the press if he just said something a little more like they want? Corbyn will *never* get a fair shout from our current press, so he may as well just say what he believes and let them try to pin fake smears on him. Some people will read his actual words and agree with him and that's great, and the people who just read the headlines with zero analysis will get the same basic story - Corbyn sucks - either way. If he'd said something demonstrably counter to his prior positions which are a clear matter of public record it would have been a story about flip-flopping, or a story about him lying, or a story about whatever the gently caress the hacks wanted to write about, just like it was when he stuck to his principles. I mean, they ruined Ed Milliband with a bacon butty and his slightly nerdy voice, to say nothing (which they usually did) about his principles. And given all that, I'd far rather Corbyn continues to be genuine and talk about talking about the sources and causes of problems and negotiating solutions - like he and his compatriots did in NI - rather than bend to the will of the press and start blathering platitudes that won't work anyway. He might not win, but nor would he win if he swang right. Brown tried. Milliband tried. Blair succeeded, sure, but that was basically because it was new, and because it was on the back of 15 years of Thatcher and Major so people had sort of forgotten there was anything different. Last elections the left deserted the polls in droves because the two major parties showed basically no difference on any matters of substance (apparently) so the conservatives squeaked a narrow victory. Now there's a genuine left politician in play in a major party, and they're doing what they can to silence, diminish and ridicule him. Better to lose on good principles and genuinely change the debate, than to cave and do nothing of use and *lose anyway*. That's what bugs me. It's the idea that if there was a centrist blairite spouting tory-lite bullshit, they'd win, when all the prior evidence suggests exactly the loving opposite.
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namesake posted:God what terrible loving reasoning he's got, unless he's already been campaigning for all 180-something people on the banned list to suddenly be allowed freedom to travel.
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Regarde Aduck posted:It is possible he knows that the media just wants another hit piece and that they'll get it no matter what so he just answers honestly. He could lie and have them twist his words or he can tell the truth and have them twist his words anyway. Or he's really just this poo poo at handling the media. I don't know but i'm still not finding myself pining for a blairite. its a shame sadiq khan is unelectable outside of london for a different reason
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thespaceinvader posted:That's what bugs me. It's the idea that if there was a centrist blairite spouting tory-lite bullshit, they'd win, when all the prior evidence suggests exactly the loving opposite. What evidence?
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Pissflaps posted:What evidence? Utter failure to do so in the last two elections.
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Jan 18, 2016 22:40
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the other miliband brother was the blairite and he lost the leadership election
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thespaceinvader posted:Utter failure to do so in the last two elections. Ed Miliband was 'a centrist blairite spouting tory-lite bullshit'? And Gordon Brown?
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Pissflaps posted:Ed Miliband was 'a centrist blairite spouting tory-lite bullshit'? Gordon Brown was a victim of the car flying off the cliff the second he was handed the keys, Ed Miliband's biggest failing was listening too closely to the Blairites imo. Edit: and you can tell that by how easily the Tories were able to take all the popular bits out of the Labour manifesto after they won the election such as the "Living Wage" that isn't actually the living wage.
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Pissflaps posted:Ed Miliband was 'a centrist blairite spouting tory-lite bullshit'?
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Pissflaps posted:Ed Miliband was 'a centrist blairite spouting tory-lite bullshit'? Yes. A key failing was an utter lack of any form of challenge to the narrative of austerity which was and remains so loving central to the Tories'... everything.
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thespaceinvader posted:Words. Labour lost the election last time around because, among other things, Miliband was not seen as being prime-minister material. Do you think people will view Corbyn as better than that? Talking about everything and trying to find consensus is very laudable, however that needs to be paired with knowing the facts. I've seen nothing from Corbyn to suggest that he is up-to-date with the world at large; in the Falklands issue he makes a number of statements which ignore recent history. Blaming the media for all of Corbyn's woes is disingenuous. They have played their part sure, but so has Corbyn. Between this and the terribly organised defence review (Trident without nuclear warheads? So all the cost but none of the benefit.) it appears that he's completely out of his depth.
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Guavanaut posted:Also I think my favourite story about the election is when the Labour spin doctor saw the stone and Ed on tv and just started screaming. Plucky Brit posted:Labour lost the election last time around because, among other things, Miliband was not seen as being prime-minister material. Do you think people will view Corbyn as better than that? That depends on what sort of person they want as prime minister. If whoever follows Cameron is viewed as some vicious powerhungry lunatic, an authoritarian demanding more control over our private lives, or out of touch snob demanding we cut more things as the economy melts then a mild mannered old chap who has spent his time in opposition engaging with people in discussion and talks about actually providing tools and support to people then yeah I think he'd get support.
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Seriously when's the last time the less fuckable party leader won the general election, Winston Churchill?
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Plucky Brit posted:Labour lost the election last time around because, among other things, Miliband was not seen as being prime-minister material. Do you think people will view Corbyn as better than that? It's harder to be seen as a potential PM when running against an actual PM. This won't be an issue in 2020. The current leading crop of Tory successors to Cameron are all ideologues that it will be much easier for the public to hate than noted political iPod "Call Me Dave". Let's not plan for 2020 based on what some "centrists" think went wrong in 2015.
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Hoops posted:Seriously when's the last time the less fuckable party leader won the general election, Winston Churchill? Clone Putin. Putin for Labour leader.
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XMNN posted:I'm not sure how much faith I'm willing to put in that given the british public Things are going to be pretty dire in 2020, we'll either elect Corbyn, someone like Corbyn but younger or New Hitler.
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New Hitler would have answered that question about the Falklands better.
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The Ed stone may have been the stupidest thing to happen in an election in years.
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Hoops posted:Seriously when's the last time the less fuckable party leader won the general election, Winston Churchill? 2015.
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Jose posted:i wonder if the tories realise that osborne is really not going to be seen well by the general public in the way that cameron is really capable of appearing to care. imagine him trying to defend the tories record on the nhs I'm kind of surprised that one or two of the future tory leader candidates haven't thrown Hunt under the bus already. They can't all be so thick that they fail to see how unpopular he is?
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namesake posted:Things are going to be pretty dire in 2020, we'll either elect Corbyn, someone like Corbyn but younger or New Hitler. So basically mediocrity with a nice and idealistic face, mediocrity with a nice and idealistic face, or mediocrity with a dose of fygm. serious gaylord posted:I'm kind of surprised that one or two of the future tory leader candidates haven't thrown Hunt under the bus already. They can't all be so thick that they fail to see how unpopular he is? Labour politicians aren't the only politically incompetent idiots in Britain.
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blowfish posted:Labour politicians aren't the only politically incompetent idiots in Britain. I'm starting to believe absolutely none of them have a clue what they're doing.
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I accidentally edited over my previous post so the sexy politicians thing looks a bit out of the blue, but it was something like: Ed Milliband was a sad snivelly Wallace-looking little wanker. He was a good dude and I really liked his politics but the centrist voters didn't want him to lead the country. If we had that handsome Canadian long haired dude as leader of the Labour Party we'd have re-nationalised the railways by now.
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Then it's settled, I shall become Labour leader and machismo my way to socialism.
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serious gaylord posted:I'm starting to believe absolutely none of them have a clue what they're doing.  They've already agreed to impose the contract if the BMA doesn't back down. Hunt will be jettisoned for not getting them to back down sooner.
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Oberleutnant posted:Great. Thanks. That's just what i needed. Arbeit macht frei!  (to prevent myself from actually pulling the trigger, I always mentally pronounce this phrase the same way as "yvan eht nioj!"  )Fans posted:A coffin is lowered into a grave, IDS sits at the side tutting "People will do anything to avoid work" I feel certain this cartoon already exists. Kassad posted:"The beatings will continue until morale improves" Improving morale is wrong at a time when beatings are ongoing.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Then it's settled, I shall become Labour leader and machismo my way to socialism. Ah-HEM.
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Coohoolin posted:Ah-HEM. I don't think SNP members are allowed to become Labour party leader.
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serious gaylord posted:I'm starting to believe absolutely none of them have a clue what they're doing. Maybe they're just pretending to be stupid. Not to hide any grand scheme or anything, just to hide that they don't give a gently caress. It's not technically a failure if you've not been aiming to succeed in the first place.
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