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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Lutha Mahtin posted:

is this the name for the thing like in python where if you make a call with one of the optional parameters, you have to label it.

no, it's the thing where the value 0 and "nothing" are no longer conflated

the standard library has

code:

enum<T> Optional {
   case None
   case Some(T)
}

and there's syntactic shorthand for it like

code:

func divide(numerator: Int, by denominator: Int) -> Int? {
    guard denominator != 0 else {
       return nil
    }
    return numerator / denominator
}

the Int? return type is shorthand for Optional<Int> and nil is shorthand for .None

to unwrap an optional you assign it in an if let construct where the variable is valid in the body which is only executed if the value is non-nil (or use guard let which doesn't require nesting scope), or you can force-unwrap it with ! but your program will abort if the value is actually nil

this means that you're forced to be clear in your code everywhere you could actually wind up propagating a "nothing" rather than just silently and obscurely failing

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

vodkat posted:

just out of curiosity whats the yospinion on swift?

its crap for idiots same as objc.

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

apple didn't want to use java or c# cause nih.

# ? Jan 21, 2016 23:18

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

Python code:

class Infix:
	def __init__(self, f):
		self.f = f
	def __ror__(self, l):
		class Partial:
			def __init__(self, l, f):
				self.l = l
				self.f = f
			def __or__(self, r):
				return self.f(self.l, r)
		return Partial(l, self.f)

max = Infix(lambda x, y: x if x >= y else y)

print(23 |max| 766 |max| 55) # 766

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

python is so gross

# ? Jan 21, 2016 23:31

Asymmetrikon: Oct 30, 2009; I believe you're a big dork!

Pycharm freaks if you do the infix poo poo because of pep 8

gently caress you too, python

# ? Jan 21, 2016 23:36

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

lol i'm getting flamed on our internal mailing list for asserting that email is a bad medium for discussions taking place between many individuals

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FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

yo tef where is that list what a library says vs what it means and is "high-performance" on it.

# ? Jan 22, 2016 00:41

FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

if not it should mean "handles our problem"

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

lol i'm getting flamed on our internal mailing list for asserting that email is a bad medium for discussions taking place between many individuals

mailing lists are absolutely retarded which makes them perfect for Linux.

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

"ask the mailing list" is the absolute worst response for requests for help. atleast create yourself a stack overflow or a forums.

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JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

years of arguing here and elsewhere on the internet has left my email persona unfit for general discussion

# ? Jan 22, 2016 00:51

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

lol i'm getting flamed on our internal mailing list for asserting that email is a bad medium for discussions taking place between many individuals

lol

# ? Jan 22, 2016 00:57

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

i always wanted to overload an operator in python to do one thing 99% of the time but 1% of the time it does something else. that would be a fun bug to track down

# ? Jan 22, 2016 01:19

Ragg: Apr 27, 2003; <The Honorable Badgers>

Shaggar posted:

mailing lists are absolutely retarded which makes them perfect for Linux.

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0908.3/01481.html

Dev 1: Personally, I care about metadata consistency, and ext3 documentation suggests that journal protects its integrity. Except that it does not on broken storage devices, and you stil need to run fsck there.
Dev 2: as the ext3 authors have stated many times over the years, you still need to run fsck periodicly anyway.
Dev 1: Where is that documented?
Dev 2: linux-kernel mailing list archives.
Dev 3: Probably from some 6-8 years ago, in e-mail postings that I made.

# ? Jan 22, 2016 02:01

Ragg: Apr 27, 2003; <The Honorable Badgers>

Thanks Dan Luu.

# ? Jan 22, 2016 02:02

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Blinkz0rz posted:

why the gently caress wouldn't you just use max(a, b) and a + b instead of trying to be clever

your compiler doesn't give a gently caress, you write code for developers to understand

the only place it gets used us in things like "loop over all the things on a container and score a function on them and what's the worst" which I found myself doing a ton of

so that's the max part and I think I put the sum part in for some drat fool reason I can't remember right now

# ? Jan 22, 2016 04:04

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

swift is basically the best language right now and my only regret is that it is realistically confined to iOS development for the time being

it has learned from the mistakes of language designers in the 90s and early 2000s and made important improvements that are only possible by creating a new language from scratch.

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DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

why isn't it good for osx?

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triple sulk: Sep 17, 2014

actually, c# is the best language

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DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

swift is really good from the playing around i've done.

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

triple sulk posted:

actually, c# is the best language

i literally cannot quote this enough even if the loving value types are hosed up garbage and the boxed value types are still also hosed up garbage

# ? Jan 22, 2016 04:47

Baxate: Feb 1, 2011

truly incredible that it took nearly 40 years for a language, swift, to be as good as C

# ? Jan 22, 2016 05:26

kitten emergency: Jan 13, 2008; get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

c# would be better if it was more universal

I hope swift eats golangs lunch eventually tho because that's a real dumpster fire

# ? Jan 22, 2016 05:39

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

uncurable mlady posted:

c# would be better if it was more universal

I hope swift eats golangs lunch eventually tho because that's a real dumpster fire

its gettin there

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Asymmetrikon: Oct 30, 2009; I believe you're a big dork!

golang does have gofmt, so that's cool, and channels are kind of neat i guess? still wouldn't want to write in it though

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

go is really really really bad

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Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

fleshweasel posted:

swift is basically the best language right now and my only regret is that it is realistically confined to iOS development for the time being

there are a lot of cool things in swift but i would honestly trust microsoft more to run a free programming language project in which "community" stakeholders are ever even listened to. not that apple is evil, they just seem to have a very lazy and self serving approach to a lot of the open source projects that power their poo poo, only putting in the bare minimum of effort to ensure needed features and an advantageous development plan

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FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

paging rjmccall

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Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

why isn't it good for osx?

no one outside of apple writes osx-only software other than artisinal toys and ios dev tools

# ? Jan 22, 2016 06:12

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Asymmetrikon posted:

golang does have gofmt, so that's cool, and channels are kind of neat i guess? still wouldn't want to write in it though

lol. gofmt is a basic editor feature except its really specific to how the bad developers of go want their bad language to look like.

# ? Jan 22, 2016 06:14

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Plorkyeran posted:

no one outside of apple writes osx-only software other than artisinal toys and ios dev tools

ok that was my guess

how long until swift is good enough on linux that i can write dumb personal shell tools and stuff with it

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Linux guy: "hey, today I used mailing lists and got excited about writing more shell commands. This is definitely the best way to do things!"

# ? Jan 22, 2016 06:15

Chamook: Nov 17, 2006; wheeeeeeeeeeeeee

triple sulk posted:

actually, f# is the best language

# ? Jan 22, 2016 07:30

Jeffrey of YOSPOS: Dec 22, 2005; GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

If you're not gonna use a functional language, at least use C so you are categorically prevented from working with those OO idiots. Namaste.

# ? Jan 22, 2016 07:34

Asymmetrikon: Oct 30, 2009; I believe you're a big dork!

Chamook posted:

triple sulk posted:
actually, f# is the best language

# ? Jan 22, 2016 07:37

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Shaggar posted:

Linux guy: "hey, today I used mailing lists and got excited about writing more shell commands. This is definitely the best way to do things!"

i'm not a linux guy i'm polyamourOS

# ? Jan 22, 2016 08:05

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

why isn't it good for osx?

it's good for OS X it's just people these days tend to do web or thinly veiled web wrappers on the desktop and native on mobile for their chickenshit apps. see slack, trello, etc

# ? Jan 22, 2016 09:29

Vanadium: Jan 8, 2005

Delphi update: Delphi 2010 is actually quite nice because it's got generics and anonymous functions, so you can almost write real code in it instead of just prodding the GUI or the DB

having a seemingly random selection of windows api functions actually declared while stuff like the "pls return the size of this file" function is missing is still confusing me though

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fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

elm has elm-format

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