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Smoking Crow posted:It's a noh mask Huh, the more you know
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What's the best point to start with Hardcore TV? I recently started right around episode 100 (around the introduction of Beulah) and that seems like a good starting point. Is there anything really important that I'm missing before that?
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Had Owen Hart not died, would he have likely ever been elevated to the main event and actually winning the title? I've working my way thru the attitude era, and JR made mention that he has held every title outside of the WWF/E title but he expected him to be challenging for it in the future.
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Jan 21, 2016 02:06
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I seriously doubt it.
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Jan 21, 2016 02:08
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Owen right after Montreal maybe coulda had a run on top, but that's about it.
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freeranger posted:Had Owen Hart not died, would he have likely ever been elevated to the main event and actually winning the title? I've working my way thru the attitude era, and JR made mention that he has held every title outside of the WWF/E title but he expected him to be challenging for it in the future. Well, the rumor was Owen was planning to retire once his contract ran out, so I doubt it. Though if he did retire, he probably would have shown up in TNA for a short run since he and Jarrett were close. So he probably would've gotten an NWA run out of it.
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freeranger posted:Had Owen Hart not died, would he have likely ever been elevated to the main event and actually winning the title? I've working my way thru the attitude era, and JR made mention that he has held every title outside of the WWF/E title but he expected him to be challenging for it in the future. He wanted to retire to spend time with his family, so no
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Davros1 posted:Well, the rumor was Owen was planning to retire once his contract ran out, so I doubt it. Though if he did retire, he probably would have shown up in TNA for a short run since he and Jarrett were close. So he probably would've gotten an NWA run out of it. I'm not sure how to feel about that idea. On one hand, the idea of a gifted wrestler like Owen being NWA Champion feels so loving right. On the other hand, Owen having to ply his trade in TNA makes me sad. I wish the idea of reviving the NWA hadn't been handed to such a crew of gently caress-ups.
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His opportunities up top were limited even if they wanted to push him, because Steve Austin didn't want to work with him.
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Jan 21, 2016 03:18
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Electric Lady posted:I've seen a gif of a Jushin Thunder Liger entrance while he was holding like five belts. He had valets walk out before him carrying the belts, one in each hand. It was awesome. That was probably when he was the J-Crown champ. The J-Crown was a NJPW championship where they got 8 promotions to put up their light-heavyweight/cruiserweight/welterweight titles in a tournament, winner take all. The championship as a whole changed hands a few times after the tournament. Liger was one, though he lost a belt in the Crown. Ultimo Dragon also won the crown, and then won another NWA belt in CMLL and the WCW Cruiserweight champion. So at one point, he held 10 different belts in 9 different promotions. Including WCW and WWF simultaneously. 
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ayn rand hand job posted:That was probably when he was the J-Crown champ. The J-Crown was a NJPW championship where they got 8 promotions to put up their light-heavyweight/cruiserweight/welterweight titles in a tournament, winner take all. I remember as a kid thinking he had to be the greatest wrestler in the world. I mean, look at all those belts!
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Jan 21, 2016 03:40
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The Senator Giroux posted:I remember as a kid thinking he had to be the greatest wrestler in the world. I mean, look at all those belts! He is genuinely up there as one of the greatest and most influential Japanese wrestlers ever.
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The Senator Giroux posted:I remember as a kid thinking he had to be the greatest wrestler in the world. I mean, look at all those belts! Well, yeah. That's a lot of belts! Best in the world.
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Jan 21, 2016 04:25
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MagicCube posted:He is genuinely up there as one of the greatest and most influential Japanese wrestlers ever. I know. I meant more as an 8 year old watching WCW, wondering why the guy with all those belts wasn't treated like more of a big deal.
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Jan 21, 2016 04:40
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Those belts led to several of my friends getting the dragon sleeper. What are some of his best WCW matches?
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Die Laughing posted:Those belts led to several of my friends getting the dragon sleeper. What are some of his best WCW matches? I don't know about specific matches but I'd recommend anything he did with Dean Malenko or Rey Mysterio.
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MagicCube posted:He is genuinely up there as one of the greatest and most influential Japanese wrestlers ever. Not only was he innovative in the ring, but being involved in training many successful japanese wrestlers (Most of the Dragon Gate veterans AND Okada) and creating the foundation for the second largest promotion in Japan (Dragon Gate) makes him one of the greatest in my book.
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Jan 21, 2016 09:34
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What happened to Barry Windham in the 90's? He was big in the 80's, I know he went to WWF in the late 80's and became the Widow Maker for a minute. Nothing much happened, went back to the WCW mid card and bounced around between feds. Was it drugs and booze? I'll assume drugs and booze. Everything I've seen of his 80's WCW run made him seem like a major player in wrestling for a long time in the future. Awesome in the ring, had the perfect look aside from not being Hulk Hogan ripped. More WCW jacked without the six-pack. He still had his hair on this Nitro I'm watching the night after Starcade 98
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Jan 21, 2016 11:01
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I just found out there was a wrestling show involving WCW and NJPW in North Korea, how did that come to be and what was the reception to the matches? Were they ever televised?
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Ostentatious posted:I just found out there was a wrestling show involving WCW and NJPW in North Korea, how did that come to be and what was the reception to the matches? Were they ever televised? Here's an interview with ric flair USA today did in 2014 about it. It's got a bunch of clips but they're all in gif form. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/ric-flair-north-korea And here's one sports illustrated did that's a bit more in depth with more interviews http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/04/27/muhammad-ali-ric-flair-oral-history-pro-wrestling-north-korea Aesop Poprock fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Jan 21, 2016 11:25
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So a Japanese athlete and an American athlete put the show together and on day one they have a card show depicting North Korea bombing Japan and the United States That's hilarious
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Die Laughing posted:Those belts led to several of my friends getting the dragon sleeper. What are some of his best WCW matches?
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Ostentatious posted:I just found out there was a wrestling show involving WCW and NJPW in North Korea, how did that come to be and what was the reception to the matches? Were they ever televised? Look for Collision in Korea on WWE Network, it's an edited version of the two shows.
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Jan 21, 2016 11:48
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For anyone who's never read that SI article before by the way it's really, really fascinating stuff. Scott norton, bischoff, the steiners, 2 cold Scorpio and others talking about their experiences with Muhammed Ali in North Korea for 5 pages
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Aesop Poprock posted:For anyone who's never read that SI article before by the way it's really, really fascinating stuff. Scott norton, bischoff, the steiners, 2 cold Scorpio and others talking about their experiences with Muhammed Ali in North Korea for 5 pages The accounts of the experience are much better than the show itself, which was mostly crap.
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The American Dream posted:What happened to Barry Windham in the 90's? He was big in the 80's, I know he went to WWF in the late 80's and became the Widow Maker for a minute. Nothing much happened, went back to the WCW mid card and bounced around between feds. Was it drugs and booze? I'll assume drugs and booze. He got injured a couple of times and each time came back in worse shape. Combined with this he started taking on more and more office roles with the companies he worked in, and jumped back and forth between the WWF and WCW to diminishing returns each time.
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Skinty McEdger posted:He got injured a couple of times and each time came back in worse shape. Combined with this he started taking on more and more office roles with the companies he worked in, and jumped back and forth between the WWF and WCW to diminishing returns each time. In the TEW thread Windham was kicking rear end in the Upper Midcard and building momentum for a Main Event-tier #2 title program when he died in a car crash.  Are there any particularly great Windham matches on the Network to check out?
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Barry Windham and Dustin Rhodes are the MVPs of the WrestleWar '92 WarGames.
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Skinty McEdger posted:He got injured a couple of times and each time came back in worse shape. Combined with this he started taking on more and more office roles with the companies he worked in, and jumped back and forth between the WWF and WCW to diminishing returns each time. He may have also had Dick Murdoch syndrome, where he was so naturally good at wrestling that he eventually just stopped trying altogether.
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Sanguinia posted:In the TEW thread Windham was kicking rear end in the Upper Midcard and building momentum for a Main Event-tier #2 title program when he died in a car crash. Any of Barry's matches vs Flair were awesome. Flair spoke in length about how much he loved wrestling Barry, and it really showed. There's also a really cool "friendly" match between him and Steve Williams for the UWF title at Starrcade '89. Not the best match, but it's interesting.
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TL posted:Look for Collision in Korea on WWE Network, it's an edited version of the two shows. Collision in Korea is one of the PPVs not available on the network
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spongeh posted:Collision in Korea is one of the PPVs not available on the network Huh. I could've sworn I saw it there. Well, gently caress me with a lunchbox then.
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EdsTeioh posted:Any of Barry's matches vs Flair were awesome. Flair spoke in length about how much he loved wrestling Barry, and it really showed. There's also a really cool "friendly" match between him and Steve Williams for the UWF title at Starrcade '89. Not the best match, but it's interesting. 1987
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CombineThresher posted:He may have also had Dick Murdoch syndrome, where he was so naturally good at wrestling that he eventually just stopped trying altogether.
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Ostentatious posted:I just found out there was a wrestling show involving WCW and NJPW in North Korea, how did that come to be and what was the reception to the matches? Were they ever televised? It's pretty rough and bizarre to watch. The crowd has no idea how to react so it's mostly silence, and a lot of guys seemed off their game or phoning it in. Only Flair/Inoki match, though, so there's that.
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TL posted:His opportunities up top were limited even if they wanted to push him, because Steve Austin didn't want to work with him. Austin was out in 2000 though and I'm sure Kreski would have done something good with him.
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LvK posted:It's pretty rough and bizarre to watch. The crowd has no idea how to react so it's mostly silence, and a lot of guys seemed off their game or phoning it in. Also a Meltzer 4-star tag match with Bull Nakano and Akira Hokuto vs Manami Toyota and Mariko Yoshida, but this was during the time period where pretty much all AJW tag matches were getting 4 stars or more from him
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It's a really odd show. Because it took place over two days, you get to see some people have multiple matches. Some matches sounds like they should pretty drat good but aren't (Shinya Hashimoto (c) vs Scott Norton for IWGP Heavyweight title) and some are exactly what you expect. Like Road Warrior Hawk completely flattening and no-selling some Sumo guy 2½ minute.
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That's right. For some reason I ALWAYS think that match was on Halloween Havoc '89 since I had a VHS with those 2 shows on it back in the day. The UWF title was dead and gone by 1989 anyway, so I should have known that.
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Why do old people like ROH so much, all the ads are for life alert and poo poo
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