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Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

Endorph posted:

and honestly i barely use offensive arts in this game, the damage is basically the same as crafts and cast times are long enough that half the targets will have moved by the time they go off

criminal helps but im pretty sure you only get that after the nord chapter

That's why you use either set or

...

Is there an actual term for non-set artes. I've never noticed one. Whatever.

Why you use either set or non-set artes as the turn order demands.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Endorph posted:

im starting to think i spent the entire game underleveled because bosses were doing so much damage that i couldn't really afford to lock one person down with a cast time when they'd inevitably need to drop a healing item or something

I had a few bosses where I had to really outpace their damage (V almost wiped my team if Fie hadn't dodge his S-Craft) but I also admit I spent a lot of time spamming the def-up buff to keep my guys at 50% as often as possible.

I also could easily have been overleveled, if anything got in my way I fought it outside of a few areas. (The highlands.)

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

Cake Attack posted:

yeah endorph, screw you for having a hard time with a boss

Nah, it was more in response to bringing up they're playing on hard to somehow seemingly refute the suggestion about using arts. Possibly being underleveled or not really realizing arts can actually be decent in certain circumstances are perfectly understandable reasons though.

The stuff regarding AT-Delay was pure advice - trying to do so to bosses very quickly becomes a basically worthless waste of time. Hell, attacking the small spiders actually has multiple benefits. The boss wastes turns bringing more in, and killing them, especially with Rean, helps recharge CP gauges. You also get a Flame Tongue quartz earlier in the chapter, which is extremely good against the spiders.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
I remember that tactic with the spider being something of a mixed blessing as they somehow always immediately squeezed two turns in when they spawned more enemies, one to get back another set and one to attack you into wasting a turn healing and rebuffing. But then again I was playing on hard so :shrug:.

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl
XSEED sales on Humble Bundle. Huzzah.

*pretends there's a single person in this thread that realistically doesn't already have all of these games*

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/search/publisher/XSEED

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
I'm coming up to the end of Cold Steel, and I've heard people say that the Nightmare difficulty is balanced for a New Game+? Is that true even if I import levels from my previous file, or is it just the extra master quartz/items that help?

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

ImpAtom posted:

I had a few bosses where I had to really outpace their damage (V almost wiped my team if Fie hadn't dodge his S-Craft) but I also admit I spent a lot of time spamming the def-up buff to keep my guys at 50% as often as possible.

I also could easily have been overleveled, if anything got in my way I fought it outside of a few areas. (The highlands.)

Buffs make a tremendous difference. I noticed that when fighting the ILF dudes that if I didn't have the defense up buff at 50% on, say, Fie because she's twice as fast as everyone else, she'd eat it and everyone else would be standing.

I may have overleveled as well mostly because I ground for Septh Masses whenever I'd clear a schoolhouse floor. Just run to the end, heal, then run back to the beginning and then back to the end again. The final boss on the final floor of the schoolhouse didn't even get to take a turn of its own thanks to how much AT delay I poured into him with Fie, Laura and Rean. Emma was basically just there with the Moebius Quartz to throw stat foods at the group. The only reason I didn't get Unscathed is because Rean whiffs a lot for me and he got countered a few times.

I'm going into Nightmare at level 69 (thanks to the 3 pom baits) - will anything other than bosses even give me trouble til the end of the game? I still need to finish my bursts/rushes trophies.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Supremezero posted:

XSEED sales on Humble Bundle. Huzzah.

*pretends there's a single person in this thread that realistically doesn't already have all of these games*

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/search/publisher/XSEED

Thanks, I picked up a copy of TitS FC for a friend.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Levantine posted:

I'm going into Nightmare at level 69 (thanks to the 3 pom baits) - will anything other than bosses even give me trouble til the end of the game? I still need to finish my bursts/rushes trophies.

Probably not, but hang on to your crappy starting weapons so you can build up bravery points without insta-killing everything in the early chapters.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

also, question about late-joining party member


What is Millium even supposed to do? She's sort of set up like a tank, but her HP is actually kind of low, and her STR is high but not as high as Laura. Her S-Craft is ridiculous, but that's about it.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

Really Pants posted:

Probably not, but hang on to your crappy starting weapons so you can build up bravery points without insta-killing everything in the early chapters.

i was thinking of using that one boss in Chapter 6, I think? The Archaism boss in the Roer factory. The big stone golems in the final dungeon would work too but they are way more dangerous

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Levantine posted:

i was thinking of using that one boss in Chapter 6, I think?

He's good for building up lots of impedes, but I don't know how many rushes and bursts you could sponge off of him before he drops.

Endorph posted:

also, question about late-joining party member


What is Millium even supposed to do? She's sort of set up like a tank, but her HP is actually kind of low, and her STR is high but not as high as Laura. Her S-Craft is ridiculous, but that's about it.


I've heard that she's good for dodge-tanking because of her extra reach. I mostly just use her for things that are weak to Strike, or bosses with lots of adds.

Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jan 21, 2016

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

Really Pants posted:

He's good for building up lots of impedes, but I don't know how many rushes and bursts you could sponge off of him before he drops.


I've heard that she's good for dodge-tanking because of her extra reach. I mostly just use her for things that are weak to Strike, or bosses with lots of adds.

I only need like 5 more bursts and 30 more rushes so we'll see. I need to finish the art cancel trophy too but it should be cake there.

That spoilered character seemed good to me because one of her crafts causes Faint with a high %, and another causes offense down. She has yet another that makes her invulnerable so she becomes a pretty reliable counter tank. I just kept her STR really high and she always performed for me.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

The heck?

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

it is from criminally-unrepresented-in-the-op falcom srpg game vantage master online

lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

and what about lord monarch

Slur
Mar 6, 2013

It's the Final Countdown.

The Colonel posted:

it is from criminally-unrepresented-in-the-op falcom srpg game vantage master online

They predicted I'd be a fan. And a loser.

Yakiniku Teishoku
Mar 16, 2011

Peace On Egg

Supremezero posted:

XSEED sales on Humble Bundle. Huzzah.

*pretends there's a single person in this thread that realistically doesn't already have all of these games*

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/search/publisher/XSEED

Thanks, I was missing Napishtim!

Cirina
Feb 15, 2013

Operation complete.

The Colonel posted:

it is from criminally-unrepresented-in-the-op falcom srpg game vantage master online

I've never heard of this game before, can you tell us more about it?

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

Eopia posted:

I've never heard of this game before, can you tell us more about it?

as the page on falcom's site for the english translated version of the game puts it:

quote:

The most attractive point of Vantage Master is the element of simulation game. Vantage Master is basically a simulation RPG, but the cumbersome system of simulation RPG is reduced as much as possible.

The rule is very simple. To win the battle, all you have to do is reduce the enemy's HP to 0. You summon the spirit called NATIAL, which is divided into 4 attribute, earth, water, fire, and heaven. You always have to remember that 4 attributes are supirior and inferior to one another. Winning the battle requires lots of thinking....get ready for intellectual simulation!

or put in words that make sense, it's a strategy rpg where you create a dude through a morrowind-style questionnaire and then you fight other dudes and you and the enemy dude can summon elemental spirits, and falcom has had an official english release available since 2002, for free, and it still works perfectly on modern computers

Death Priest
Jun 24, 2004
Finished Cold Steel yesterday.

I got roughly 50% of my guesses right, which is actually above average for me so I'm going to credit my successes to paying attention during this game and the trails in the sky chapters. Spoilers for the whole game follow.

I deduced that Sara was a Bracer and Sharon was an Enforcer right away. The game starts dropping hints pretty early on but, especially for Sharon, it would be hard to guess without knowing about the society beforehand and Cold Steel gives you very little to work with in that regard.

I expected Millium to be the traitor, as I am still going with Olivier's assumption in SC that Osbourne is a bad guy. In hindsight, I feel pretty silly that I didn't interpret the hints correctly during chapter 6. I remember thinking that Crow would have to be pretty exceptional to escort the miners on his own and survive a cave-in. When I learned that Crow had gone to Heimdallr, I just assumed he was going to appear at the chancellor's side during the speech and possibly be revealed as an Enforcer. Yes, we know that Ouroboros is collaborating with the ILF but I thought Osbourne was in on it too and just using them to further his own goals. The C thing only clicked when Millium said that Crow had won this round. It wasn't all bad though, it allowed me to be shocked alongside class VII.

My hypothesis about Rean having a secret demonic side seems to have been off but not as much as it could have been. I'm assuming Loa Erebonius was that power manifested and that didn't look like a benevolent entity, although it could be a neutral one.

I was a little disappointed with how little everyone's favorite phantom thief apparently did in this game but I was glad to learn that he's still active. I guess at least he did drop the hint about Sara being a bracer pretty early on and he also told us that Clotilde is an Anguis, which probably didn't make much of an impression on anyone who hasn't played TitS.

I ended up liking most of the protagonists. The big exceptions for me were Emma, for reasons that would need spoilering, Machias, who never really recovered from his first impression and Millium.

So I guess I'll be waiting for CS2 now. Thankfully we shouldn't have to wait that long.

Death Priest fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jan 23, 2016

Erpy
Jan 30, 2015
(insert title here)
Regarding Loa Erebonius, I kind of assumed it was an Erebonian guardian spirit or something.

For those of you who were unaware; Loa is actually a word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loa

mateo360
Mar 20, 2012

TOO MANY PEOPLE MERLOCK!
ONLY ONE DIJON!
So I am playing through the Ys series I have play 1,2 Origin and Memories of Celceta. I'm about to do Oath in Felghana but I've noticed that the PSP version actually has more features then the Steam port. So I want to ask, would it be worth it to rebuy Oath on PSN if I already own it on Steam?

Erpy
Jan 30, 2015
(insert title here)
It might be if voice acting is important to you or if you want boss battles to have the ability to heal yourself mid-battle.

Slur
Mar 6, 2013

It's the Final Countdown.

Erpy posted:

It might be if voice acting is important to you or if you want boss battles to have the ability to heal yourself mid-battle.

The healing trivializes the game.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

i think there'd be a potential argument about the pros and cons of the two Oath versions if you hadn't already bought the PC one, but there is nothing about the PSP version of Oath nearly so compelling that you should buy it when you already have the steam version.

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

Cake Attack posted:

i think there'd be a potential argument about the pros and cons of the two Oath versions if you hadn't already bought the PC one, but there is nothing about the PSP version of Oath nearly so compelling that you should buy it when you already have the steam version.

There's one thing compelling about it.

Giving XSEED more money.

lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

wow bracer notebook page for Hot Springs Restoration is all messed up, gets updated out of order or something. Ran all the way back to Ruan before I was supposed to :qq:

SC Bracer
Aug 7, 2012

DEMAGLIO!
One exciting bug in FC I found is that my camera starts spinning if I accidentally use touch gestures on my trackpad.

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

Man i got around to trying that speedhack Cake Attack posted about a few moths back. It's so good. It doesn't gently caress with the music or the voice clips so there's like no downsides to it.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Zaggitz posted:

Man i got around to trying that speedhack Cake Attack posted about a few moths back. It's so good. It doesn't gently caress with the music or the voice clips so there's like no downsides to it.

For FC, right? Wouldn't mind a link to that.

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

Lemon Curdistan posted:

For FC, right? Wouldn't mind a link to that.

Works for both FC and SC, here you go.

Cake Attack posted:

as requested, here is how to get 2x (or any x, yx if you will) battle speeds.

1. Download/install Cheat Engine
2. In Cheat Engine, go Edit > Setting > Hotkeys
3. Pick speedhack speed 1. Set the speed to 1.00 and choose a hotkey. This is the key to return to regular speed.
4. Pick speedhack speed 2. Set the speed to whatever you want (I think 2x works well). This is how you fastforward.
5. Open the game. In the main cheat engine window, hit the little search computer icon in the top left, and find SC in the list.
6. Check Enable Speedhack. You'll need to do steps 5/6 everytime you start the game.

If you're playing mouse and keyboard, you're done. If not, it becomes vaguely more complicated. I'm not sure if it's possible to bind the hotkeys directly as gamepad inputs, personally I just used xpadder to map the chosen hotkeys to LT and RT.


Edit: I finished Red Moon's Rose, it was a bit overlong and way too wordy compared to the other books, but overall I enjoyed it. I'm having to trouble seeing what kind of lore we can even draw from it though, unless it expects us to take at face value that vampires are real.

Zaggitz fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Jan 24, 2016

Manyorcas
Jun 16, 2007

The person who arrives last is fined, regardless of whether that person's late or not.
I've spent the last ~2 1/2 months playing through the entirety of Trails in the Sky FC and SC, and then spent most of today reading this thread to learn more about the series and read others reactions to it.

Both game's endings left me emotionally gripped in the palm of their hands through 3 AM, and I can safely say I'm going to have that nice "Good game" feel for a good long while now thinking about them.

I think the FC ending > SC beginning transition was especially engaging. During the flight back to Rolent before the prologue even began, I felt a very deep level of sympathy for Estelle. When Kevin started hitting on her, my only thought was "IT'S A GOOD THING YOU BELIEVE IN ANGELS, FATHER, BECAUSE ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO TEACH YOU HOW TO FLY RIGHT OFF THE SIDE OF THIS SHIP BECAUSE NOW IS NOT. THE. loving. TIME." Kevin still grew on me as a character but I still rarely used him partially from that first impression, but moreso from the attachment I had for the characters from FC still.

Trails FC and SC are going to be games I look forward to introducing to others, it's just such a drat shame a 100 hour+ JRPG is a hard sell in this post steam backlog world. Sadly I don't have any Sony consoles for Cold Steel yet.

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

You can get PSTVs for dirt cheap if you are okay getting the vita version of cold steel.

Manyorcas
Jun 16, 2007

The person who arrives last is fined, regardless of whether that person's late or not.

Zaggitz posted:

You can get PSTVs for dirt cheap if you are okay getting the vita version of cold steel.

Yeah, I looked into that, but the PSTV + memory + controller still came in pretty pricey. If I find other vita/psp games I really want to play I'll consider it, but for now I'll at least hold off until the sequel is released. For now I'll just grab the soundtrack(s) to show more support.

I was kind of surprised PS3s aren't super cheap yet, I wonder if their prices on those will drop much more as everyone moves on to the next gen.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Zaggitz posted:

Works for both FC and SC, here you go.

Awesome, thanks. It'll make the random encounters in FC a lot less painful.

SC Bracer
Aug 7, 2012

DEMAGLIO!
Does anyone know how to actually complete the Penguin de Samba achievement? I've got it to 6 having beaten up every penguin in the limestone caves.

e: never mind it ticked up to 9 about 20 minutes after the last time I checked, so I guess I can't finish it until chapter 8.

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

Manyorcas posted:

Yeah, I looked into that, but the PSTV + memory + controller still came in pretty pricey. If I find other vita/psp games I really want to play I'll consider it, but for now I'll at least hold off until the sequel is released. For now I'll just grab the soundtrack(s) to show more support.

I was kind of surprised PS3s aren't super cheap yet, I wonder if their prices on those will drop much more as everyone moves on to the next gen.

If I remember right, the PSTV has a bit of internal memory, so unless you plan on downloading your games, it should be enough.

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lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

dang I was pretty comfortable with tits 3rd never getting translated right up until I got to the end of sc

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