Berke Negri posted:i mean i agree bernie isnt that radical that's why I said 'beyond messaging' but to quote tnc quote:But he is not the candidate of moderation and unification, so much as the candidate of partisanship and radicalism. There is neither insult nor accolade in this. John Brown was radical and divisive. I mean come the gently caress on and then two sentences later obamacare is also posited as a piece of john brown style radicalism really?
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i would vote the gently caress out of john brown.
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Volkerball posted:drone strikes are literally the only non-diplomatic engagements obama has had with the world outside of libya and isis. bernie over the last 8 years would've been like, drone strikes against isis, and that's it. that's pretty goddamn off the wall for the us. not really
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Disinterested posted:not really lol
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Berke Negri posted:yeah that's tnc's point, even today an outlier candidate from the left of the democrat establishment who is supposedly willing to throw out all sorts of impossible policy solutions once it comes up to an issue that is framed explicitly in racial terms that all of a sudden becomes well, that's not workable i like the response someone put in uspol yesterday that while UHC is 'out there' there is support for it in significant numbers and it isn't campaign suicide (for democrats anyway). making reparations a policy plank is asking bernie to commit political suicide. now what would have been great is if bernie had actually bothered to talk to TNC and then start talking about the stuff brought up in "the case for reparations" in public speeches
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Disinterested posted:that's why I said 'beyond messaging' ah you are new to politics
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volkerball are you sure you shouldn't be posting on freep or something
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obama is the most milquetoast fuckin dude. comparing something he did to john brown is very lol
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SedanChair posted:idk probably just some ordinary cool bear poo poo that wants to make us all into peasants I often wonder why a god like cool bear would knowingly defile himself by interacting with peons such as ourselves.
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Badger of Basra posted:volkerball are you sure you shouldn't be posting on freep or something Volkerball posted:i would vote the gently caress out of john brown. sadly i dont think the fit would be quite perfect enough for that old fucker to not ban him anyway
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Matoi Ryuko posted:I often wonder why a god like cool bear would knowingly defile himself by interacting with peons such as ourselves. to spread the light of guns germs and steel
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quote:Sanders is a lot of things, many of them good. But he is not the candidate of moderation and unification, so much as the candidate of partisanship and radicalism. There is neither insult nor accolade in this. John Brown was radical and divisive. So was Eric Robert Rudolph. Our current sprawling megapolis of prisons was a bipartisan achievement. Obamacare was not. Sometimes the moral course lies within the politically possible, and sometimes the moral course lies outside of the politically possible. One of the great functions of radical candidates is to war against equivocators and opportunists who conflate these two things. Radicals expand the political imagination and, hopefully, prevent incrementalism from becoming a virtue. that is a pretty weak paragraph
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Matoi Ryuko posted:I often wonder why a god like cool bear would knowingly defile himself by interacting with peons such as ourselves. he's just that cool
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i like the response someone put in uspol yesterday that while UHC is 'out there' there is support for it in significant numbers and it isn't campaign suicide (for democrats anyway). making reparations a policy plank is asking bernie to commit political suicide. now what would have been great is if bernie had actually bothered to talk to TNC and then start talking about the stuff brought up in "the case for reparations" in public speeches I don't think TNC was saying he needs to have some huge plan for exactly what's gonna be done, but the mere fact that he won't even touch the issue is telling enough. I'd argue that in the democratic sphere just a base level statement of support for the core idea of 'our policies kept an entire race of people on the bottom rung for generations, and if we don't make amends for that we're just gonna always have this gulf between us' is far from suicide.
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i think it's funny when disint, vil, and exmarx are always the ones getting het up about stuff like this
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SedanChair posted:idk probably just some ordinary cool bear poo poo that wants to make us all into peasants Thats the worst thing I ever heard!!!!!!!! You are smarter than that, I support the words of Paul Krugman and John Maynard Keynes and if you think I don't then I guess you got trolled. Tatum Girlparts posted:I'm not even arguing that they're 'establishment', I'm saying that when every other 'establishment' force he's 'taking on' is say, Wall Street and the banks which he intends to regulate and use his power to punish for misdeeds, I'm curious what that implies about groups that represent minorities to get lumped in with them. Maybe he just wanted to touch base with people like me who have heard from some random internet forum they don't care about that "Random Supposed Charity International" actually steals charity from people and only buys drugs for themselves. If you look at the words he says "some of these" kinds of charities are wrong. He said right before that that he "has ties" to some charities. If you listen to him say it out loud, he is in the middle of a sentence, it's not an academic PAPER he wrote, he is talking in front of thousands of people
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You know what my favorite futurama episode is? The one with the Mayor's aide.
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note that exmarx never talks about reparations for indians, probably because he's racist
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corn in the bible posted:note that exmarx never talks about reparations for indians, probably because he's racist he's deffo big time racist imo
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https://twitter.com/CindyLeinwand12/status/690050959230263296 maybe rask should post on freep
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tnc is very clearly attacking sanders from the left because black people as a whole are not really on board with bernie for various reasons (his supporters dont help) the whole game is revealed in the last line where he goes "i tried to reach out to the sanders campaign over this and they didnt so heres this big poo poo i just dumped on them" added on by the tweet today where he goes https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/689902799010828289 the intention is clear
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someone should bring up the native americans in the reparations thread, i'm curious as to just how fast and how many "BUT CASINOS  " posts we get
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Raskolnikov38 posted:someone should bring up the native americans in the reparations thread, i'm curious as to just how fast and how many "BUT CASINOS people have brought it up but only as a concern troll "well why not native americans too!!!!" kind of way
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why would he prefer hillary over sanders tho
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Volkerball posted:maybe rask should post on freep oh poo poo when did i develop a pathological hatred of the perfidious persian
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btw perfidious persian is my band's name
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Raskolnikov38 posted:btw perfidious persian is my band's name That's good. What do you play?
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corn in the bible posted:note that exmarx never talks about reparations for indians, probably because he's racist that'd bankrupt england, tho What about the maori? do they get reparationd?
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Cool Bear posted:I support the words of Paul Krugman and John Maynard Keynes 
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i dunno i'm not musically inclined enough to bandwagon the meme properly
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Matoi Ryuko posted:That's good. What do you play? klezmer music
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Berke Negri posted:tnc is very clearly attacking sanders from the left because black people as a whole are not really on board with bernie for various reasons (his supporters dont help) i'm all for pushing bernie to speak more about racial issues, if only because it forces hrc to campaign on them too i just think it's the worst put together tnc piece I've read and belies certain ways tnc's own views about radicalism are a bit garbled
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i remember emarx one time posting some funny quote from hillary about how blacks should get over what happened in colonial times, instead now is the time build through private investment wish I could find a link to it
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Berke Negri posted:tnc is very clearly attacking sanders from the left because black people as a whole are not really on board with bernie for various reasons (his supporters dont help) What were the exact words of Professor Blackname when he contacted Bernie, a man who was unjustly and extremely publicly humiliated by .... you know a bunch of goofballs who did the wrong thing in possibly one of the most historically embarrassing events in all of history for maybe thousands of years, honestly. Like they couldn't interrupt a Trump rally?
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Badger of Basra posted:klezmer music i love klezmer!!!!! do you know maxwell street klezmer?
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Volkerball posted:why would he prefer hillary over sanders tho because hillary is a sure thing and doesn't lust for white supremacy with profound and sexual urgency
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Berke Negri posted:tnc is very clearly attacking sanders from the left because black people as a whole are not really on board with bernie for various reasons (his supporters dont help) I think it's perfectly valid for him to be a bit annoyed that if you're Killer Mike you get to hang out in the reporter floor at the debate but if you're Coates you can't even get a phonecall or email through. Some of Bernie's outreach ideas have been kinda weirdly patronizing, and considering the poo poo Hillary (rightly) got for her hamfisted abuela poo poo I'm kinda surprised no one's called those out. I think it's a bit dishonest to say he's attacking sanders BECAUSE he has an issue with minority voters, I think he's attacking sanders for a valid reason and that reason is one of the ones why he's having trouble with minority voters.
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don't quote my posts migf
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Badger of Basra posted:klezmer music Haha, I googled this and I love it. 
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It's me, I'm Professor Blackname
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