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Neo Rasa posted:I think the issue with Phasma is that they weren't expecting to shoot that scene with her taking down the shields. So in this movie she wouldn't have been around other than to chastise Finn for wasting time in the shuttle. But since she has that extra scene it's like just enough screen time where people are going to complain that she's underused. She has more or less Boba Fett level of characterization, which didn't stop people from enshrining him as one of the all-time most popular Star Warsiors. They could have done more (or less! as you said), and I personally think that the move toward livelier dialogue makes her shiny blank slate more of a letdown in the movie.
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homullus posted:The scene in ROTS where he tells Anakin he's the bad guy is comedy gold. When he confesses he knows the dark side, he lets his mouth hang open in half-pretend surprise at his own admission. It is excellent. He then at least has the sense to be a little nervous when Anakin fully realizes what he's saying. It's an excellent scene and is arguably the point where Anakin has just lost, even though his heel turn comes in the next time they meet. I think Darth Maul was also in on it. Not that Phantom Menace had anything to imply it, but in Clone Wars, Maul expresses sadness that the Clone Wars began without him.
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homullus posted:She has more or less Boba Fett level of characterization, which didn't stop people from enshrining him as one of the all-time most popular Star Warsiors. They could have done more (or less! as you said), and I personally think that the move toward livelier dialogue makes her shiny blank slate more of a letdown in the movie. she gets dumped in the sarlac in the first movie instead of the last like bobba
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Jan 20, 2016 19:51
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Elfgames posted:she gets dumped in the sarlac in the first movie instead of the last like bobba Unlike Boba, she is confirmed to be returning. Doesn't help her utilization in Episode VII, but I'm interested to see what they do with her in VIII and potentially IX.
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Jan 20, 2016 19:56
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Def could See her on a mission to get Finn. Perhaps even expelled from the new order.
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euphronius posted:Def could See her on a mission to get Finn. Perhaps even expelled from the new order. That's my guess. She either leaves out of shame or is forcibly kicked out, and she goes to hunt down the man that lost her her job.
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Jan 20, 2016 19:58
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jivjov posted:Unlike Boba, she is confirmed to be returning. Doesn't help her utilization in Episode VII, but I'm interested to see what they do with her in VIII and potentially IX. who care's if she's returning she gets like 2 lines and is dumpstered. she should have been the one to beat finn's rear end down when he tried to lightsaber people
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Jan 20, 2016 19:59
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Phasma is actually, hands down, the best character in Force Awakens. She has exactly the right amount of screentime to make a Greedo-level impression, which is something none of the other side characters are afforded. She doesn't do or say anything that's blatantly stupid, and the costume design is both memorable and literally reflective of her characterization - she is cold and impassive, but changes dramatically in relation to how Finn perceives her. Phasma, in her indifference, simply obeys whoever is in power - and this gives us the dark subtext of the film, that the heroes only win by tapping into a dark side that they've rebranded into something self-righteous. Finn wants to degrade and humiliate Phasma - but Phasma is just a mirror.
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Jan 20, 2016 20:12
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I'M IN CHARGE NOW PHASMA, I'M IN CHARGE NOW
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Jan 20, 2016 20:13
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AndyElusive posted:I'M IN CHARGE NOW PHASMA, I'M IN CHARGE NOW Exactly! There's no other way to read the scene: Finn is directing this weird rage against his former self. He sends Phasma into the garbage chute where he used to work. Finn: You're garbage, so I'm gonna treat you like garbage... in a disposal! This is obviously closely related to Rey's plot, and the overall message that only bad people deserve to be lower-class. Phasma is demoted to janitor because she's a bad person, while Rey is promoted to Jedi because she's a good person. That is how the film defines 'the balance of the force': everyone in their place. In A New Hope, on the other hand, all the heroes have to climb through the garbage disposal.
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Jan 20, 2016 20:43
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AndyElusive posted:I'M IN CHARGE NOW PHASMA, I'M IN CHARGE NOW Boyega's line delivery during that scene was hilarious.
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Jan 20, 2016 20:46
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How long did Han and Leia and Chewie et all spend in cloud city?
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Jan 20, 2016 20:49
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rear end Catchcum posted:How long did Han and Leia and Chewie et all spend in cloud city? I haven't seen the movie in awhile but about 30 minutes.
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Jan 20, 2016 20:50
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teagone posted:Boyega's line delivery during that scene was hilarious. BB-8's flame thumbs up is still tops to me. Boyega plays a giant 10-year old really well.
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Jan 20, 2016 20:52
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euphronius posted:I haven't seen the movie in awhile but about 30 minutes. Luckily, you can see time passing on Han's wristwatch for reference.
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rear end Catchcum posted:How long did Han and Leia and Chewie et all spend in cloud city? A few days at most. Seems like less than a week for sure.
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Jan 20, 2016 20:53
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By all indications it was one day at most. They arrive at sunset, Lando betrays them the next day, then they escape at sunset. But time doesn't really mean much in Star Wars.
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Cnut the Great posted:By all indications it was one day at most. They arrive at sunset, Lando betrays them the next day, then they escape at sunset. There was enough time for Chewie to decide to go searching for 3P0, and then the torture stuff doesn't all necessarily need to be in one day.
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Jan 20, 2016 20:59
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Episode VIII delayed until December 2017 due to rewrites that up Finn, Rey, and Poe's parts.
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Jan 20, 2016 21:00
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Phasma is actually, hands down, the best character in Force Awakens. The best character, with almost no characterization of her own. feedmyleg posted:Episode VIII delayed until December 2017 due to rewrites that up Finn, Rey, and Poe's parts. A cynical part of me believes they had intended December all along, but wanted the wait to appear shorter, and intended to extend in order write the movies toward whichever characters were best-received.
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The article you linked to doesn't cite rewrites as a reason. That would surprise me anyway. How long does it take just to rewrite a script?
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Jan 20, 2016 21:03
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Good. Push the stars forward they earned it.
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its probably going to be mostly Poe they are adding stuff for isn't it? I mean a few more bits for finn and rey here and there sure, but I'm betting they are upping poe's role a lot more.
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feedmyleg posted:Episode VIII delayed until December 2017 due to rewrites that up Finn, Rey, and Poe's parts. While I'd be happy to see more cool Finn/Poe/Rey stuff...this displeases me. I was really excited that Episode VIII would be coming out the day after the series' 40th anniversary.
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Kurzon posted:The article you linked to doesn't cite rewrites as a reason. That would surprise me anyway. How long does it take just to rewrite a script? Uh, yes it does? And it takes a long time to rewrite a script. 6 months is pushing it for how major the changes are likely to be - Poe originally died in VII, so I'm guessing it's mostly shoehorning him into the story and rewriting around that. I don't envy Johnson's task, it'll likely break whatever worked about the previous version. A rewrite of this size isn't just a polishing, it's major storygroup decisions and multiple drafts and polish. e: Oh, and Avatar 2 is currently set for a December 25, 2017 release. But I think everyone knows that'll get pushed back a few more times. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jan 20, 2016 |
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I didn't even realize it was going for a May release in the first place. Also, I have to assume a holiday release was likely anyway, after the box office decimation they just laid. Why release amidst 2-3 super hero blockbusters when you can release against a family movie and some Oscar stuff and have January wide open to scoop up all the money.
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Well I'd rather see them put more time into the movie to make it better, though I hope they aren't just adding fanservice. C'mon Rian Johnson, make a great movie!
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With the supposed reason of "increasing Finn/Rey/Poe's roles" being the cause of the delay...I'm really worried they were originally planning on leaning really hard on Luke and Leia to carry the rest of the trilogy. While I'm a huge EU apologist and really enjoyed a lot of their now-Legends ongoing adventures, one of the biggest weaknesses of the original post-RotJ storyline was that there was an overfocus on the Big Three and nobody else got to really take up the torch. I would have assumed that Rey, Poe, and Finn were going to be the New Big Three, and that the Sequel Trilogy would have primarily focused on their adventures and endeavours.
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This sucks, I wanted Luke and Leia to actually do things in the next two movies.
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feedmyleg posted:Episode VIII delayed until December 2017 due to rewrites that up Finn, Rey, and Poe's parts. More likely "We saw how much loving money we can make at Christmas, lets do it again!"
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If they're increasing Rey, Finn, and Poe's roles... what the gently caress was the movie even about beforehand????
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All Hux all the time, baby
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I assumed it was coming out in December anyway. I'm pretty sure Disney will have enough money to rename the month StarWarcember by 2020.
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Empress Theonora posted:If they're increasing Rey, Finn, and Poe's roles... what the gently caress was the movie even about beforehand???? Another space truck stop. This time, it's on a swamp planet.
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It was to be primarily focused on Phasma, hands-down best character.
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Empress Theonora posted:If they're increasing Rey, Finn, and Poe's roles... what the gently caress was the movie even about beforehand???? Well, there's Benicio Del Toro's new character, as well as a new female lead that I read about in an article from before TFA even came out. It sounded to me like they were gonna be bringing in even more new characters in VIII.
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Serf posted:Well, there's Benicio Del Toro's new character, as well as a new female lead that I read about in an article from before TFA even came out. It sounded to me like they were gonna be bringing in even more new characters in VIII. Probably still will, and will also rewrite the next ones and write the spinoff films for whatever's well-received.
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Beeez posted:This sucks, I wanted Luke and Leia to actually do things in the next two movies. Oh I'm sure they will still be doing stuff; I just don't think they should be the primary focus.
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Until Rian says that himself, it's all just speculation to me. It probably just needed a rewrite, in general, like it wasn't 100% what he wanted it to be.
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homullus posted:Probably still will, and will also rewrite the next ones and write the spinoff films for whatever's well-received. The Evil Emperor Lucas has been deposed. Star Wars is now a democracy belonging to the fans.
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