Tuxedo Jack posted:

It isn't "safe" - agreed. But it is 95% safer than cigarettes, and super effective as a cessation device- and we should be really careful before we just bash it because we don't know "enough." It can save lives, and therefore, we should support it - even if it is super douchey.

spacetoaster posted:

I'm not knocking it at all. I'd like to do it to cover down on my desire to do something ( I smoked after meals, when talking with friends, etc. I still feel that urge, like I'm missing something).

If there was a way to do it with just water I'd probably jump on it. But it seems you have to at least add glycerin which I'm not too comfortable with inhaling.

Bip Roberts posted:

Why did someone photoshop a gun into that guys pants?

Tuxedo Jack posted:

So far there is no evidence that either vegetable glycerin or propylene glycol is unsafe to inhale. The diacetyl used in a lot of "premiere" juices is unsafe, but most homebrew or store juices don't use it.

The known dangers are inhaling vapor off of nichrome or nickel coils, juices with diacetyl and sub-ohm use on bad batteries (they can go boom)

Rugoberta Munchu posted:

https://twitter.com/ORStatePolice/status/688786317241524224
Militant Cited For Driving Without License After Van Overturns
This is what happens when you don't recognize the laws of the nation, state, or physics.

Klaus88 posted:

I've always wondered how groups who are obsessed with racial purity explain places like Brazil, personally.

Nosfereefer posted:

The only way intake nicotine that isn't fundamentally immoral.

Goatman Sacks posted:

This is why people shouldn't look to Ron Swanson as a hero.

Zohar posted:

People have used the word like that since Vollmar and Bernstein in the 1890s.

ekuNNN posted:

Well, uh... thats who i meant when I said Bernie

DrProsek posted:

I think you also meant to post a picture!

Today some not-racist people gathered in notoriously not-racist Mississippi to protest in favor of keeping the notoriously not-racist CSA flag in the again not-racist Mississippi flag.


Pictured: I dunno but it sure isn't racism!

Coohoolin posted:

my dad posted:

Tuxedo Jack posted:

If you're not a current smoker, I wouldn't even consider it - but I smoked for 12 years, and tried everything to quit to no avail. I tried vaping once, and never went back to cigarettes. I can breathe, taste and smell things, I can run up and down stairs, and I don't smell like an ashtray all the time.

It isn't "safe" - agreed. But it is 95% safer than cigarettes, and super effective as a cessation device- and we should be really careful before we just bash it because we don't know "enough." It can save lives, and therefore, we should support it - even if it is super douchey.

Nosfereefer posted:

The only way intake nicotine that isn't fundamentally immoral.

quote:

Let’s acknowledge first that this Q actually preceded the last one, and that you just inserted an artful little bridge-sentence in your question-text to suggest otherwise. I know you’re interested in tobacco and the covert gradual suicide that is habitual tobacco use. My own situation is not all that different from Tom Bissell’s, who had some article about chewing tobacco in Tumescent Male Monthly or something last year that I resonated with on many frequencies. I started smoking at twenty three after two years of dabbling in clove cigarettes (which were big in the early eighties). I liked cigarettes, very much, but one thing I did not like was how hard they were on the lungs and wind in terms of sports, stair-climbing, coitus, etc. Some roofer friends back home got me started on chew as a cigarette-substitute at I think age twenty eight. Chew doesn’t hurt your lungs (obviously), but it also has massive, massive amounts of nicotine, at least compared to Marlboro Lights. (This, too, is all very condensed and boiled down; sorry if it’s terse.) I have tried probably ten serious times to quit chewing tobacco in the last decade. I’ve never even made it a year. Besides all the well-documented psychic fallout, the hardest thing about quitting for me is that it makes me stupid. Really stupid. As in walking into rooms and forgetting why I’m there, drifting off in the middle of sentences, feeling coolness on my chin and discovering I’ve been drooling. Without chew, I have the attention span of a toddler. I giggle and sob inappropriately. And everything seems very, very far away. In essence it’s like being unpleasantly stoned all the time… and as far as I can tell it’s not a temporary withdrawal thing. I quit for eleven months once, and it was like that the whole time. On the other hand, chewing tobacco kills you—or at the very least it makes your teeth hurt and turn unpleasant colors and eventually fall out. Plus it’s disgusting, and stupid, and a vector of self-contempt. So, once again, I’ve quit. It’s now been a little over three months. At this moment I have in gum, a mint, and three Australian tea-tree toothpicks that a Wiccan friend swears by. One reason you and I are chatting in print rather than in real time is that it’s taken me twenty minutes just to formulate and press the appropriate keys for the preceding ¶. Actually speaking with me would be like visiting a demented person in a nursing home. Apparently I not only drift off in the middle of a sentence but sometimes begin to hum, tunelessly, without being aware of it. Also, FYI, my left eyelid has been twitching nonstop since August 18. It’s not pretty. But I’d prefer to live past fifty. This is my Tobacco Story

kalstrams posted:

So, we have vapes, cigs, and snus here already.

Here's snuff, what else is missing from our Team Nicotine?

Taeke posted:

kalstrams posted:

So, we have vapes, cigs, and snus here already.

Here's snuff, what else is missing from our Team Nicotine?

Hubis posted:

spacetoaster posted:

my dad posted:

Snowman Crossing posted:

*faaaaaaaaaaaart*