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stanislaus posted:Are magic archers supposed to be poo poo at lower levels or am I bad? The six shot arrow and rain of arrow skills do almost literally no damage to big monsters, whereas my sorcerer pawn takes off 1-2 bars at once with the huge nukes. I also just got the explosive bolt skill, but mashing melee with daggers seems to be higher DPS than anything else. This is at level ~28 with equal attack/magic from leveling, still using the basic gear you buy from gran soren. It's not so much that your magick bow damage is low as daggers do a ridiculous amount of damage because you get so many hits. Your magick archer specific dagger skills are actually really powerful (lighting yourself on fire is shockingly effective, the holy orb move does TONS of damage to a knocked down big enemy and Magick Rebalancer can be stacked four times to let your bow turn into an artillery piece) The bow itself is honestly better as a support piece until you've got magick rebalancer to make the attacks super overkill: try opening a fight with a bunch of flaming rivets and then using your dagger charge to go pop them all or using the holy flashbang on a group of undead e: or yeah, hunting arrow (or richochet shot in a dungeon/bbi) with a knockdown buff to keep a whole mob of enemies on the ground for the duration of the fight atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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I didn't realise the offline and online Ur-Dragons were entirely different beasts. That's much more achievable.
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Jan 22, 2016 00:20
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Genocyber posted:The weapons you get from it are still top-notch, pretty useful until you get the BBI weapons since few things resist Holy significantly, and they look really cool. Also unique armor pieces and Fashion's Dogma is the actual good game here folks. I'm running a level 54 Assassin with level 1 BBI weapons so hopefully I'll do okay. Wanna get the sword and dagger and fashion. Especially the fashion.
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Trapezium Dave posted:I didn't realise the offline and online Ur-Dragons were entirely different beasts. That's much more achievable. Yeah, the only thing you can only get from the online Ur-Dragon is the Abyssinal Set. Which, while cool looking, isn't a big deal.
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Jan 22, 2016 00:46
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Captain Oblivious posted:I'm running a level 54 Assassin with level 1 BBI weapons so hopefully I'll do okay. Wanna get the sword and dagger and fashion. Especially the fashion. You'll do fine with a BBI weapon. It's all about damage, so bring some conq periapts, and just stack them while you hack away at the hearts. Bring some blast arrows for the wings.
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Can you fight the offline ur dragon without pulling your internet cable? Is there a toggle somewhere?
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Jan 22, 2016 00:51
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Sexual Aluminum posted:Can you fight the offline ur dragon without pulling your internet cable? Is there a toggle somewhere? There is, it's in e options menu.
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Sexual Aluminum posted:Can you fight the offline ur dragon without pulling your internet cable? Is there a toggle somewhere? yeah, just set offline mode in the options menu, even when playing. You can go hire goon pawns before that as well. Just remember to set it back to online before you dismiss. Might cause problems otherwise, like lost riftbux (nothing major)
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i like magick archer a lot but the choice between immolate or magick rebalancer with hundred kisses/instant reset equipped is really hard 
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About Enhancing: Can I enhance for example my Broadsword to Level 1 and then later to level 2 and 3, or does enhancing it to level 1 lock me out of enhancing it further? DD Wiki doesn't say.
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Jan 22, 2016 00:58
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ShadowMar posted:i like magick archer a lot but the choice between immolate or magick rebalancer with hundred kisses/instant reset equipped is really hard Let me help you: Choose the option that allows you to set yourself on fire.
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Jan 22, 2016 00:59
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Downs Duck posted:About Enhancing: You can enhance whenever you want. Go ahead and enhance to level 1 and then come back later once you got the materials for 2 or 3. You can also jump right to level 3 (even if you missing the requirements for level 2).
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Jan 22, 2016 01:00
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Downs Duck posted:About Enhancing: You can enhance upward in any interval. you can go straight to level 3 from 0. You can go to 1, then later to 3. The only oddity is dragon forging, which requires killing dragons. The more upgraded something is, the higher the odds of dragon forging.
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Jan 22, 2016 01:01
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Found this pretty cool Mystic Knight vs. Daimon video I thought I'd share. Spoilers obviously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUVrfH-O8LY
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Kirenski posted:After a bunch of testing settings and seeing alot of accessing server bars, I posted the weird pawn bug in the steam bug thread: http://steamcommunity.com/app/367500/discussions/6/451850849183104417/#p26   (second screenshot is from a smurf account via family sharing to not have account in question on friends list)
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DontMindMe posted:You can enhance whenever you want. Go ahead and enhance to level 1 and then come back later once you got the materials for 2 or 3. Kiggles posted:You can enhance upward in any interval. you can go straight to level 3 from 0. You can go to 1, then later to 3. Sweet. Thanks, guys.
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ShadowMar posted:i like magick archer a lot but the choice between immolate or magick rebalancer with hundred kisses/instant reset equipped is really hard In general I desperately wish there was one more slot for dagger and sword abilities. I only ever feel like I have a single slot that I can play around with, while the other 2 are taken up by skills that I pretty much need no matter what. Meanwhile I look over at the 3 skills on my fighter's shield and realize that I never use any of them. If only I could shove sword stuff on those hotkeys!
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Bitterblack Isle is pretty fun guys
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btw can we put this in the OP of course this doesn't apply to late-gen ur-dragons but gently caress that noise ShadowMar fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Jan 22, 2016 01:12
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misclicked 2x and game taxed me 10k gold or 96 minutes. Yaaaay?
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ShadowMar posted:btw can we put this in the OP Counterpoint: Assassins get Harness abilities so why would you play anything else.
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Mailer posted:Counterpoint: Assassins get Harness abilities so why would you play anything else. 
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ShadowMar posted:btw can we put this in the OP I don't entirely agree with the logic there. I do agree you should pay w/e vocation you want, but only the BBI weapons truly outshine basic strength/magic, and when you got those you've already done run 1 or maybe even run 2 of BBI which is the hardest content in the game. Not to mention min/maxing does allow one to killer tougher enemies earlier/without grinding, which is nice. I'll probably make some mention of this somewhere in the OP tho.
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What gifts do you guys tend to send pawns back with? I like duplicating Snakeskin Purses, since most people aren't gonna know how to get those for the quest and even if you do know how it's a pain in the dick. It costs like 16k gold per dupe, but money isn't a big deal especially with the free initial 300k you get from the monocle nowadays. Once I get farther into the game I start to use Leaden Globes instead for a similar, higher level notice board quest. I don't think the majority of players are ever gonna find one, considering that the only way to get them is to mine a rare RNG ore from one specific hidden spot in the game and then craft it with another type of ore. As a bonus, duplicating these is quite cheap. Vargs fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Jan 22, 2016 01:32
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I always send pawns home with a Large Nut.
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ShadowMar posted:i like magick archer a lot but the choice between immolate or magick rebalancer with hundred kisses/instant reset equipped is really hard I never quite got the hang of Instant Reset. I can see why it's good, but jumping and dodge rolling cancel a good deal of stuff and there are other skills with more obvious/active applications that make more than strong enough a case for my limited skill slots. Is there some less obvious utility I'm not seeing?
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Turtlicious posted:misclicked 2x and game taxed me 10k gold or 96 minutes. 10k gold is not a whole lot.
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Genocyber posted:I don't entirely agree with the logic there. I do agree you should pay w/e vocation you want, but only the BBI weapons truly outshine basic strength/magic, and when you got those you've already done run 1 or maybe even run 2 of BBI which is the hardest content in the game. Not to mention min/maxing does allow one to killer tougher enemies earlier/without grinding, which is nice. I'll probably make some mention of this somewhere in the OP tho.
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gently caress that woodland drake, shoulda really got to get some ice magic or something. Maxed out the ranger vocation a little after, next time I'm in the mood for drake hunting I'll just be doing Great gamble shots til I run out of fish. Got a set of dragonforged leggings. Still worth it, was fun/intense fight, especially each time my warrior pawn managed to get mind controlled and I had to check if I had anything at all that'd knock him out of it before he reached me. I pulled cures out of my rear end 4 times, I'd dumped most of my non health/stamine curatives to save on weight a while back and forgot to restock before this. Thank god I wasn't more thorough. Had two attempts, ran into some odd AI on the first one. Jumped onto a spot around his shoulder and was wailing on him with hundred kisses, and his response was to keep spamming the 360 degree spin which didn't hurt me or throw me off. Not very effective since I wasn't hiting his heart and my pawns couldnt't get near with the constant spinning. He eventually finally span and ran himself far enough away that his "fly back to base" AI kicked in and I had to get off Mr. Drake's wild ride. Couldn't replicate it the next time.
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Broken Cog posted:Yeah, it doesn't seem that bad at paper, but once you reach the latter parts of BBI and first notice that you need to reach a damage threshold to even punch through the defenses of certain enemies, those extra points into strength sure feels useful (Not sure if it works the same for magic, haven't played much of the magic classes). Yeah, that graph is actively misleading for 99% of the game. If you have access to the literal best equipment in the game, sure, you can pretty much get away with being anything you want. If you don't, or when you're leveling, missing 100 strength is loving huge when that's what you need to punch through the next tier of monster defenses and your best gear caps out at 400 strength or so. It makes leveling or using other classes to dragonforge their gear a pain in the dick too. Zore fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Opposing Farce posted:I never quite got the hang of Instant Reset. I can see why it's good, but jumping and dodge rolling cancel a good deal of stuff and there are other skills with more obvious/active applications that make more than strong enough a case for my limited skill slots. Is there some less obvious utility I'm not seeing? you can cancel knockdowns, hitstun, and unlatch from enemies instantly as well as cancel the pawn revive animation. plus a whole lot of other smaller uses
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ShadowMar posted:you can cancel knockdowns, hitstun, and unlatch from enemies instantly as well as cancel the pawn revive animation. plus a whole lot of other smaller uses You can also use instant reset and the roll with bows equipped.
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Instant reset is good because you can skip the animation where you take out and put away lanterns.
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Genocyber posted:I don't entirely agree with the logic there. I do agree you should pay w/e vocation you want, but only the BBI weapons truly outshine basic strength/magic, and when you got those you've already done run 1 or maybe even run 2 of BBI which is the hardest content in the game. Not to mention min/maxing does allow one to killer tougher enemies earlier/without grinding, which is nice. I'll probably make some mention of this somewhere in the OP tho. honestly, as long as you make it very clear that you should just play whatever you want your first time instead of worrying about stat growth thats ok by me
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My pawn BasementLord will be kinda lovely for a few days until I get his gear and such up to speed. Wanted to try out the Strider with a Rusted Bow loadout and even though I barely have any stuff unlocked for him on Strider he is putting Torpor on absolutely everything which more or less trivializes a lot of encounters. Mitigator or Challenger to get the most out of it, what do you guys reckon? Thanks to the people who hired him and sent back food, he's not a big guy but that gut of his has room for a lot of chow. Being a bit of a sperg with my Arisen build this second time around, gone 10 fighter/15 ranger/20 sorc so far. End goal is MA with a hefty amount of both physical and magick damage for some serious climbing while on fire. Learning I could manually aim by holding l-shift was a real gamechanger for playing sorc, poor saurians never know what's hitting them.
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Zore posted:Yeah, that graph is actively misleading for 99% of the game. If you have access to the literal best equipment in the game, sure, you can pretty much get away with being anything you want. Periapts
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Do pawns learn how to use Instant Reset? I'm playing with the Arisen and Main Pawn having the same vocation and skills to see what the AI does, but it's hard to notice something like a pawn using Instant Reset in a battle.
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I feel like the best way to deal with the whole stat growth thing is to just dedicate each character to either physical classes or magic classes. Swapping between fighter/warrior/assassin/ranger/strider regularly won't result in the absolute highest strength possible, but you'll still get plenty and it won't harm you like playing sorcerer for dozens of levels will. MK and MA have poo poo growths no matter what, but oh well. If you really want to play those vocations then do it. Switching classes on a regular basis for specific augments is also a good idea, both for variety and for overall effectiveness. Even if you don't necessarily care about being as powerful as possible, having some augs just makes the game more convenient/fun.
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Vargs posted:What gifts do you guys tend to send pawns back with? I like duplicating Snakeskin Purses, since most people aren't gonna know how to get those for the quest and even if you do know how it's a pain in the dick. It costs like 16k gold per dupe, but money isn't a big deal especially with the free initial 300k you get from the monocle nowadays. I cheated myself 500 Gold Idols and give one to every pawn I use. My dream is that I have saved someone somewhere from doing that awful quest. Otherwise its a nice amount of cash.
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