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Mr Dog posted:my laptop is an x1 carbon holy loving lol, why would anyone engineer a touchpad that way having two interface options is dumb enough, but those options being ps/2 and i2c is hilariously worse. the 1990s called, synaptics, there is a thing called usb you may have heard of??? thinkpads really are garbage aren't they
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i2c takes a lot less power than ps/2 to run, that's why
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ps/2 is just for fallback so it works with generic drivers
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blowfish posted:I would pay lenovo three thousand euros for a x350 with a decent keyboard+trackpoint in the old layout, an ultrabay, a 1080p ips screen in a clamshell/with a rupper lip and maybe a thinklight. An extra 200 if it's also dockable. for that kind of money you can get an actually good laptop, a MacBook Pro with Retina Display, and use a ThunderBolt 2 dock to connect to a couple 4K displays, mechanical keyboard, gigabit Ethernet, and so on at your desk has there been any update on Apple's market share among $1000+ computers? last I saw in the press was almost 10 years ago but at the time it was on the order of 90%
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eschaton posted:for that kind of money you can get an actually good laptop, a MacBook Pro with Retina Display, and use a ThunderBolt 2 dock to connect to a couple 4K displays, mechanical keyboard, gigabit Ethernet, and so on at your desk yeah but 10 years ago I paid like $2400 for a PowerBook G4 they were horribly overpriced
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they actually owned
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craisins posted:yeah but 10 years ago I paid like $2400 for a PowerBook G4 I think you'll find that pram posted:they actually owned
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craisins posted:yeah but 10 years ago I paid like $2400 for a P-P-P-PowerBook
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i wouldn't pay that much, given how good the retina macbookpro is these days. but i would like to see them make one with a good keyboard and the top lip and the corner thinklight and battery that sticks out the back instead of the bottom
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why the hell would you want a light on the top of the display instead of a light under the keys
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BobHoward posted:holy loving lol, why would anyone engineer a touchpad that way hid over i2c is becoming more and more of a thing lately. probably because low power, yeah. apparently dell's flagship shitboat uses i2c exclusively for keyboard and trackpad io
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Mr Dog posted:why the hell would you want a light on the top of the display instead of a light under the keys because it's good for data entry and note taking and stuff where you're also looking at things other than the keyboard (if you're no touch typist you're a loving scrub by the way)
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:because it's good for data entry and note taking and stuff where you're also looking at things other than the keyboard (if you're no touch typist you're a loving scrub by the way) lmao
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pram posted:lmao The thinklight is a miniature table lamp. Think "USB attached LED light, except not on a USB port and not lovely".
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i had a work provided t420 and your characterization of 'not lovely' is profoundly incorrect
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pram posted:i had a work provided t420 and your characterization of 'not lovely' is profoundly incorrect the *20 thinkpads are pretty meh  , apart from still retaining the keyboard and thinklight they're full of half-baked design decisions executed in brittle materialsbasically after 2010 everything good about them got cut though lenovo finally seems to have reached a new equilibrium point of consistent semi-crappiness suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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my thinkpad has the print screen button between the windows key and the control key. it's like, why? why is that there? i hit at all the time by accident. obviously i've remapped it by now but wtf?
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Mr Dog posted:hid over i2c is becoming more and more of a thing lately. probably because low power, yeah. apple manages industry leading battery life with a usb keyboard/trackpad this is probably because when your battery is measured in tens of watt-hours, the amount of power used to transmit poo poo at usb1 speeds is so tiny it just doesnt matter
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:my thinkpad has the print screen button between the windows key and the control key. It's because lenovo is a bad company full of idiots, hth this is not the first time they tried to reinvent the wheel and ended up with a pile of junk, see e.g. the touchscreen/keyboard combination on the second x1 and two generations of touchpads full of nipples
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just to add to this i2c discussion - it's the switch to i2c that forces you over to at least windows 8 on newer dells if you don't want a lovely generic non-adjustable touchpad with no palm-detection. i2c devices uses some new hid driver framework in windows that was first introduced with windows 8. it took some time before these devices were supported by linux, but synaptics finally got their rmi4 driver in shape enough to be included in kernel 3.16, so it's been there a little while.
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they probably grabbed a focus group, looked at how many people pressed which key, cut every key in the bottom 10%, and kinda kludged anything left together
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BobHoward posted:apple manages industry leading battery life with a usb keyboard/trackpad that's because apple just builds things that work in the way apple wants them to work gently caress excessive backwards compatibility,
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blowfish posted:gently caress excessive backwards compatibility, Compatibility matrices for our Mac users are hilarious and depressing Bonus points if you put the list of not-backported security fixes side by side
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The c720 first shipped in 2013 with an i2c touch pad. I loled at the number of people who couldn't figure out they could plug in a USB mouse to do a graphical install of Linux. Shame about shipping with 2gb of ram. At least Pram rightfully educated me on the fact that they had already implemented my lovely idea of a swapfile on a compressed filesystem that existed on a ram-disk.
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I vote pram best yosposter 2015.
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Mr Dog posted:hid over i2c is becoming more and more of a thing lately. probably because low power, yeah. wonder if one could use old DEC workstation equipment with appropriate level conversion (DEC's workstations used 12V I2C for keyboards and mice and stuff, my friend Peter worked on it)
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eschaton posted:wonder if one could use old DEC workstation equipment with appropriate level conversion linux already has a driver for DEC keyboards, and a separate one for mice, so it wouldn't be all that difficult to get either one working if you have the electrical part sorted out. i never much liked dec keyboards, myself Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:my thinkpad has the print screen button between the windows key and the control key. My Logitech keyboard at work has an fn key where the menu key normally is and the menu key is probably fn+prntscr or something, who the gently caress cares, the menu key is more useless than scroll lock
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what's the menu key? honestly my ideal keyboard would be 100 meta keys and one real key
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:what's the menu key? it's the one that modern keyboards put where compose is supposed to be
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Soricidus posted:it's the one that modern keyboards put where compose is supposed to be I guess we should all just use Model Ms for the rest of our lives
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nosl posted:I guess we should all just use Model Ms for the rest of our lives model M has the ctrl key in the wrong place
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i finally got touchegg + swiping working for me
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Wheany posted:the menu key is more useless than scroll lock purge the heretic the menu key is more useful than f6-f12/f24 in general and the most useful key of all if you are a member of the keyboard>mouse master race  nosl posted:I guess we should all just use Model Ms for the rest of our lives this is a good opinion though in 2050 when model ms cost like $3500 we can probably start recommending unicomp knockoffs Notorious b.s.d. posted:model M has the ctrl key in the wrong place sice when is bottom left the wrong place
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that's not the model m i have
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lol if you can't tell thats a sun type 5.  please let it be a type 5
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gently caress caps lock, the worst and most useless key ever invented i'd post a picture of my modded type 6 with two left control keys but i don't want to inflict the shame of my filthy desk on the world.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:model M has the ctrl key in the wrong place despite having rubber dome switches, the feel on my Sun Type 5 with UNIX layout is really nice and those meta keys!
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eschaton posted:despite having rubber dome switches, the feel on my Sun Type 5 with UNIX layout is really nice my favourite sun key is Com- pose shame the left function keys don't work in windows, i keep meaning to get round to writing a driver to fix that but 
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