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I feel that I should get the TE OP series and make a cover of of Pocket Calculator. I wont. Because who makes actual songs?
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This is my fave NAMM year in like at least five years, because I just caught the Arturia MatrixBrute http://audionewsroom.net/2016/01/arturia-matrixbrute-analog-synthesizer-modular-without-the-patching.html  e: Waldorf Kn37 with the FATAR TP9, oh poo poo at that too e: KORG VOLCA FM OH MY poo poo Ghosts n Gopniks fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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MrLonghair posted:This is my fave NAMM year in like at least five years, because I just caught the Arturia MatrixBrute http://audionewsroom.net/2016/01/arturia-matrixbrute-analog-synthesizer-modular-without-the-patching.html Goddamn 
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Holy poo poo. And here I am trying to save pennies for a used polysynth. Can I just trade in my MiniBrute?
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Jan 21, 2016 18:00
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MrLonghair posted:Fuckit deserves a new post GET loving OWNED YAMAHA 
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Jesus I hope that it's actually programmable. e: By that I mean how can it be diverse without a mass of menu diving? I guess they're using simple envelopes, for one.
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Jan 21, 2016 18:07
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MrLonghair posted:Fuckit deserves a new post gently caress
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MrLonghair posted:This is my fave NAMM year in like at least five years, because I just caught the Arturia MatrixBrute http://audionewsroom.net/2016/01/arturia-matrixbrute-analog-synthesizer-modular-without-the-patching.html Those wooden sides look fake af, pass.
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Jan 21, 2016 18:21
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W424 posted:Those wooden sides look fake af, pass. They probably are fake, but also I'm fairly sure that's a CG rendering.
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Jan 21, 2016 18:25
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And again my breath is taken away. Anything else up your sleeve, MrLonghair?
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W424 posted:Those wooden sides look fake af, pass. So Math posted:And again my breath is taken away. Anything else up your sleeve, MrLonghair? e: AKAI coming with MPC Touch (kinda impressive, wanna try it), another MPC Studio that looks remarkably thin with an oversized knob, don't wanna bash those pads, and recordplayers BT100 and BT500 sticking to the modern technology trends ie premium as hell pricing. Thanks hipsters. e: official MatrixBrute subsite https://www.arturia.com/matrixbrute/overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfLTlbGwXD0 Ghosts n Gopniks fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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... analog reverb? Did they put a spring in there or what? I guess they mean just a bbd delay that implements all the effects or whatever. You guys think $2k street for this bad boy? More?
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breaks posted:... analog reverb? Did they put a spring in there or what? I guess they mean just a bbd delay that implements all the effects or whatever. For $2k you could get a Pro 2 or a Dominion 1(or a JD-XA) though, and Arturia has always had issues with quality control. Like if it was $1k - $1.2k I could see it selling, but not at the $1.8k that's been thrown around. Speaking of Arturia... this looks way more interesting to me. A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Holy poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTbJpVlRI_o edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFndmSO7OFo Tan Dumplord fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Holy poo poo #2quote:With FM-X the new MONTAGE relies on the most powerful FM engine of all time. This enhanced sound generation in tradition of synth legends of the 1980s still offers a unique dynamism, power, and fascination. With eight Operators, 88 Algorithms and seven Spectral Forms, MONTAGE offers tremendous power. For comparison: The legendary Yamaha DX7 of 1983 had six Operators, 32 Algorithms and simple sine waves. With Spectral Skirt and Spectral Resonance FM-X also allows the widening of the harmonic curve and the shifting of the harmonic peaks. Along with Filters, EQ, an additional Common LFO and the effect department - a new dimension of FM sound-design is created. Yamaha listened! edit: Conspicuously, no mention of FM-X polyphony. NAMM 2016: They're in the trees! Tan Dumplord fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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I rate NAMM 2016 as "Good poo poo".
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net work error posted:I rate NAMM 2016 as "Good poo poo". Yeah, I'm already calling my doctor because there's no way my erection goes down in the next 3 hours.
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Montage comes 15 kilograms for the 61er, near 30 for the 88. Got the question of how programmable the Korg Volca FM sent out to my people, it'd be a miracle if it took dx7 sysex over midi. e: "Can you touch the matrixbrute for me?" "k" 
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Jan 21, 2016 19:48
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Can the sequencer in the Beatstep Pro hold notes? Like if I wanted to have a sequence that had notes of varying lengths, can it accommodate that?
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Short video of this: https://www.instagram.com/p/BAz9oCDwim6/
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sliderule posted:Holy poo poo #2 Dude, look at the base product description of the SY-77, remove mysterious jargon such as "skirting", add an extra pair of operators and you have exactly the same thing. 1989 was a loving long time ago, not only have synth manufacturers not really done much in terms of innovation since then, we're still getting excited about the rehashed stuff they put out.
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Sizone posted:Dude, look at the base product description of the SY-77, remove mysterious jargon such as "skirting", add an extra pair of operators and you have exactly the same thing. 1989 was a loving long time ago, not only have synth manufacturers not really done much in terms of innovation since then, we're still getting excited about the rehashed stuff they put out. Yeah when I said Yamaha listened, I meant that they listened when people (myself included) said "Just release an SY77/99/FS1R with modern specs" when the ReFace DX came out. And yes, I would be super hyped if they straight-up rereleased the FS1R. edit: sliderule posted:I don't see why they couldn't do 6-op, or even reproduce the SY-77 engine. Moore's law and all. Goddamnit Yamaha. Just rerelease the FS1R so I can get FM the gently caress out of my system. Tan Dumplord fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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http://www.strymon.net/products/generalissimo/ this is extremely relevant to my musical aesthetic
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Swagger Dagger posted:I haven't but I got a newsletter from bitwig about it and now I'm drooling over it. It looks so drat cool. Yeah that's what set me off too. I'd seen the Grand, but didn't know they had the 25 key version out. My Handsonic is just sitting here unused, so I'm thinking I might swap it out. However, Roli has no dealers here in Oz and shipping is $115 loving dollars sooooooooo...hmmm.
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This brings up an interesting point though: if we are getting super excited for rehashed products, why is that? A couple of factors spring to mind immediately: cost and reliability. What would the dollar cost and true cost be for buying a classic Oberheim poly? Dollar-wise, I would think that the cost of classics would meet or exceed the cost of brand new hardware if it were in perfect condition. Then there's the feature cost: the OB-6 is arguably better-featured, the components have 0 run-time, and the capacitors aren't 30 years old. What about the SY-77? You'd probably pay a small fraction of the price for the old hardware compared to the new, but you'd be stuck with its old-rear end 16-bit DACs, and I don't know the sample rate and internal bit depth of the SY-77, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that FM-X is improved, and the same goes for the digital filters. The advancements in the UI alone would be welcome to anyone not already familiar with SY-77 programming. (This completely ignores the fact that the MONTAGE is also much more capable than just FM-X. I know AWM2 LOL, but still.) Same idea, new hardware: it's not a bad plan for a manufacturer compared to attempting to develop a novel architecture. Eurorack/boutique manufacturers already have that angle covered. Basically: if the synth was worthwhile when it was first released, why can't the exact same synth be worthwhile now, especially if the original hardware has decayed? FM was passe for a while and now it's back in. Analog subtractive took a backseat momentarily , but it came back. There are new forms of synthesis, but they don't devalue the old forms. Anyhow that's my defense of rehashing old products thanks for reading.
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sliderule posted:Holy poo poo proclick it's a collab between tom goddamn oberheim and dave smith 6 voice poly with oberheim sem filters thank you based smith sliderule posted:I don't see why they couldn't do 6-op, or even reproduce the SY-77 engine. Moore's law and all. Goddamnit Yamaha. Just rerelease the FS1R so I can get FM the gently caress out of my system. please be next fully polyphonic vp-1 for $999 
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The FM-X stuff sounds like the FS1R feature set to me, the skirt parameter was there on the FS1R for example. I guess it probably won't have the format sequencing stuff but I think that was pretty obscure and rarely used anyway. A shame it's part of an expensive rear end workstation thing though.
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New Intellijel stuff too: https://www.facebook.com/Intellijel/photos/a.282715905177742.69181.159216090861058/932523056863687/?type=3&theater From the looks of it a case with dedicated bus stuff on top, speaker, compressor, and... dunno what the Rainmaker is. e: From other sources the rainmaker is apparently a comb resonator/delay. stillvisions fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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stillvisions posted:New Intellijel stuff too: yesss, more 1U utilities.
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sliderule posted:This brings up an interesting point though: if we are getting super excited for rehashed products, why is that? The old rear end DACs sound better, like how 12 bit samplers sound better. Front panel programming the SY/TG-77 is as easy and straightforward as synth programming is ever going to get, the only thing new tech will improve on is the load time when your switch between pages or scale levels for the envelopes. You shouldn't need a filter for FM synthesis, it's on the sy-77 to provide extra plasticy charm. What we need is a new synthesis type, like FM, subtractive, additive, wavetable, we haven't seen one in a really long time outside of, maybe, granular. Dicksynth, what we need is dicksynth. Sizone fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Sizone posted:Dicksynth, what we need is dicksynth. NAMM delivers: 
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good jovi posted:yesss, more 1U utilities. They aren't compatible with other 1U rows. Notably the Pulp Logic lunchbox I got last week 
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MrLonghair posted:Montage comes 15 kilograms for the 61er, near 30 for the 88. Got the question of how programmable the Korg Volca FM sent out to my people, it'd be a miracle if it took dx7 sysex over midi.  says the korg will eat DX sysex but the Mr. Glass posted:http://www.strymon.net/products/generalissimo/ All boners on deck  Scatterfold posted:NAMM delivers: Meet me at the horsecock in the next horsecock for an asskicking horsecock Tayter Swift posted:They aren't compatible with other 1U rows. Notably the Pulp Logic lunchbox I got last week That's lame That's bizarre too, aren't the vermona wide tiles 1U compat? This year is batshit and it's not even Friday.
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Tayter Swift posted:They aren't compatible with other 1U rows. Notably the Pulp Logic lunchbox I got last week Have you seen some definitive info on that? I saw someone mentioned that in the MW eurorack NAMM thread, but it seemed a little hand-wavey.
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Sizone posted:The old rear end DACs sound better, like how 12 bit samplers sound better. While sample rate and bit depth aliasing have an interesting aesthetic on samples, I beg to differ regarding FM. I owned a DX7II, programmed my own phase modulation software, and now own FM8 and a ReFace DX, I can say that for every patch where the limitations of the old technology contributed positively, there are dozens of patches where the aliasing was detrimental. It's not just the DACs, it's the math. FM is just a bunch of math. The lower the bit depth, the less accurate your results. In FM, this amounts to (among other things) phase drift between the operators, which introduces erroneous (often inharmonic) content. Try modulating by a high harmonic and playing a high note. Sure, this makes some patches sound great, especially sounds which already contain inharmonic content, but if your goal is harmonics, it's usually detrimental. (Yes, this makes the DX7 better-suited for industrial tones.) quote:Front panel programming the SY/TG-77 is as easy and straightforward as synth programming is ever going to get, the only thing new tech will improve on is the load time when your switch between pages or scale levels for the envelopes. That vs. a touch screen is hardly even arguable for a consumer. Also, that rotary encoder is not going to last forever. The likelihood that all of that switchgear is going to work properly when you find one is somewhat low already. Another factor not yet mentioned is the floppy drive, although that can be replaced with a memory card reader rather easily. quote:You shouldn't need a filter for FM synthesis, it's on the sy-77 to provide extra plasticy charm. I think that's a bit revisionist. I doubt the designers chose the nature of the filter for its character rather than technological limitations. And yes, you don't (and shouldn't) need one, but it's useful nonetheless. I agree wholeheartedly that it sucks that this engine is stuck to a flagship workstation instead of a midrange performance synth. quote:What we need is a new synthesis type, like FM, subtractive, additive, wavetable, we haven't seen one in a really long time outside of, maybe, granular. How long should they produce that synth for? And then how often do they need to invent novel forms of synthesis and release products based on those? Is there an infinite number of synthesis methods that they can draw from? Are all of these modes of synthesis as musically useful as each other? I agree that new forms of synthesis are good as it expands the overall sonic palette, but surely maintaining this palette can't simply be expecting a limited number of historically produced machines to function forever. A day ago, an analog Oberheim polysynth was not a viable option for many people. Soon, it will be. Surely, that's good if we value whatever unique sonic palette that it offers.
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good jovi posted:Have you seen some definitive info on that? I saw someone mentioned that in the MW eurorack NAMM thread, but it seemed a little hand-wavey. Same post you saw. He elaborated a bit on it. Argh.
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sliderule posted:While sample rate and bit depth aliasing have an interesting aesthetic on samples, I beg to differ regarding FM. I owned a DX7II, programmed my own phase modulation software, and now own FM8 and a ReFace DX, I can say that for every patch where the limitations of the old technology contributed positively, there are dozens of patches where the aliasing was detrimental. Sorry if you've covered this before, but how do you like the Reface? I've developed a severe FM itch. I know it's only 4-op but some of the sounds I've heard from it are pretty impressive.
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