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Icon Of Sin posted:tbh this thread might not exist if they didn't do this thb the military wouldn't exist if they didn't
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Which came first, the military or stupidity?
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Jan 20, 2016 10:22
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That's a 'chicken or the egg' question, right there.
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Memento posted:Just read the whole thread - a hell of a ride. Give those shitheads what they deserve McNally. I dunno how it gets much better than this holy gently caress An officer in my unit had the brilliant idea once to try and turn our MLVW gun tractors into literal gun-trucks. As in, GPMG above the cab, GPMG on the gate, rifles out the sides. And we were going to practice convoying in such a manner. We were told a "roadblock" would be set up in order to stop us, and we would have to attempt a dismounted defense. I'm driving the lead truck. Myself, gun det commander, 6 dudes in the back and a 105mm howitzer hanging off my rear end, with 4 more trucks exactly the same behind me. We're driving down the road, I see something in the middle of the road. Call out "Roadblock ahead". It's a plastic rain barrel. I look at the det commander and he just grins "RAM IT." Not the point of the ex, but you're the boss. Pedal to the (rusted) metal, mighty Detroit diesel belching out smoke as I slam into this water barrel at approx. 40km/h. You'd think it'd explode but it just kinda got knocked over by the bumper, and I distinctly remember hearing that thing drag on my diffs until the gun rolled right over the fucker. I look in the mirrors and see some SERIOUSLY pissed off op-for on the sides of the road, who were supposed to be in ambush. It's about 500 meters to the end of the range and I see the BC standing there waiting for us, and the fucker is purple in the face. "THAT WAS A ROADBLOCK CORPORAL YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO loving STOP FOR IT" Thankfully, this was when the det commander piped up and said he had ordered me through because how were we to know that a barrel in the road was a roadblock, and not something that had fallen off a truck at some point? It was somewhere around this point when we realized that having a GPMG mounted fixed fore and aft with zero articulation in a soft-skinned vehicle is pretty useless, and the idea was quickly and silently dropped.
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Jan 20, 2016 14:09
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Force de Fappe posted:Which came first, the military or stupidity? You just know that if some roman legionnaire somehow ended up on the thread there'd be bitching about officers, dick jokes and a story about some dumbass hick from the worst backwater around. Some things transcend time.
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Jan 20, 2016 14:19
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"Our general is some (literal) noble who apparently can't see the loving Nubian Calvary and Carthaginian infantry on our flanks and wants to charge the center, what a moron"
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from the military history threadJamwad Hilder posted:will you settle for Romans writing their insults on sling bullets?
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I've always been curious what grunts thought of being told to advance at a walk on The Somme or patiently wait for the seawall to be breached at Dieppe.
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Jan 20, 2016 16:48
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Frosted Flake posted:I've always been curious what grunts thought of being told to advance at a walk on The Somme or patiently wait for the seawall to be breached at Dieppe. Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.
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Jan 20, 2016 17:02
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Memento posted:Just read the whole thread - a hell of a ride. Give those shitheads what they deserve McNally. My question is, how much cleaning were the low ranks forced to do while knowing full well it was a total loss anyway? That's always been my experience.
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Jan 20, 2016 17:33
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Frosted Flake posted:I've always been curious what grunts thought of being told to advance at a walk on The Somme or patiently wait for the seawall to be breached at Dieppe. There's plenty of literature out there. These guys wrote letters and poo poo, and a lot of it has survived. Basically they thought exactly what you'd expect.
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1914: pro patria Mori 1915-1918: the Germans might shoot me going over the top, my officers WILL shoot me if I don't.
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I wonder if books written about the Iraq War in 50 years will have the same "Lions lead by Donkeys" narrative that the historiography of the First World War has taken on. I don't see anyone equating Petraeus with Wellington, at any rate.
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Jan 20, 2016 18:59
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Frosted Flake posted:I wonder if books written about the Iraq War in 50 years will have the same "Lions lead by Donkeys" narrative that the historiography of the First World War has taken on. Henry Paget, maybe? Dude left his wife to run off with the wife of Wellington's younger brother.
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Jan 20, 2016 19:01
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Frosted Flake posted:I've always been curious what grunts thought of being told to advance at a walk on The Somme or patiently wait for the seawall to be breached at Dieppe. "Aw man.... gently caress this!"
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Jan 20, 2016 19:08
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War. War never changes.
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MA-Horus posted:I dunno how it gets much better than this holy gently caress pretty sure the smart thing to do in a convoy ambush is to drive though the killzone instead of coming to a stop and being slaughtered as you de rear end from the truck
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Jan 20, 2016 21:55
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:pretty sure the smart thing to do in a convoy ambush is to drive though the killzone instead of coming to a stop and being slaughtered as you de rear end from the truck But then how is the opfor supposed to train to ambush trucks?
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McNally posted:But then how is the opfor supposed to train to ambush trucks? Carjacking O-2's trying to leave the parking lot
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Jan 20, 2016 22:07
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:pretty sure the smart thing to do in a convoy ambush is to drive though the killzone instead of coming to a stop and being slaughtered as you de rear end from the truck coming to a stop and being slaughtered as you de rear end from the truck was the prescribed action in the mid 90s.
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Jan 20, 2016 22:34
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joat mon posted:coming to a stop and being slaughtered as you de rear end from the truck was the prescribed action in the mid 90s. That reminds me of my one and only trip to JRTC before my last deployment. I was in a Delta company in the 82nd, so we were a mounted unit. We did one mission as a company convoy and were halfway out of COP Tillman when the lead truck in the convoy started to take contact from some OPFOR guys in the woods. OPFOR had only small arms so everybody is thinking that the lead platoon will just push through and we'll engage with 50s as we roll past. Instead the acting PSG of the lead platoon decides that having everyone dismount and chase through the woods after OPFOR is a far better idea, but in doing so he blocked the road and stopped the entire convoy with half of the trucks still inside the COP. This jackass ends up getting most of his dismounts killed, but before we can even try to grab them OPFOR sends a VBIED to blow up the truck behind me and block the ECP of the COP, which means now we have to wait for a wrecker to pull the downed truck. This loving retarded rear end fifteen year E6 who is the downsiest motherfucker I've ever worked with in the army effectively got 12 people in a company of 80 killed because he thought dismounting in the middle of an ambush was the best thing to do. He's a drill sergeant now.
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Pesticide20 posted:He's a drill sergeant now. The cycle continues 
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Frosted Flake posted:I wonder if books written about the Iraq War in 50 years will have the same "Lions lead by Donkeys" narrative that the historiography of the First World War has taken on. That's fading away. Turns out using raw casualty figures isn't a good metric.
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SumYungGui posted:My question is, how much cleaning were the low ranks forced to do while knowing full well it was a total loss anyway? That's always been my experience. We started with our boots after we got back on base and the leather just flaked off in hard chunks when we started wiping them. The unit QM came and yelled at us for getting our rifles so filthy then got very quiet after he had given one a close inspection. Then a WO2 from Ordnance came past and got everyone to hand in their rifles and mags. The inside of the mags were just one large chunk of salty brass. I remember afterwards when we resupplied we were all given literally brand new F-88s - the ones we had previously had all been bashed to poo poo before we got them, and half of them didn't shoot straight. Oh and the one left handed dude in my platoon finally got a left-handed bolt so he could stop getting hit in the face with hot brass. I ended up quitting in 2003 when my contract was up for renewal, after hearing rumours about us being mobilised to go and shoot at goat herders somewhere. I'd been to Malaysia for training, Timor for peace-keeping, worked the Sydney Olympics as part of security (which was a complete gently caress-fest [in the good way], and actually well run because we had civilian bosses) so I figured I had seen the best of what armed services life had to offer, and had no desire to see the worst.
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Memento posted:We started with our boots after we got back on base and the leather just flaked off in hard chunks when we started wiping them. The unit QM came and yelled at us for getting our rifles so filthy then got very quiet after he had given one a close inspection. Then a WO2 from Ordnance came past and got everyone to hand in their rifles and mags. The inside of the mags were just one large chunk of salty brass. I remember afterwards when we resupplied we were all given literally brand new F-88s - the ones we had previously had all been bashed to poo poo before we got them, and half of them didn't shoot straight. Oh and the one left handed dude in my platoon finally got a left-handed bolt so he could stop getting hit in the face with hot brass. maybe that officer that had you guys drop into the salt wastes was actually a loving genius who totally outflanked a bunch of bureaucratic redtape and budget limitations 
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Jan 20, 2016 23:38
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It's stupid hard to get anything in the Aus military though. I advised a General and a public affairs unit about getting gear to do their jobs. Like a laptop, and a camera. Even with the Gen saying "let them buy his poo poo." The unit still got bullshit hand me downs instead of the new stuff they requested. Up to that point they didn't have a Facebook and had to use their own stuff with no reimbursement if it got broke on duty
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Lol if you never had to use a 1990's era toughbook that ran on Windows 98 with a huge gaping hole in the case with exposed circuitry covered by duct tape in a field environment- after being parachuted in Also I tried transferring files between computers with a flash drive since the stupid thing didn't have a disk drive and jesus loving christ the antivirus software blew a gasket at how much poo poo was on that thing
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Jan 21, 2016 00:15
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Frosted Flake posted:I've always been curious what grunts thought of being told to advance at a walk on The Somme or patiently wait for the seawall to be breached at Dieppe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forlorn_hope
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How did it even see the flash drive? I once tried to plug one into a Windows 2000 computer and it didn't even have USB drivers.
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Soulex posted:It's stupid hard to get anything in the Aus military though. I advised a General and a public affairs unit about getting gear to do their jobs. Like a laptop, and a camera. Even with the Gen saying "let them buy his poo poo." The unit still got bullshit hand me downs instead of the new stuff they requested. Up to that point they didn't have a Facebook and had to use their own stuff with no reimbursement if it got broke on duty Yeah, there was a lot of yelling about how much this was going to cost. I think if we were actual regular army we would have cared, but we were low-speed high-drag weekend warriors so none of us gave a poo poo. I mean, technically we were combat arms and the 5/6 RVR is technically supposed to be capable of rapid reaction, but no one took it seriously at all in 1999/2000. We only deployed to INTERFET to back-fill for the regular army because recruitment was so woefully low at the time, they couldn't maintain the strength they needed to deter Indonesian militias without guys burning out. I racked my brain for a bit this morning to think of something dumb from the Olympics, but apart from guys showing up for shift hungover as gently caress because they were out partying the night before with Dutch backpackers, it was actually a really well-run operation. We mirrored the bottoms of cars, formed human barriers for crowd control, smiled at the tourists and hosed everything that moved. Guy from my platoon ended up marrying a Spanish girl he met there. I just Stalkbooked him and they're still together, with a couple of kids in primary school.
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Memento posted:Yeah, there was a lot of yelling about how much this was going to cost. I think if we were actual regular army we would have cared, but we were low-speed high-drag weekend warriors so none of us gave a poo poo. 5/6 RVR is Gallipoli Barracks right? I was there for TS 15. A nice Captain told me about the barracks I stayed in being the gently caress house and many a homegrown was filmed there. Then he women's clothes flung on the shame tree and they were sprayed with a hose.
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Soulex posted:5/6 RVR is Gallipoli Barracks right? I was there for TS 15. A nice Captain told me about the barracks I stayed in being the gently caress house and many a homegrown was filmed there. Then he women's clothes flung on the shame tree and they were sprayed with a hose. I rotated through there once but I'd be hard pressed to pick that barracks out of a line-up, Gallipoli is loving huge for an Australian base. Nahh, RVR is Royal Victorian Regiment, bases across metropolitan Melbourne. Charlie Company's in Sandringham, parade every Tuesday night. We trained at Kapooka, the Singleton School of Infantry and Puckapunyal for combined arms.
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Icon Of Sin posted:The cycle continues The circle of life
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My Casualty Assistance Officer just dropped off some of my wife's personal effects. She had ordered a candle as part of a fund raiser at her unit which arrived for her, so he brought that. He also brought her personnel records and the ARCOM her unit awarded her posthumously. I read the citation, got weepy, then opened the box to look at the medal. They awarded her an ARCOM. The box had an AAM. Weepy to laughing in 0.3 seconds lolarmy
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McNally posted:My Casualty Assistance Officer just dropped off some of my wife's personal effects. She had ordered a candle as part of a fund raiser at her unit which arrived for her, so he brought that. He also brought her personnel records and the ARCOM her unit awarded her posthumously. I read the citation, got weepy, then opened the box to look at the medal. lol god drat
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McNally posted:My Casualty Assistance Officer just dropped off some of my wife's personal effects. She had ordered a candle as part of a fund raiser at her unit which arrived for her, so he brought that. He also brought her personnel records and the ARCOM her unit awarded her posthumously. I read the citation, got weepy, then opened the box to look at the medal. Jesus Christ what a shitshow.  I'm really sorry man, I wish there was something I could personally do to help.
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McNally posted:They awarded her an ARCOM. The box had an AAM. Jesus loving Christ.
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McNally posted:My Casualty Assistance Officer just dropped off some of my wife's personal effects. She had ordered a candle as part of a fund raiser at her unit which arrived for her, so he brought that. He also brought her personnel records and the ARCOM her unit awarded her posthumously. I read the citation, got weepy, then opened the box to look at the medal.
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What's an ARCOM or an AAM? VVV Got it. Guessing there's a non-zero chance that this particular mixup was intentional by someone annoyed that McNally took them to task for dragging their feet on the paperwork? Malachite_Dragon fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Army Commendation Medal and Army Achievement Medal. Commendation > Achievement when it comes to medals.
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