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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
andrew jackson isnt actually in hell, he's in a level of purgatory where to survive he has to buy everything with fiat money

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Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man
Finally another Adams to vote for!

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

putting jackson on the twenty is the greatest historical troll of all time and i salute whoever came up with it all those decades ago

the troll keeps getting better because the mint decided to ignore the sensible "women on $20s" campaign and go with adding a woman to the $10, lumping some woman in with an actual cool president lol

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Unless I missed something recently, the US Treasury hasn't made any decisions on that yet. They were going to move forward with taking Hamilton off the $10, but then "Hamilton" came out on Broadway and apparently they've been inundated with demands to leave him there ever since. Meanwhile I don't think there's anybody at all defending Jackson being on the $20 so I don't know why they haven't gone ahead and dropped his rear end yet.

just rust
Oct 23, 2012

So how vocal was Jackson about shitcanning the electoral college, since ya know, we still have that thing today. I guess it ended up being a low priority cuz it didn't involve killing and displacing a bunch of people.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
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just rust posted:

So how vocal was Jackson about shitcanning the electoral college, since ya know, we still have that thing today. I guess it ended up being a low priority cuz it didn't involve killing and displacing a bunch of people.

Jackson was one of the earliest and loudest advocates for popular democracy and included in his campaign proposals for the direct election of Senators and the President. Toward the end of his Presidency, he went as far as to advocate an elected federal judiciary and Supreme Court. He considered the country's biggest threat not to be majoritarianism, as Jefferson and Hamilton both feared, but entrenched elites who would use and abuse the federal government to enrich themselves at the expense of the most vulnerable. His fanatical crusade against the Bank of the United States was an extension of that. To him, the institution enabled the absolute worst excesses of the monied class and allowed them to retain political power without democratic oversight.

I have to double-check for specifics, but Jackson's attempts to democratize Congress ran headlong into Clay, Calhoun, and Webster who used parliamentary maneuvers to prevent them from ever leaving committee. All three men were fundamentally opposed to Jacksonian democracy, as it would undercut their own power and influence. Richard Nixon would run into a similar issue in 1969, when his amendment to abolish the Electoral College was filibustered to death in the Senate. As you might imagine, Congressmen tend to be opposed to amendments that would curtail their authority.

rakovsky maybe
Nov 4, 2008

CuwiKhons posted:

Unless I missed something recently, the US Treasury hasn't made any decisions on that yet. They were going to move forward with taking Hamilton off the $10, but then "Hamilton" came out on Broadway and apparently they've been inundated with demands to leave him there ever since. Meanwhile I don't think there's anybody at all defending Jackson being on the $20 so I don't know why they haven't gone ahead and dropped his rear end yet.

Wasn't the $20 redesigned relatively recently? I always assumed this was the reason for choosing the $10 over the $20.

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
O'Malley talking fast because he doesn't know when he's ever gonna have a national platform to speak.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

CuwiKhons posted:

Unless I missed something recently, the US Treasury hasn't made any decisions on that yet. They were going to move forward with taking Hamilton off the $10,

they're adding a woman to the 10, not removing hamilton. the woman will be on the back or in a corner somewhere. really

Lord Cyrahzax
Oct 11, 2012

Lutha Mahtin posted:

they're adding a woman to the 10, not removing hamilton. the woman will be on the back or in a corner somewhere. really

Honestly, they should replace everyone with a Lady Liberty. Dead presidents were the worst thing that ever happened to American currency, aesthetically.

Anyway, guess I'm jumping on the JQA :bandwagon:.

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

SpRahl posted:

Pretty much the only reason to vote Jackson is fear that the fucker would rise from the grave and personally shoot you, because thats something he would do.

That's good enough for me. Vote Jackson to Make America Great For The First Time.

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

Yoshifan823 posted:

O'Malley talking fast because he doesn't know when he's ever gonna have a national platform to speak.

O'Malley ran in 1824?

It's possible of course, and apparently he left as much of an impression back then as he does now.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
I'm voting for the least genocidal anti-slavery guy

lambeth
Aug 31, 2009

Ibogaine posted:

O'Malley ran in 1824?

It's possible of course, and apparently he left as much of an impression back then as he does now.

Well, per Wikipedia, O'Malley is descended from a War of 1812 veteran, so they must have been referring to that O'Malley running. Clearly, he must have done just as good a job as his descendant.

Also, while I support JQA, I hate that he's picked Calhoun as VP. Not only are his ideas odious, but also, how can you trust a man who is incapable of having a good portrait made of him?

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
Did JQA pick Calhoun, or did the party leadership?

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
As Hamilton trash, we should know that Vice President isn't a real job anyway.

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011
Vote Henry Clay, receive Parliamentary Democracy.

Empress Theonora posted:

As Hamilton trash, we should know that Vice President isn't a real job anyway.

"The Vice Presidency isn't worth a bucket of warm piss." - Known Opinion Haver, John "Cactus Jack" Garner IV.

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

Lycus posted:

Did JQA pick Calhoun, or did the party leadership?

He apparently put himself forward and then got votes from the supporters of both, Jackson and Adams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1824

quote:

Secretary of War John C. Calhoun of South Carolina, who was initially a fifth candidate in the early stages of consideration, declined to run for president, but did decide to seek the vice presidency. For president, he backed Jackson, whose political beliefs he considered more compatible with those of most voters in the southern states. Both Adams and Jackson supporters backed Calhoun's candidacy as vice president, thus he easily secured the majority of electoral votes he needed to secure that office. In reality, Calhoun was vehemently opposed to nearly all of Adams's policies, but he did nothing to dissuade Adams supporters from voting for him for vice president.

[...]

John C. Calhoun easily defeated his rivals in the race for the vice presidency, as the support of both the Adams and Jackson camps quickly gave him an unassailable lead over the other candidates.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Lycus posted:

Did JQA pick Calhoun, or did the party leadership?

Calhoun let it be known that he would be willing to take the Vice Presidency, regardless of who won, and so the Jacksonian and Anti-Jacksonian factions coalesced around him. JQA and Calhoun didn't really have a lot in common, personally or politically, and were only tied together by the party's desire to have a strong vice president who might one day have their nomination undisputed.

Calhoun is probably the only post-12th Amendment Vice President to be elected overwhelmingly and on his own virtues.

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself
Jackson vs Adams is legitimately very difficult. If I'm a contemporary, then Jackson is clearly my main man. If I'm present day, Adams is the obvious choice.

Jackson is absolutely right about the BUS and the American System. They are intended to work together to finance internal improvements, using taxes as well as bonds and deposits. The Capital Class will bankroll improvement projects, which will be built by their own companies, and which will tend to benefit them primarily. The USA will pay back the bondholders with interest. The entire scheme is pure Hamilton, and the result is a permanent Capital Class with a claim on tax revenues, which derives almost all the benefits of internal improvements. As a lowlife shitkicking yeoman farmer from Alabama, Jackson represents my only chance to kick those drat Yankees in the nuts.

On the other hand, with the benefit of hindsight, the American System was put into place by Lincoln. It ended up mostly how Jackson predicted, but it did eventually benefit the proles. Therefore, getting the Whigs going strong early is probably a good idea.

I'm so torn. On a more philosophical level, the question is whether America grew to be the most powerful nation on earth because of technological advances or because of its embrace of democracy. That debate is still not settled. For my part, I tend to side with Technology, and so.....

Adams is my guy.

just rust
Oct 23, 2012

QuoProQuid posted:

Jackson was one of the earliest and loudest advocates for popular democracy...

Thanks for this. I guess even with an immensely popular president such as Jackson it would still be nearly impossible to get the entrenched political class to go along with loosening their grip on the reigns, regardless of the public mandate the president could claim to have on his side.

Oh well, I voted for JQA anyways.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

Jackson vs Adams is legitimately very difficult. If I'm a contemporary, then Jackson is clearly my main man. If I'm present day, Adams is the obvious choice.

Jackson is absolutely right about the BUS and the American System. They are intended to work together to finance internal improvements, using taxes as well as bonds and deposits. The Capital Class will bankroll improvement projects, which will be built by their own companies, and which will tend to benefit them primarily. The USA will pay back the bondholders with interest. The entire scheme is pure Hamilton, and the result is a permanent Capital Class with a claim on tax revenues, which derives almost all the benefits of internal improvements. As a lowlife shitkicking yeoman farmer from Alabama, Jackson represents my only chance to kick those drat Yankees in the nuts.

On the other hand, with the benefit of hindsight, the American System was put into place by Lincoln. It ended up mostly how Jackson predicted, but it did eventually benefit the proles. Therefore, getting the Whigs going strong early is probably a good idea.

I'm so torn. On a more philosophical level, the question is whether America grew to be the most powerful nation on earth because of technological advances or because of its embrace of democracy. That debate is still not settled. For my part, I tend to side with Technology, and so.....

Adams is my guy.

Also Jackson is, you know, a monster.

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

Badger of Basra posted:

Also Jackson is, you know, a monster.

In the end they all are, bro.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)
Yeah, if there has been one thing I gathered from learning about these elections in more depth is that the absolute worst candidates on slavery were some of the best on actual democracy. It's interesting because I'm finally reading Coates's article on reparations (I'm slow, OK?), and he suggests that the existence of slavery was seen as a necessity for actual democracy. It reminds me a lot of that old Bob the Angry Flower comic where the citizens of Galt's Gulch are yelled at because they didn't remember to bring the necessary robots to do all the labor.

But anyway, back in ahistorical democratic socialist mode, Adams stands out clear here. Calhoun is terrible and I can only hope he is seriously marginalized as Vice President. For all of Jackson's legitimate acknowledgement of the bullshit the Northeastern elites and bankers are pulling, the blind spot and acceptance of slavery as a necessity makes it so much crocodile tears. The rest of these jokers don't even dignify a response.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Calhoun is so bad that he makes me want to vote for the Clay/Sanford ticket.

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Platystemon posted:

Calhoun is so bad that he makes me want to vote for the Clay/Sanford ticket.

It's the only true Hamiltonian ticket.

Cthulhu Dreams
Dec 11, 2010

If I pretend to be Cthulhu no one will know I'm a baseball robot.

Platystemon posted:

Calhoun is so bad that he makes me want to vote for the Clay/Sanford ticket.

Sanford looks less terrible than the rest of the VP situation but Clay seems awful.

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.
I vote for

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Q
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Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Cthulhu Dreams posted:

Sanford looks less terrible than the rest of the VP situation but Clay seems awful.

In real life Clay became an Adams Man after the election. It wasn't his last party shift.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Cthulhu Dreams posted:

Sanford looks less terrible than the rest of the VP situation but Clay seems awful.

I don't know. Nathaniel Macon's position of "I hate literally everyone and everything" seems pretty appealing.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

QuoProQuid posted:

I don't know. Nathaniel Macon's position of "I hate literally everyone and everything" seems pretty appealing.

Holy poo poo, I skimmed past him but you are COMPLETELY RIGHT.

Edit: Yep, decided to go with Stroke-Crippled Elder Statesman / Obstructionist Madman 1824. Macon for Effectively President please ignore that Crawford is pretty much back to functioning by election time and stays that way, albeit more comfortable as a judge in his home state than in federal service, until his death in 1834.

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Cthulhu Dreams
Dec 11, 2010

If I pretend to be Cthulhu no one will know I'm a baseball robot.

QuoProQuid posted:

I don't know. Nathaniel Macon's position of "I hate literally everyone and everything" seems pretty appealing.

He appears to be very pro slavery and thus can burn. Ignoring that issue, he does seem like an anti-government dick though - I hate the trend in politics that suggests that civil service can never do anything useful ever so I really don't like him. OK I am coming around to your 'hates all things' assessment.

Corek posted:

In real life Clay became an Adams Man after the election. It wasn't his last party shift.

That is quite funny - yeah, I don't really know who any of these guys are so am voting on the biography. I dislike clay because of the vocal proponent of slavery thing though so unless he has a change of heart I'm likely to still dislike him though.

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

Voted Andrew Jackson because I vote based purely on '5 most badass presidents' lists on Cracked.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Thank you all for voting. In another landslide, John Quincy Adams has succeeded his father to become the President of the United States, and Protector of Their Liberties. With this large public mandate, Adams hopes to introduce a comprehensive plan to improve the national economy and to strengthen public education. Though Congress has dismissed early proposals calling for, observatories and “national laboratories,” Adams hopes that he and his Vice President John C. Calhoun can transform the country.


RESULTS BREAKDOWN

Most Popular Ticket:

John Quincy Adams / John Caldwell Calhoun (Democratic-Republican) - 52 votes (73.2%)
Andrew Jackson / John Caldwell Calhoun (Democratic-Republican) - 10 votes (14.1%)
Henry Clay / Nathan Sanford (Democratic-Republican) - 9 votes (12.7%)
William Harris Crawford / Nathaniel Macon (Democratic-Republican) - 0 votes (0.0%)

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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ELECTION OF 1828
:siren: Click here to vote in the Election of 1828! :siren:


Background:

In 1824, the Jacksonians were convinced that they might finally gain control of the United States Government and turn it into a tool for the masses. When they were, instead set off fury and anger not seen since the Revolution. Despite winning the popular vote by a wide margin, Jackson was denied the Presidency by a cabal of party men led by Henry Clay. Instead, Clay elevated the aristocratic John Quincy Adams, who has promised to turn a blind eye to slavery for the support.

Since the Election, little has happened to convince the public that they are not being manipulated by elites. While Adams has pursued ambitious public works projects, very few have seen these projects directly benefit them. Even Congress has raised objections, because his proposals seem to disproportionately some sectors of the economy at the expense of others. Others still question whether a President elected by the House deserves such an expansive agenda.

Worse yet, the President has signed into law an extremely robust tariff that seems engineered to harm the South. Recognizing an opportunity to protect his constituents while damaging his unpopular enemies, Congressman Martin Van Buren campaigned in Congress to set high tariffs to protect Mid-Atlantic and Western agricultural products from foreign competition. The tariff also set restrictive import restrictions on textiles, which harmed British manufacturers. Southern planters were forced to buy extremely expensive substitutes from domestic suppliers or go out of business. In Virginia, this tariff has earned the moniker, “The Tariff of Abominations” and communities across the South have accused it of being unconstitutional. Vice President Calhoun opposes the tariff so much that he drafted the South Carolina Exposition, asserting the right of a state to nullify federal law.

To counteract Jackson's growing network of supporters, Adams has tried to make an issue out of Jackson's personal character. Jackson’s history of martial successes has been repainted as the work of a bloodthirsty maniac. Jackson’s history of executing army deserters and natives has come under attack as unnecessarily cruel. Not even Jackson’s marriage to Rachel Donelson has been safe from attack. When Rachel married Jackson, both believed that she had been properly divorced from her first husband. When it was revealed that the papers were improperly filled, Adams turned the matter into a political scandal. He has accused Rachel of being a bigamist, an adultereress, and a prostitute. He has accused Jackson as being insufficiently Christian to serve as President.

After the Jacksonians swept through Congress in 1826, Adams and company tried to distance themselves from the old Democratic-Republicans and instead establish a new party, the National Republicans. Based on the economic concepts of Henry Clay, they can complete the American System by discrediting Jackson. Jackson himself leads the newly rechristened Democratic Party, which styles itself as a defender of the common man.


The Candidates:

DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANDIDATES:


Presidential Nominee: Andrew Jackson
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic Party
  • Notable Positions: President of the United States, Military Governor of Florida, United States Senator from Tennessee, United States Representative from Tennessee, General in the American Army
  • Biography: Andrew Jackson is the first “self-made man” of the United States and the first Westerner with a real chance of winning the White House. Born in Waxhaw, South Carolina to Scotch-Irish immigrants, Jackson spent his early life fighting in the Revolutionary War and studying law. In 1788, he moved to Nashville, Tennessee, where he fell in love with Rachel Donelson Robards, who had been abandoned by her husband. A prosecutor, judge, congressman, and senator, Jackson distinguished himself within Tennessee as an advocate of the people. It was only in the Battle for New Orleans in 1814, however, that he became known nationally. Hoping to use the victory to support themselves, Madison and Monroe elevated the battle in almost mythic proportions. Consequently, Jackson has become a type of modern George Washington. In 1824, Jackson lost the Presidential Election despite winning the popular vote. This injustice has further increased his fame.
  • Platform: After the so-called “corrupt bargain” of 1824, Andrew Jackson finds himself at the head of a political revolution against entrenched elites. Having witnessed first-hand the willingness of party leaders to fulfill their interests above the interests of the nation at large, Jackson promises to abolish every political unjust restriction. He advocates universal suffrage for all white males and the removal of all tax or property requirements. He promises an end to the corrupt patronage system and promises to personally oversee reform efforts. He promises an end to the corrupt Bank of the United States, which enriches the wealthiest citizens at the expense of the most poor. He even promises to expand the country’s borders, which have been unjustly constrained by wealthy aristocrats who are afraid of free men. Jackson promises a return to constitutional law and will work tirelessly to ensure that government serves the common man. Jackson tepidly supports Clay’s proposed American System, which seeks to build a self-sufficient national economy, and is especially interested in using it to improve national transportation. He worries, however, about the program’s potential to be tyrannous and to disproportionately benefit the North. He supports mild tariffs as a way of supporting this system, despite its unpopularity in the South. Jackson is an avid proponent of slavery and national expansion. He views the native tribes as an active threat to American civilization that must be crushed.


Vice Presidential Nominee: John Caldwell Calhoun
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: Vice President of the United States, United States Secretary of War, United States Representative from South Carolina
  • Biography: John Caldwell Calhoun is one of the country’s leading politicians, theorists, and nationalists. Born in 1782 to a Scotch-Irish immigrant, Calhoun spent much of his early life working on his family’s farm in South Carolina and only managed to attend Yale College with his brothers’ financial support. Using the connections he made in Yale, Calhoun was able to achieve a seat in the United States House of Representatives, where he distinguished himself as a “war hawk” in favor of the War of 1812 and an aggressive proponent of Madison’s policies. For his passionate support, Calhoun was made Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs where he struggled to overcome opposition from Webster, Macon, and Randolph to raise taxes or institute a draft. Under Monroe, Calhoun served as the Secretary of War where he sought to establish an effective navy.
  • Platform: Calhoun is an avid proponent of nationalism and modernization and is a leading backer of Clay's proposed American System. Hoping to transform the United States from an economic backwater into a self-sufficient hegemon, Calhoun has embraced the ideas of Alexander Hamilton. His ideas rest on three mutually reinforcing parts: a strong national bank to foster commerce, federal subsidies for roads, canals, and other internal improvements, and the institution of protective tariffs to protect and promote American industry. Though he recognizes the evils of slavery, Calhoun is the first man of any authority to argue that slavery is a net good, for its economic benefits, and has opposed any attempts to limit its expansion. He opposes a strong military, as he fears it will be used to entangle the United States abroad. Calhoun is also noted for advocating against the use of force on Native Americans. He hopes to set up a system of voluntary land exchange to ensure American expansion without violence. Calhoun loathes John Quincy Adams and supports Nullification to stop his agenda.

NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY CANDIDATES:


Presidential Nominee: John Quincy Adams
  • Party Affiliation: National Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: United States Secretary of State, United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom, United States Ambassador to Russia, United States Ambassador to Prussia, United States Ambassador to the Netherlands, United States Senator from Massachusetts, United States Representative from Massachusetts
  • Biography: John Quincy Adams is the son of former President John Adams, who trained his son to excel in the foreign service. At the age of ten, he accompanied his father to Paris, where he became fluent in French. Over the next seven years, John Quincy lived in Paris, Amsterdam, and St. Petersburg, and eventually attended the prestigious University of Leiden. After returning to the United States, he served as his father’s secretary, helped negotiate the Treaty of Paris, which ended the Revolutionary War, and graduated from Harvard. John Quincy has served every President since George Washington and most recently served James Monroe’s Secretary of State. He played a major role in articulating the Monroe Doctrine and negotiating the Adams-Onis Treaty.
  • Platform: While Jackson stands as a figure of revolutionary change, Adams has emerged as a defender of the old order and a symbol of continuity. For Adams, national government must never be swayed by the urgings of local interests or the “momentary majority. Instead, it must “refine and enlarge the public views,” no matter how unpopular with the unwashed masses. As such, Adams opposes almost all of what Jackson stands for. He opposes a government of the “common man,” because the common man is too uneducated and short-sighted to understand long-term national survival. He does not believe in a need to end patronage and sees informal forms of influence as a political necessity. Adams also fundamentally opposes strict constitutionalism as it prevents the President from enacting necessary internal improvements. Adams believes that every effort must be made to support the American System, which hopes to achieve a self-sufficient but regionally specialized economy. He is willing to support high tariffs, such as the Tariff of Abominations, to achieve this vision. He is aligned with Clay on economics. In other affairs, Adams supports opening up trade with markets in Europe and South America and rapprochement with the British. He hopes to resolve ongoing trade disputes with the British West Indies and Canada. He adamantly opposes slavery. Though he wishes to remove the Native Americans from the South, Adams believes that he has a duty to treaty the Indians as equals and to abide by existing treaties with them. He supports purchasing land from the tribes, not merely annexing them.


Vice Presidential Nominee: Richard Rush
  • Party Affiliation: National Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: United States Secretary of the Treasury, Ambassador to the United Kingdom, Acting United states Secretary of State, United States Attorney General, Comptroller of the United States Treasury
  • Biography: Richard Rush first gained prominence as a War Hawk and supporter of Madison within the largely “Dove” Treasury. Rush quickly gained Madison’s friendship and a position as the youngest Attorney General in American history. His ties would also help him befriend John Quincy Adams, whose position he temporarily took in 1817. As Acting Secretary of State, Richard Rush negotiated a demilitarization of the Great Lakes and the joint administration of Oregon. Though he is well-respected in Europe, Rush failed to get British recognition of the new South American republics. This failure led directly to the Monroe Doctrine. He has also, notably, only missed one week of work since the start of his career.
  • Platform: Richard Rush is a moderate nationalist and, unsurprisingly, a former Federalist who defected to the Democratic-Republicans over his dislike of the British. Rush believes in the necessity of the American System over all other programs. He is suspicious of Western expansion and believes that the West needs to engage in self-sacrifice to ensure the solvency of the Union. Rush believes that the United States should build a strong navy to supplement the natural defense that is the Atlantic, and sought a position as Secretary of the Navy before receiving the Treasury. He is a trade protectionist and while he did not design the Tariff of Abominations, he does not oppose it. He considers abolitionism to be a Northern extravagance and a threat to national unity.

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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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I am writing this from a borrowed tablet at a friend's house, so I am sure there are typos throughout the above. If you notice any errors, either grammatical or factual, let me know and I will correct after I get home.

The entire DMV is shut down until Monday.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Second verse, same as the first. JQA motherfucker.

memy
Oct 15, 2011

by exmarx
What an awful loving election

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!
I can't believe someone would stoop so low as to characterize Andrew Jackson as a bloodthirsty maniac.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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memy posted:

What an awful loving election

The only problem with JQA I'm seeing is his misguided foray into protectionism. :colbert:

Well, and maligning Jackson's wife, I guess.

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