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blue squares posted:I just realized that we didn't discuss reparations in this thread yet. This is a massive oversight. If someone told you that one of the Republican candidates came out in support of reparations, who would you suspect? Who would you least suspect? least: rand paul most: not applicable
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So Yooge so tremendous will be Trumps figuring out what the hell is going on just forget about it
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Montasque posted:The "free stuff" is the difference here. Trump is a real Fascist since he believes in big government helping the workers(white people) they are angry that he will legitimize public spending that helps a multiethnic democracy before the Civil Rights Act conservatives still supported the New Deal consensus because they could justify giving aid to white people as the black vote was suppressed but after welfare became synonymous with helping lazy minorities so we have to betray the US government and destroy it by driving it toward excessive national debt and insolvency Trump wants to turn on the faucet again but this time accepting that black people and minorities can also benefit and that's communism conservatives belong in the trash
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Rocks posted:This is my favorite. All that effort put into multiple columns, by multiple "respected journalists", and it's waved away by a photoshop of their cover. These guys can't hang with the modernity and deserve to be thrown into the tar pits of history. Tomorrow belongs to meme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co Montasque fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Montasque posted:These guys can't hang with the modernity and deserve to be thrown into the tar pits of history. Not sure I like this ghost of Christmas future. Can we get a reboot?
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blue squares posted:I just realized that we didn't discuss reparations in this thread yet. This is a massive oversight. If someone told you that one of the Republican candidates came out in support of reparations, who would you suspect? Who would you least suspect? It would be Ben Carson, not understanding what reparations are or why he should oppose them.
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Top City Homo posted:they are angry that he will legitimize public spending that helps a multiethnic democracy 
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blue squares posted:I just realized that we didn't discuss reparations in this thread yet. This is a massive oversight. If someone told you that one of the Republican candidates came out in support of reparations, who would you suspect? Who would you least suspect? Least: Ben Carson, because reparations would actually further hurt the black community and *trails off* Most: Jeb!, as an "act of love" for the fine black folks who darnit aren't getting a fair shake and it's time we show some compassion-*even black people flip channel*
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Top City Homo posted:they are angry that he will legitimize public spending that helps a multiethnic democracy
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Nessus posted:I love America so much that I will immediately maim, cripple and destroy it the moment it is daring to not be in my exclusive service or interest If Donald Trump as president is all it takes to maim, cripple and destroy America it's about time we go back to the drawing board anyway
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If you read his tax plan he basically wants to gamble with everything just like he has with real estate. He wants to lower corporate tax rates so much that they somehow will want to bring all their business back to America. Also he is going to give them a tax break on bringing money back in yuge flood at the beginning. It doesn't really factor in the cost of labor and manufacturing and facilities etc. Which I guess is why he doesn't want to raise minimum wage so they can slave away at making iPhones in the US instead of China. Also his whole page on China is a joke. Also ending the "death tax" too so more rich people can hoard their wealth.
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blue squares posted:Relax man. There is only one person who actually wants Trump to president. Two if you don't believe user a cop is trolling. The republican primary is the greatest reality show in the world. We're all just here for the entertainment. Hey! Everything I've said about trump has been in earnest. I might not think he's the best for our country, but he's an incredible man, and will likely be the GOP nominee.
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a cop posted:Hey! Everything I've said about trump has been in earnest. I might not think he's the best for our country, but he's an incredible man, and will likely be the GOP nominee. a cop WOULD say that...
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I missed this convo. before, but the reason I think the trump supporters itt have been bugging joementum/others, is because they have been so dismissive of someone who is clearly the frontrunner. The mistake of these guys (and nate silver) is failing to distinguish between a model of reality, and reality. All the pundits are running on a model of party support -> political support. Therefore, polls don't matter, he doesn't have the machine locked up, he can't win. But that is under the assumption that those things matter more than polls. And this is the part where you have to come to an important realization. The basis of politics isn't endorsements, getting the right rich guys, or having the right face or whatever. It's manpower, the ability to summon supporters to do what you want. Party support would, in any other election, serve as the predictor of manpower, and therefore the best political candidate. But part of being a good scientist is recognizing when your model breaks down, because its assumptions have been overturned - this is one such case. PACs are doing nothing, the support of internet twitter idiots has literally been more useful than any single ad so far. Party support is no longer predictive of being able to garner supporters. For that reason, polls are actually a lot more important. rudatron fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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rudatron posted:I missed this convo. before, but the reason I think the trump supporters itt have been bugging joementum/others, is because they have been so dismissive of someone who is clearly the frontrunner. The mistake of these guys (and nate silver) is failing to distinguish between a model of reality, and reality. All the pundits are running on a model of party support -> political support. Therefore, polls don't matter, he doesn't have the machine locked up, he can't win. But that is under the assumption that those things matter more than polls. And this is the part where you have to come to an important realization. And the reason most of the older people who have paid attention to politics keep laughing this poo poo off is because more than once a big fluffed up campaign online has fallen on its face when it came time to vote. We have another week before we see the first results of that, not that the winner of Iowa translates to being the nominee anyways.
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Zas posted:least: rand paul Fiorina would give Rand a run for his money on this imo. Though you're right it's all various degrees of hell no
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rudatron posted:I missed this convo. before, but the reason I think the trump supporters itt have been bugging joementum/others, is because they have been so dismissive of someone who is clearly the frontrunner. The mistake of these guys (and nate silver) is failing to distinguish between a model of reality, and reality. All the pundits are running on a model of party support -> political support. Therefore, polls don't matter, he doesn't have the machine locked up, he can't win. But that is under the assumption that those things matter more than polls. And this is the part where you have to come to an important realization. So lets say trump wins, lets say Ameica wins because of trump what then? The US further entrenches its economic and military reach and 'restores' meritocracy in America. America would be on top, on top of a steaming pile of poo poo that it itself built with garbage policies and adminstrative goals. That's my problem, not his effectiveness. quote:The basis of politics isn't endorsements, getting the right rich guys, or having the right face or whatever. It's manpower, the ability to summon supporters to do what you want. Party support would, in any other election, serve as the predictor of manpower, and therefore the best political candidate. But part of being a good scientist is recognizing when your model breaks down, because its assumptions have been overturned - this is one such case. PACs are doing nothing, the support of internet twitter idiots has literally been more useful than any single ad so far. Party support is no longer predictive of being able to garner supporters. For that reason, polls are actually a lot more important. But this, this good sir is quite a good point. BaurusJA fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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The whole nature of polling itself sways opinion and winning states does as well. The so called mainstream media matters less as time goes on because less people pay attention or trust it at this point. I don't think you can compare it to past history when the entire method of communication is changing. Maybe to back when TV was first coming into play and debates were first televised. Still it's totally different as its not simply broadcast media anymore with a captive audience. Information flows way faster. Man I need to sleep I am rambling and no idea if it makes sense.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Fiorina would give Rand a run for his money on this imo. Though you're right it's all various degrees of hell no yeah I mean the question is basically 'who do you think would have a major psychological break' and now that I think about it rand actually isn't a bad answer for that, what with his obvious issues with his father and his clear rejection by the gop. but he's still got his senate campaign to keep him focused and on the ball.
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BaurusJA posted:So lets say trump wins, lets say Ameica wins because of trump what then? The US further entrenches its economic and military reach and 'restores' meritocracy in America. America would be on top, on top of a steaming pile of poo poo that it itself built with garbage policies and adminstrative goals. If you don't think America getting richer at perhaps even disproportionate expense of other countries is a good thing, you're safe from ever "getting" Trump, no matter how centrist he tacks. That's essentially what nationalism is.
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Betting market report: Trump sets another new record for himself, Cruz drops like a rock all the way back to mid-November nobody gives a poo poo levels, Rubio declining steadily. Edit: Interestingly, Trump's market chance is now roughly the same as his polling support. Jewel Repetition fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Jewel Repetition posted:Edit: Interestingly, Trump's market chance is now roughly the same as his polling support. That's a first. So the average bettor now thinks Trump's for real, essentially.
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Oiled and Ready posted:If you don't think America getting richer at perhaps even disproportionate expense of other countries is a good thing, you're safe from ever "getting" Trump, no matter how centrist he tacks. That's essentially what nationalism is. For that I am glad and, for the most part, agree with your take. One caveat, nationalism is just nationalism without levers of power being and fractuous identity politics added to the equation. Having founding or unified historiography a belief in a somewhat common-ish set of values can amd is deployed in useful configurations. Nationalism is dangerous, but not inherently evil. On a separate note, rhe diproportion of which we both speak is not just international.
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Oiled and Ready posted:That's a first. So the average bettor now thinks Trump's for real, essentially. First q sexond, so qvweadw bettiir now tinks real and essebtciali. Trump??!!]] Its all cool n good.
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every Republican frontrunner is always the worst ever, every Democrat frontrunner is always the worst ever to the other team, but I don't feel that way about Trump
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TRUMP! *slams down ancient phone receiver so hard that it shatters*
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BaurusJA posted:To be honest, the thing you can best do to support the communist cause would be to vote trump. The revolution only reaches its ineveitable fruition after the bourgeoise takes capitalism to its furthest logical conclusion: what Hardt and Negre call Empire and what other IR scholars call global liberal governance. Plus, it's kinda easy to sell full communism when there is quite literally a fascist in power. Communist, Are you serious? Besides, he's not a fascist. As of yet, genuine Fascism hasn't been revived. Trump is looking to become more what we might describe as Soft Fascism, and that's pretty much just jumping the gun on where we're heading already, and pretty much what my fav cyberpunk writers were talking about 30 years ago, minus the fun bits so far. As global warming proceeds we are going to inevitably become more autocratic in response to crises that will be too real to let our confederacy-of-dunces Republican congress jerk off with it anymore. That will be true whether it's a R or D in the white house. And I might as well admit, I'm one of the people that has never believed Donald should be taken seriously. I think he's pretty lowbrow, but you can't naturally equate low class with downright dumb. He's worked with what he's had at hand and prospered. Of course, he probably could have done as well by putting all that cash into GI Joe doll factories, but who knows. As a general matter I'm opposed to gambling and can't believe we're seriously discussing having a casino owner for president, but what do I know. And I'm still thinking there's an outside chance of a Bush candidacy. I'm seeing Trump as Crassus or Pompey, Cruz as Caligula, Obama as Caesar of course, and Beebs as Herod, racistly enough. Ah who am I kidding. We're gonna have President Trump, aren't we. And we're never gonna get out of the forever war in the Middle East until we annex a few ME states. Long live Republic of Gilead, Deus Vult, gently caress it. One thing about branding. The Democrat party should have adopted a different mascot already. We need to get rid of the donkey, which is actually 19th Century dogwhistle for Irish and working-class, and adopt something different. My suggestion, esp. given Hillary's and Barak's tenacious natures, would be the bulldog. I've always wanted to put that out there, somewhere. The Democratic party could use a makeover. SnakePlissken fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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RNC has kicked out National Review from next debate http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56a1b529e4b0d8cc10999580
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:RNC has kicked out National Review from next debate Deus Vult motherfucker!
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Nien posted:First q sexond, so qvweadw bettiir now tinks real and essebtciali. Trump??!!]] I thought i was the biggest drunkard to regularly frequent this thread. I was very, very wrong. New thread title? 2016 Republican Primary: tinks real and essebtciali. Trump??!!]]
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So heres the National Review article by all the smart conservatives going after Trump. Let's read along:quote:As the election of 2008 approached, America was in crisis. And as we would soon learn, that crisis would not go to waste. Years after Bill Clinton disingenuously claimed that the era of big government was over, Obama won his party’s nomination by promising its furious revenge. For constitutional conservatives, the Republican contest functioned less like a primary and more like an abandonment. Politically orphaned by their party, conservatives were forced to either stay home or hold their noses and vote for a progressive Republican. The poor little cock sucking bastards were lost in the wilderness and forced to vote for McCain; oh the horror. quote:There was a silver lining, however. Rising out of the ashes of that electoral defeat came the Tea Party. It wasn't those greedy motherfuckers on Wall Street that almost burned the world down that gave rise to the Tea Baggers, it was what the U.S. Govt. did to bail those sorry motherfuckers out. quote:While conservatives fought against the stimulus, Donald Trump said it was “what we need,” praising Obama’s schemes of “building infrastructure, building great projects, putting people to work in that sense.” While conservatives fought against the auto bailouts, Donald Trump claimed “the government should stand behind [the auto companies] 100 percent” because “they make wonderful products.” While conservatives fought against the bank bailouts, Donald Trump called them “something that has to get done.” Let his reasoning sink in for a second: “[The government] can take over companies, and, frankly, take big chunks of companies.” Oh no, it was really Trump that did it all; the horror, the horror. At this point, they have quoted Glenn Beck twice in this article.
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Peachstapler posted:National Review has been "disinvited" from sponsoring the CNN debate by the RNC over tonight's anti-Trump propaganda. yes i like this
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Jeb: *looks around to make sure the coast is clear* *right clicks, "Open in Incognito Window"*
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More:quote:He’s effectively vowing to be an American Mussolini, concentrating power in the Trump White House and governing by fiat. It’s a vision to make the last 16 years of executive abuse of power seem modest. Without even getting into his past support for a massive wealth tax and single-payer health care, his know-nothing protectionism, or his passionate defense of eminent domain, I think we can say that this is a Republican campaign that would have appalled Buckley, Goldwater, and Reagan. Nothing said there is going to dissuade Trump's supporters. quote:A real conservative walks with us. Ronald Reagan read National Review and Human Events for intellectual sustenance; spoke annually to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Young Americans for Freedom, and other organizations to rally the troops; supported Barry Goldwater when the GOP mainstream turned its back on him; raised money for countless conservative groups; wrote hundreds of op-eds; and delivered even more speeches, everywhere championing our cause. Until he decided to run for the GOP nomination a few months ago, Trump had done none of these things, perhaps because he was too distracted publicly raising money for liberals such as the Clintons; championing Planned Parenthood, tax increases, and single-payer health coverage; and demonstrating his allegiance to the Democratic party. We conservatives should support the one candidate who walks with us. That's right, Trump refused to kiss our rear end and our rings and so gently caress him. He should know who his betters are and kowtow to us. radical meme fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Nien posted:First q sexond, so qvweadw bettiir now tinks real and essebtciali. Trump??!!]] English motherfucker, do you speak it?
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Ivor Biggun posted:English motherfucker, do you speak it? Looks like the joose is loose.
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Sorry, can't do it any more. Just read it and laugh your rear end off at how pathetic the conservative movement is and how insignificant their arguments are to those in the GOP base that support Trump. These fuckers are clueless. It's 7:00 a.m. in Texas and Donald Trump is the King of the loving Republicans.
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