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Matt Sperling started an ethics column on CFB which appears to have no reason to exist other than as a soapbox to excuse Bob Huang's Borboygmos bullshit. It only gets more comical when Bob Huang himself shows up in the comments to say "meh, that was a lovely thing to do I shouldn't have done it." Summary: Calling a judge on your opponent for saying "Borboygmos" when both players know what was meant 100% (Bob Huang admits it) = ethical, you didn't write the rules! Play conservatively during the final 5 turns of a game you're winning a million to one because you know your opponent and know he' sa nice guy and therefore he'll probably concde if you have a dominating board position = stop right there criminal scum
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slowplaying has been a oval office move since card games were invented, hope this helps.
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Went to a local nerd shop looking for used old video games and found a Karn Liberated for 35 bucks and an Atarka's Command for 6.  Gotta love places that don't update their prices frequently. Just look at this spike, jesus http://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/28138
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Jan 21, 2016 00:31
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Angry Grimace posted:Matt Sperling started an ethics column on CFB which appears to have no reason to exist other than as a soapbox to excuse Bob Huang's Borboygmos bullshit. It only gets more comical when Bob Huang himself shows up in the comments to say "meh, that was a lovely thing to do I shouldn't have done it." I love that Bob seems genuinely regretful, and Matt replies that he's only protecting his reputation, like "Aw Gotcha, Bob  we all knock you're a piece of poo poo".
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Jan 21, 2016 00:51
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I have a question about Kozilek's return. There is no way to really counter this card's second ability right? It is not cast as a spell, and its triggered ability is what exiles it, so if you stifle the trigger, the card stays in their graveyard? The only way to avoid it is to play big creatures, or Brave The Elements?
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Jan 21, 2016 00:54
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Angry Grimace posted:Matt Sperling started an ethics column on CFB which appears to have no reason to exist other than as a soapbox to excuse Bob Huang's Borboygmos bullshit. It only gets more comical when Bob Huang himself shows up in the comments to say "meh, that was a lovely thing to do I shouldn't have done it." I mean I think Sperling had a pretty good point that you can't just write "Borborygmos" on your decklist and not expect to be called on it, either. Same with the Underworld Connections example. I probably would have let the guy take it back, personally, and certainly if we were only playing at FNM (as though I'd ever play anything higher) but at the same time holding it to him seems 100% consistent with most other expectations at GP, PT, SCG etc. level play.
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Jan 21, 2016 00:56
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Gensuki posted:I have a question about Kozilek's return. You can remove it from the graveyard in response to the trigger. But yes, stifling it just means it waits for the next Eldrazi with 7+ cmc.
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Jan 21, 2016 00:59
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Gensuki posted:I have a question about Kozilek's return. Brave the Elements doesn't work either. It's a colorless spell.
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Jan 21, 2016 00:59
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JerryLee posted:I mean I think Sperling had a pretty good point that you can't just write "Borborygmos" on your decklist and not expect to be called on it, either. Same with the Underworld Connections example. I probably would have let the guy take it back, personally, and certainly if we were only playing at FNM (as though I'd ever play anything higher) but at the same time holding it to him seems 100% consistent with most other expectations at GP, PT, SCG etc. level play.
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The Shortest Path posted:Gotta love places that don't update their prices frequently. Just look at this spike, jesus http://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/28138 So like three months ago, I traded on Pucatrade for a fourth Karn. Unfortunately, it was a Modern Masters one, so I left the NPH one on my wantlist. Someone contacted me after a few weeks, asking if I'd be interested in a Japanese NPH Karn, and I said yes. So my desires for both a quick Karn and also four Karns of the same set have paid off in a $20 profit. Thanks #mtgfinance.
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Jan 21, 2016 01:13
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Angry Grimace posted:Except deck registration errors have some actual angle where you can cheat. I think what Gabriel Nassif said is more relevant: "Not sure if it was literally unethical or not [sic], I do believe it is scummy and the ruling is terrible. I've always been on the side of penalties only being here to prevent cheating. In this case, there's a 0% chance of angle or cheating (Borborygmos doesnt even have an activated ability)." This is pretty much the correct interpretation and I agree with Nassif even though I think Nassif is still a scumbag in his own right. Although Magic still exists through a stringent system of rules and edge cases, I do believe it's closer on the "Deck Reg Error" than "Scummy".
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legoman727 posted:Brave the Elements doesn't work either. It's a colorless spell. Deflecting palm? You should be able to choose the triggered ability. Nope! Damage to YOU. that knocks out intervention pact type cards. Bam! Shining shoal, divine deflection. Also voidslime  Trickbind Molybdenum fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Jan 21, 2016 01:28
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Molybdenum posted:Deflecting palm? You should be able to choose the triggered ability. Kozilek's return doesn't do damage to players
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Jan 21, 2016 01:30
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OfChristandMen posted:This is pretty much the correct interpretation and I agree with Nassif even though I think Nassif is still a scumbag in his own right. What did he do?
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I was reading the Uncharted Realms about General Tazri's future adventures with Kozilek and I came across a very strange line:quote:For the first ten thousand years after Kozilek's disappearance, Tazri had used her new powers to attempt the reconstruction. But Kozilek was a poor creator, nothing like his eldest sibling, and Tazri's gifts were a pale, stunted imitation of her master's. What is that supposed to mean? Keep in mind this line is written with a perspective of someone given the lifespan of an Eldrazi. Is Emrakul a god who created Zendikar? We know Ulamog consumes without limit and Kozilek can disrupt the laws of time and space, but Emrakul's powers have not yet been clearly defined.
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I wouldn't look to deeply into it. It likely just means that Emrakul is on top of the Eldrazi totem pole of ultimate evil.
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Jan 21, 2016 01:48
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The magic card market is insane at the moment. Everyone seems so jumpy and stuff is just spiking like crazy. Is this the new normal, or will things settle down after the first pro tour? It sure feels like this would be a bubble in other markets. People are just buying anything remotely modern playable and driving huge price leaps.
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Chairman Pow! posted:Is this the new normal, or will things settle down after the first pro tour? Yes and no respectively
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Chairman Pow! posted:The magic card market is insane at the moment. Everyone seems so jumpy and stuff is just spiking like crazy. Is this the new normal, or will things settle down after the first pro tour? The bubble will pop when Wizards decides to pull the plug on Modern like they are doing on Legacy and Vintage.
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Jan 21, 2016 02:17
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anglachel posted:The bubble will pop when Wizards decides to pull the plug on Modern like they are doing on Legacy and Vintage. I don't think they are pulling the plug on legacy and vintage. If that was so they wouldn't be looking to monetize it with this whispered new sealed product for legacy/vintage.
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Jan 21, 2016 02:19
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Rinkles posted:What did he do? Feel free to chalk it up to my saltiness at Pro Magic, but when I went to the PT (Dublin), watching feature match coverage during the later rounds, he was screaming at the TV for his friend's opponent to mulligan down from 6 to 5 and beyond. I mean just screaming out of his lungs at the TV when the actual match was down the hall being played. It's not Nassif particularly, but it just seemed so unbelievably lovely to me that even at that "professional" level, some players would rather go an entire tournament playing opponents with 4 card hands than actually games of magic. That same player screaming at the TV for an opponent to mulligan also talks about the ethics of poor pithing needle plays. It just really stuck with me and left a bad taste in my mouth about "serious, professional, magic".
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I think it would be cool to link the Eldrazi to Innistrad via Lovecroftian horror, seems to be how they are doing the story now, each set rolling into the next. I could dig it if they work the Emeria aspect of Emrakul into it, someone mention an impostor Avacyn?
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I don't know if everyone's been around to remember the Legacy or Commander boom, but those didn't exactly pop like bubbles. Cards for those formats are still crazy expensive. Modern is more volatile because things can be reprinted. Like it'll only take a surprise duel deck reprinting to tank the price of Inquisition of Kozilek. Wizards has also shown they're not shy about banning cards in Modern. The threat of reprints and bannings along with constantly shifting metagames is going to make players jumpy. Right now though, everyone just wants in on the next big thing. People love the idea that they can shock other people by telling them how pricey a card suddenly is. Hundreds of times during the prerelease I had to hear "Did you see what *insert card here* jumped up to?". It's fun for people, somehow. This isn't Legacy or Commander where the priciest cards can't be reprinted. WotC has direct control over the price of Modern, but they're not going to just reprint everything expensive all at once, because that's blowing their load when they've got Modern Masters 4 and Modern Masters 5 and 6 (etc.) to sell. One thing's for sure though: Modern cards are an incredibly risky investment. Reprints can and will happen in the near future, and card prices are going to fluctuate wildly.
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BJPaskoff posted:I don't know if everyone's been around to remember the Legacy or Commander boom, but those didn't exactly pop like bubbles. Cards for those formats are still crazy expensive. Modern is more volatile because things can be reprinted. Like it'll only take a surprise duel deck reprinting to tank the price of Inquisition of Kozilek. Wizards has also shown they're not shy about banning cards in Modern. The threat of reprints and bannings along with constantly shifting metagames is going to make players jumpy. It's true, but speculators make their money because Wizards is very slow to react to the market. Their design and development cycles for even surprise things like Duel Decks/ Modern Event Decks are 6 mo processes at best. Hence why Serum Visions wasn't really reprinted in MM15 (Besides the "Scry not a Mechanic"). They can only do so much in reaction to the recent MTG Finance market, it's unlike anything they've seen at a continuous occurance.
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Lets Pickle posted:I was reading the Uncharted Realms about General Tazri's future adventures with Kozilek and I came across a very strange line: They do define what she does in the BFZ fat pack guide - Emrakul is the Titan of Corruption. "Emrakul is the Titan of Corruption, the largest and most fearsome of the Eldrazi. She does not affect unliving matter - rocks, water, etc...but twists all things living, be it plants, animals, or sentient beings. She causes silent terror wherever she soars, embodying desolation, emotional and physical distance, the chill of the void, and the terror of being alone." I don't think we see Emrakul, just the effects of her presence on Innistrad, at least in the first set. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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The Shortest Path posted:Went to a local nerd shop looking for used old video games and found a Karn Liberated for 35 bucks and an Atarka's Command for 6. The best part is Exxon mobile is down to like 70 bucks a share. I'm selling off my Karns and Eye of Eugenes etc and throwing the money into Exxon. I think this will bring a better return then BW Eldrazi. That's how I MTGFinance.
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Sickening posted:I don't think they are pulling the plug on legacy and vintage. If that was so they wouldn't be looking to monetize it with this whispered new sealed product for legacy/vintage. There has been zero confirmation about this rumor, unless I missed something big. Not that I wouldn't welcome such a product, but saying they want to monetize something that might not even exist is going a bit far. BJPaskoff posted:I don't know if everyone's been around to remember the Legacy or Commander boom, but those didn't exactly pop like bubbles. Cards for those formats are still crazy expensive. Modern is more volatile because things can be reprinted. Like it'll only take a surprise duel deck reprinting to tank the price of Inquisition of Kozilek. Wizards has also shown they're not shy about banning cards in Modern. The threat of reprints and bannings along with constantly shifting metagames is going to make players jumpy. The thing I'm most curious to see going forward is how aggressive Wizards will actually be with reprints in regularly-scheduled blocks. One of the concerns with moving to the 2 sets/block motif was the retiring of core sets, which were an easy way to re-print cards that wouldn't necessarily make sense in a block with different flavor than its original one (like Urborg TOY and Mutavault). Wizards said they would re-print older cards more often, but BFZ doesn't really reflect that because they made that motif change in the middle of its development. This applies mostly to Modern but who's to say there isn't some Legacy playable out there that couldn't be re-printed, even if it's nothing crazy like SnT or Karakas?
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C-Euro posted:There has been zero confirmation about this rumor, unless I missed something big. Not that I wouldn't welcome such a product, but saying they want to monetize something that might not even exist is going a bit far. I get this line of thinking but god drat, if the past year has taught us anything is that these kind of leaks end up being true much more often than not. As backwards as it feels, folks like you that balk at unconfirmed leaks have ended up being wrong a lot lately.
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I'm gonna be p mad if they don't reprint FOW at uncommon. I'm down to only 6 now and will prob try to go down to 4 but it's gonna be tough filling out a couple binder pages of them again if they are rare.
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Chill la Chill posted:I'm gonna be p mad if they don't reprint FOW at uncommon. I'm down to only 6 now and will prob try to go down to 4 but it's gonna be tough filling out a couple binder pages of them again if they are rare. You know they would be mythic.
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Chill la Chill posted:I'm gonna be p mad if they don't reprint FOW at uncommon. I'm down to only 6 now and will prob try to go down to 4 but it's gonna be tough filling out a couple binder pages of them again if they are rare. Joke post obvious but they've "printed" it at rare in VMA so if it actually happens it's clearly at rare.
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Does anyone have experience with low level shipping wizardry wrt starcity? Do you know a way to combine separate orders to save on shipping? I missed some stuff in my pre-order...
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Gensuki posted:Does anyone have experience with low level shipping wizardry wrt starcity? You can email them but I swear I remember doing this one time and getting two different people that straight up refused to help combine my orders. Went to tcgplayer ever since.
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Sickening posted:You can email them but I swear I remember doing this one time and getting two different people that straight up refused to help combine my orders. Went to tcgplayer ever since. I'd probably call them instead of emailing if nothing has been shipped yet. I've dealt with SCG's customer service twice and they were nothing short of extremely helpful and nice.
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Print Force of Will and Daze at common in the same set, let everyone know what hell feels like.
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Angry Grimace posted:Joke post obvious but they've "printed" it at rare in VMA so if it actually happens it's clearly at rare. Whoa. I used to have 12 and started getting rid of them. If it's rare that's too bad. I do want to fill up a couple pages of them again if they were cheap enough. They're pretty to look at. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Print Force of Will and Daze at common in the same set, let everyone know what hell feels like. That's going too far. It's uncommon, like wasteland. Now if they reprinted mishra's workshop at uncommon like they were originally, I could finally get 3 morefor my play set.
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awesome, much appreciated
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Hellsau posted:So like three months ago, I traded on Pucatrade for a fourth Karn. Unfortunately, it was a Modern Masters one, so I left the NPH one on my wantlist. Someone contacted me after a few weeks, asking if I'd be interested in a Japanese NPH Karn, and I said yes. For whatever reason I've been ridiculously lucky in pulling Karns from both sets in which he's appeared, including a foil each from NPH and MM15. I've got like six of them, so I'm feeling happy too.
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BJPaskoff posted:I don't know if everyone's been around to remember the Legacy or Commander boom, but those didn't exactly pop like bubbles. Cards for those formats are still crazy expensive. Modern is more volatile because things can be reprinted. Like it'll only take a surprise duel deck reprinting to tank the price of Inquisition of Kozilek. Wizards has also shown they're not shy about banning cards in Modern. The threat of reprints and bannings along with constantly shifting metagames is going to make players jumpy. What was the impact for played cards getting reprinted in mm2? Which can still easily be bought at original price or lower! ($200 lots of places.) Maybe 10-15%? Goyf is still $130-150. Hierarch $30-35. Cryptic $25. A reasonably priced supplemental set can certainly hit prices harder, but the modern masters model isn't going to significantly hit prices based on past experience.
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ShaneB posted:What was the impact for played cards getting reprinted in mm2? Which can still easily be bought at original price or lower! ($200 lots of places.) Huh? Both CC and Hierarch were about double what they were after the reprint. Goyf was the only one that didn't move as much but as I recall, vendors had an interest in keeping the prices high so made sure they had high buylist values for them at GP vegas.
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