Red posted:

One of them in the Clone Wars CGI series is voiced by George Takei. And his character is a morbidly obese Neimoidian.

So I'd enjoy seeing that guy pop up.

Nute posted:

"This is getting out of hand…now there are two of them!"

Nute posted:

"She can’t do that! Shoot her or something!"

Nute posted:

"Safe? Chancellor Palpatine managed to escape your grip, General. Without Count Dooku, I have doubts about your ability to keep us safe!"

General Tagge posted:

And what of the Rebellion? If the Rebels have obtained a complete technical readout of this station, it is possible, however unlikely, that they might find a weakness and exploit it.

Tezzor posted:

Continuing Remedial Cinematography Chat:

There is a concept in photography called the "rule of thirds." Basically the idea is that you want the component parts of your image to fit along vertical and horizontal 1/3 divisions of the image, and the image be structured so its component elements be centrally bisected on these imaginary lines or have their edges touching these lines and appear mostly inside the imaginary slices they create.




Now with this in mind let's look at some memorable images from the last two Star Wars movies:



Rey and Finn run from an explosion. The vertical lines roughly correspond to the beginning of Rey and Finn in the frame. The top horizontal line frames Rey's face and touches the top of Finn's head. The bottom line corresponds roughly to the horizon. The characters are shot so the character in front has her head in the upper third, body in the middle third, and legs in the bottom third. The character behind has his upper body in the middle half and his lower body in the lower half.



Kylo and stormtroopers menace a village. The top horizontal line doesn't correspond to much, maybe part of the tower. The bottom horizontal line again corresponds to the horizon (funny that) on the left and is an imaginary line cutting through all the doomed villagers' necks. The left vertical line neatly bisects Kylo. The right vertical borders the star warsy tower thingy in the background.



Obi-Wan and Evil Anakin fight in front of a lava explosion. The top line corresponds to nothing. The bottom line roughly marks the where their legs leave their torso if we're being generous. The left line bisects Obi-Wans's foot, but his foot is nowhere near most of his silhouette. The right line corresponds to nothing.



Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash. The focus of the frame is on Palpatine. The top line is too low to frame Palpy's head, too high to border Anakin's head, and otherwise corresponds to nothing, a pretty impressive feat in a frame with so much poo poo in the background. The bottom line is too low to correspond to the start of Palpatine's legs, a bit too low to border the thing to Anakin's left, and too high to border the line of color in the back The left line successfully borders Anakin's silhouette and with the bottom line defines him in top and bottom. The right line corresponds to nothing.

RBA Starblade posted:

The joke was it's dense in what it gets across as opposed to whatever was crammed in it.

Prolonged Priapism posted:

Help, I'm so confused!

Yorkshire Tea posted:

Then we're in complete agreement. It's /really/ hard to tell if people are joking in this thread.

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LOL. Dude, you literally don't know what you're talking about. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Trust me. This is the wrong thread.

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If this scene was in the prequels it would appear through a window while Kylo and Han talked about their feelings while walking down a hall

Prolonged Priapism posted:

Help, I'm so confused!

Tezzor posted:

If this scene was in the prequels it would appear through a window while Kylo and Han talked about their feelings on a couch

Frackie Robinson posted:

I'm iffy on the look of some stuff in the prequels, but Coruscant is consistently striking and beautiful. On Coruscant business isn't a distraction from the setting, it is the setting.

Tezzor posted:

Continuing Remedial Cinematography Chat:

There is a concept in photography called the "rule of thirds." Basically the idea is that you want the component parts of your image to fit along vertical and horizontal 1/3 divisions of the image, and the image be structured so its component elements be centrally bisected on these imaginary lines or have their edges touching these lines and appear mostly inside the imaginary slices they create.




Now with this in mind let's look at some memorable images from the last two Star Wars movies:



Rey and Finn run from an explosion. The vertical lines roughly correspond to the beginning of Rey and Finn in the frame. The top horizontal line frames Rey's face and touches the top of Finn's head. The bottom line corresponds roughly to the horizon. The characters are shot so the character in front has her head in the upper third, body in the middle third, and legs in the bottom third. The character behind has his upper body in the middle half and his lower body in the lower half.



Kylo and stormtroopers menace a village. The top horizontal line doesn't correspond to much, maybe part of the tower. The bottom horizontal line again corresponds to the horizon (funny that) on the left and is an imaginary line cutting through all the doomed villagers' necks. The left vertical line neatly bisects Kylo. The right vertical borders the star warsy tower thingy in the background.



Obi-Wan and Evil Anakin fight in front of a lava explosion. The top line corresponds to nothing. The bottom line roughly marks the where their legs leave their torso if we're being generous. The left line bisects Obi-Wans's foot, but his foot is nowhere near most of his silhouette. The right line corresponds to nothing.



Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash. The focus of the frame is on Palpatine. The top line is too low to frame Palpy's head, too high to border Anakin's head, and otherwise corresponds to nothing, a pretty impressive feat in a frame with so much poo poo in the background. The bottom line is too low to correspond to the start of Palpatine's legs, a bit too low to border the thing to Anakin's left, and too high to border the line of color in the back The left line successfully borders Anakin's silhouette and with the bottom line defines him in top and bottom. The right line corresponds to nothing.

Tezzor posted:

Continuing Remedial Cinematography Chat:

Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash. The focus of the frame is on Palpatine. The top line is too low to frame Palpy's head, too high to border Anakin's head, and otherwise corresponds to nothing, a pretty impressive feat in a frame with so much poo poo in the background. The bottom line is too low to correspond to the start of Palpatine's legs, a bit too low to border the thing to Anakin's left, and too high to border the line of color in the back The left line successfully borders Anakin's silhouette and with the bottom line defines him in top and bottom. The right line corresponds to nothing.

Neo Rasa posted:

I was going to say something similar to this. Like do half the people in this thread die from sensory overload heart attack if they walk into a major city?

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Nancy is Plato's playground. Ernie Bushmiller didn't draw A tree, A house, A car. Oh, no. Ernie Bushmiller drew THE tree, THE house, THE car. Much has been made of the "three rocks." Art Spiegelman explains how a drawing of three rocks in a background scene was Ernie's way of showing us there were some rocks in the background. It was always three. Why? Because two rocks wouldn't be "some rocks." Two rocks would be a pair of rocks. And four rocks was unacceptable because four rocks would indicate "some rocks" but it would be one rock more than was necessary to convey the idea of "some rocks."

A Nancy panel is an irreduceable concept, an atom, and the comic strip is a molecule. With Five Card Nancy we create new molecules out of Ernie's atoms.

Jerry Moriarty, artist of "Jack Survives," says: "I believe there is a formula of Hume, Humor and Humest. Ernie Bushmiller and I are Hume."

Tezzor posted:

Continuing Remedial Cinematography Chat:

There is a concept in photography called the "rule of thirds." Basically the idea is that you want the component parts of your image to fit along vertical and horizontal 1/3 divisions of the image, and the image be structured so its component elements be centrally bisected on these imaginary lines or have their edges touching these lines and appear mostly inside the imaginary slices they create.




Now with this in mind let's look at some memorable images from the last two Star Wars movies:



Rey and Finn run from an explosion. The vertical lines roughly correspond to the beginning of Rey and Finn in the frame. The top horizontal line frames Rey's face and touches the top of Finn's head. The bottom line corresponds roughly to the horizon. The characters are shot so the character in front has her head in the upper third, body in the middle third, and legs in the bottom third. The character behind has his upper body in the middle half and his lower body in the lower half.



Kylo and stormtroopers menace a village. The top horizontal line doesn't correspond to much, maybe part of the tower. The bottom horizontal line again corresponds to the horizon (funny that) on the left and is an imaginary line cutting through all the doomed villagers' necks. The left vertical line neatly bisects Kylo. The right vertical borders the star warsy tower thingy in the background.



Obi-Wan and Evil Anakin fight in front of a lava explosion. The top line corresponds to nothing. The bottom line roughly marks the where their legs leave their torso if we're being generous. The left line bisects Obi-Wans's foot, but his foot is nowhere near most of his silhouette. The right line corresponds to nothing.



Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash. The focus of the frame is on Palpatine. The top line is too low to frame Palpy's head, too high to border Anakin's head, and otherwise corresponds to nothing, a pretty impressive feat in a frame with so much poo poo in the background. The bottom line is too low to correspond to the start of Palpatine's legs, a bit too low to border the thing to Anakin's left, and too high to border the line of color in the back The left line successfully borders Anakin's silhouette and with the bottom line defines him in top and bottom. The right line corresponds to nothing.

Tezzor posted:

lots of words

Tezzor posted:

rule of thirds

computer parts posted:

It tells me a lot about Jakku, it's not like she blew up the AT-AT herself.

Tezzor posted:

Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash. The focus of the frame is on Palpatine.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Nancy owns, and the absolute funniest thing is that those rule of thirds posts just show that the prequel sample shots are exceptionally composed.

corn in the fridge posted:

You're comparing still photographs to frames from a movie I'm not sure how strictly the "rule of thirds" applies here

Neurolimal posted:

Life in solitude. simple life. Without family. War zone. Possible war orphan. Cruel and unforgiving world; a survivor.

You can make more inferrences from there, and it's a three second shot in a large sequence intended to inform you about Rey's character with a bare minimum of exposition.

Neo Rasa posted:

I was going to say something similar to this. Like do half the people in this thread die from sensory overload heart attack if they walk into a major city?

computer parts posted:

You can have long shots without lots of exposition.

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gpXMGit4P8

Empress Theonora posted:

I put it to the thread that the Battle of Yavin in A New Hope is the Nanciest sequence in Star Wars. You even have the ships all operating in groups of three!

Neurolimal posted:

You can. This doesn't make short shots bad.

Guy A. Person posted:

I didn't think this post could get any better but then you quoted RLM directly. Well played.

Waffles Inc. posted:

Neurolimal posted:

Let's be fair here, if somebody tells me they didn't at least smile at that line from the video then they are either a liar or inhuman

Neurolimal posted:

You can. This doesn't make short shots bad.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

It's actually kind of amazing to witness such a potent combination of confidence and ineptitude. The rule of third is not prescriptive, nor is it an objective metric of quality.

According to your criteria, this is a badly composed shot:

Tezzor posted:

Image one: to the left, a bunch of indistinct aliens who don't matter looking over a scene of a muddy, washed-out brown. The horizon is a jagged mess. The only color comes from the engines of starships going off to war, filled with people neither we nor anyone in the setting particularly care about. There are thousands of moving things in frame, some moving on the horizontal axis and some on the vertical. The horizontal and right vertical does not conform to the rule of thirds.

Image two: In center, the main officer of the bad guys. No motion in the background. A stark black and white color scheme with small bursts of red. The top third is sky above horizon, the middle third troops and Hux, the bottom third subcommand. The right third is troops, the middle third is command, the right third is troops.

Image three: a muted background with a small, non-moving line of red, and a red-and-black color scheme. Left bottom corner is Vader's helmet, middle is negative space, right upper corner is Kylo's helmet.

Image four: Good differentiation between foreground and background. In background, dead cartoon monster, moving plumes of smoke coming from at least 6 sources, ground littered with comical dead robots, detailed desert arena. In center, little kid Boba Fett is sad because of decapitated fanservice. This is never relevant later. Does not conform to rule of thirds.

Guy A. Person posted:

I didn't think this post could get any better but then you quoted RLM directly. Well played.

Tezzor posted:

Image one: to the left, a bunch of indistinct aliens who don't matter looking over a scene of a muddy, washed-out brown. The horizon is a jagged mess. The only color comes from the engines of starships going off to war, filled with people neither we nor anyone in the setting particularly care about. There are thousands of moving things in frame, some moving on the horizontal axis and some on the vertical. The horizontal and right vertical does not conform to the rule of thirds.

Image two: In center, the main officer of the bad guys. No motion in the background. A stark black and white color scheme with small bursts of red. The top third is sky above horizon, the middle third troops and Hux, the bottom third subcommand. The right third is troops, the middle third is command, the right third is troops.

Image three: a muted background with a small, non-moving line of red, and a red-and-black color scheme. Left bottom corner is Vader's helmet, middle is negative space, right upper corner is Kylo's helmet.

Image four: Good differentiation between foreground and background. In background, dead cartoon monster, moving plumes of smoke coming from at least 6 sources, ground littered with comical dead robots, detailed desert arena. In center, little kid Boba Fett is sad because of decapitated fanservice. This is never relevant later. Does not conform to rule of thirds.

Ravenfood posted:

The first picture obviously and directly visually links the Geonosian facility to the clones embarking and continues the theme, created by the visuals, that the clone and droid armies are two sides of the same coin.

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As for the fourth, yeah, there's stuff going on in the background, but it is so clearly background that it is easy to ignore as background. The direct center of the frame contains all of the motion and the focus. Whether Fett's later lack of action is important or not is irrelevant to the shot: there's some excellent visual imagery in the prequels that the dialogue, acting, and plot fail to live up to. In addition, we are discussing composition. Your example of the McQuarrie crashed speeder pilot is a good one, but if the film later went on to completely ignore the effect created by the shot, it would in no way invalidate the artistry of the shot itself. Identifying the focus of the scene is simple and it shows, visually, that the Jedi war machine actually leaves devastation and orphans behind it is simple, no matter how sanitized the Kaminoans or Jedi leadership would like it to be.

Tezzor posted:

Yeah, I guess there's something to this, but that comes back to: is that a good idea? Robots vs. clones? Could you possibly create a war between people the audience cares about less?

Tezzor posted:

Yeah, I guess there's something to this, but that comes back to: is that a good idea? Robots vs. clones? Could you possibly create a war between people the audience cares about less?