JcDent posted:Maus is becoming a trigger word for me. Why play Germans in War Thunder if that blocky fuckbucket of a child's drawing is you ultimate reward? It's an ugly, horrible piece of poo poo that should only be remembered in in poo poo You Don't Do To Win A War The Maus is a ugly piece of poo poo. If your going to love a gigantic comedy what if tank, TOG2 all the way.
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JcDent posted:Maus is becoming a trigger word for me. Why play Germans in War Thunder if that blocky fuckbucket of a child's drawing is you ultimate reward? It's an ugly, horrible piece of poo poo that should only be remembered in in poo poo You Don't Do To Win A War Same reason why they started putting in fictional tanks like the WoT E-100 and WoT 105 mm Tiger II: wehraboos rub themselves raw to monuments of mediocrity.
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Jan 22, 2016 17:35
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SeanBeansShako posted:Hell, there was quite a large Pacifism movement that sprung up and hung around for most of the fifties as well wasn't there? Yeah, largely sustained by soldiers returning home. I think the pro-Attlee movement is probably a little overstated, largely because historians don't tend to like acknowledging the anti-Winston "Labour will bring in 'some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance.'" Churchill movement. It's an interesting pile-up of coincidences: Churchill's coalition government acting to keep Labour in line, giving concessions to social projects and re-legitimising Labour as a governing body The Beveridge Report aimed at ostensibly "improving the coordination of the war effort" but actually aimed at proving the legitimate need for social(ist) reform was well read and posited as a "why we fight". So Churchill's election platform of "gently caress social reform, let's go back to the glory days of the 20s" was unpopular, especially as in 1943 he'd asked the country to rally round the war again so that they could build a better, socialist-style world. Attlee, Bevan, Bevin and even Morrison (a First world war Conscientious Objector, in addition to being widely decried as a terrible human being) being popular and effective and managing to appeal to a much wider section of society than, say, MacDonald's government. The desire for everyone to build a better country after the war that didn't repeat the disasters of the post-ww1 liberal and tory fuckups, which were painfully well remembered. The democratising effect of national service actually occurred (as much as this goes against my "conscription is universally lovely" platform) in the Second war compared to the First, which definitely had the effect of politically educating a section of the population that would have had no particular interest in politics and also exposed apolitical soldiers to crazy incredibly politically motivated soldiers.
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Jan 22, 2016 17:35
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It is kind of bizarre how much that tank game has permeated legitimate internet history dicussions. The hell is with that? Also it'd be awesome if someone introduced an accurately modeled Abrams into said game.
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Jan 22, 2016 17:38
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SeanBeansShako posted:The Maus is a ugly piece of poo poo. Seriously. The Panther and Tiger at least manage to looks somewhat imposing and tank-y. The Maus on the other hand is really just a steel box with a smaller box on top of it. It's the kind of thing a grade-schooler scribbles when trying to draw a tank, except without any rad lasers or rockets.
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Jan 22, 2016 17:41
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bewbies posted:It is kind of bizarre how much that tank game has permeated legitimate internet history dicussions. The hell is with that? Well, Obsidian is doing a tank MMO game like that based on more modern tanks from the seventies to today. lenoon posted:The Beveridge Report aimed at ostensibly "improving the coordination of the war effort" but actually aimed at proving the legitimate need for social(ist) reform was well read and posited as a "why we fight". So Churchill's election platform of "gently caress social reform, let's go back to the glory days of the 20s" I shuddered a moment thinking about Churchill winning on that promise. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Jan 22, 2016 17:42
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bewbies posted:It is kind of bizarre how much that tank game has permeated legitimate internet history dicussions. The hell is with that? A lot of people learned about WWII from video games, but WoT is probably more popular than any that came before. Plus the forums are a cesspool of wehraboos and proto-fascists that used to restrict themselves to specialist forums and now got to mingle with the crowd that's there for pretty explosions and not the history. As for the Abrams, you want Armoured Warfare, a better, if less polished, game.
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Jan 22, 2016 17:43
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lenoon posted:Yeah that's bullshit. The effort the army went into giving it's men "why we fight" lectures throughout paid out in making the British army mid45-46 as politicised as it had been since.... christ... the Levellers? Fair enough. Burgess was a sergeant in the RAEC teaching the "British Way and Purpose" materials, so he was pretty well placed to judge the mood, but he also has a massive axe to grind, because the Army failed to recognise his genius.
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Jan 22, 2016 17:45
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Also Armoured Warfare trolled the WoT crowd hard by giving away a free Type-59 this Christmas.
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Jan 22, 2016 17:46
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Raenir Salazar posted:I remember on the Daily Show in modern Russia there's none with a Putin apparatchik celebrating the lack of women in comparison to Soviet times. The lower house parliament (State Duma) has 61 female delegates out of 450 (13%), while the upper house (Federation Council) has 29 female delegates out of 170 (17%). Not a lot, but a whole lot more than "none". (The US numbers are 19% and 20%, respectively)
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Jan 22, 2016 17:49
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SeanBeansShako posted:Hell, there was quite a large Pacifism movement that sprung up and hung around for most of the fifties as well wasn't there? I think in postwar Britain several things came together to make socialist ideas very popular: 1. Everybody remembered that pre-WW2 the great depression had eviscerated the economy, and everyone was extremely worried that the post-war Britain would be more of the same; 2. People had just lived through a time where co-ordinated action had done frankly amazing things, which I think energized lots of people who might have otherwise been politically apathetic; 3. Winston Churchill had done very little in the way of new policies for post-war Britain, and the policies that came up he was apathetic about. This kinda confirmed the fears of people at #1; 4. The war economy both in Britain and elsewhere had been much more of a command economy than people had experienced before. This made lots of people think "So lets use these methods in peace as well!" (This turned out to be a really awful, bad, not very good idea - though Britain did become a trend-setter with public health care.)
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Hogge Wild posted:. What I'm saying is that only the people who commit war crimes are war criminals, and only the people who support Nazism or Communism are Nazis or Communists. And you're wrong about that. Phone posting so I can't go into much detail but suffice it to say that both of those movements had tons of support from non party members in the population due to both being the only party in government = and thus intimately linked to the nation = and through what amounts to nationalistic welfare. Not everyone loved the Nazis but on a single party authoritarian state built on extreme nationalism you also can't say the only supporters were party members. A good book on the ways that the Nazis both developed a broad non=party base of support and made the general population complicit in s lot of their activities is Gitlers Beneficiaries by Gotz Aly. You're broadly right that not every German soldier was a war criminal and not every Getman was a Nazi but you are also massively downplaying the level at which Getman society in general were along for the ride. Edit to further nuance it you can also point out that not every party member was a true belieber. Lots of people joined for professional reasons. The Schindler example was already given but I've also worked with the papers of tons of teachers who signed on to keep their jobs. That doesn't diminish the fact that Nazism was a pretty broadly supported movement before the war. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Jan 22, 2016 17:56
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Nebakenezzer posted:4. The war economy both in Britain and elsewhere had been much more of a command economy than people had experienced before. This made lots of people think "So lets use these methods in peace as well!" (This turned out to be a really awful, bad, not very good idea - though Britain did become a trend-setter with public health care.) As a blanket statement this is pretty debatable - you mention the NHS, but I'd also argue the railways, the National Grid and coal mining at the very least were better off nationalised.
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Jan 22, 2016 17:59
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SeanBeansShako posted:Well, Obsidian is doing a tank MMO game like that based on more modern tanks from the seventies to today. Yeah, Armoured Warfare. It's pretty fun, but it has the same HP depletion system like World of Tanks. I end up preferring War Thunder if only for the use of component damage instead of just slinging shells non-stop until the last point of damage causes my enemy to explode.
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feedmegin posted:As a blanket statement this is pretty debatable - you mention the NHS, but I'd also argue the railways, the National Grid and coal mining at the very least were better off nationalised. Yeah, even as I wrote that I knew that it was too sweeping. The things that I actually think were really bad ideas where government attempts to control prices and decide what should be produced. Whatever their flaws, the Socialists managed to reform some things in bad need of reform. When going through late forties life, they had articles on the NHS coming in. "Coverage from womb to tomb" is a hilarious slogan, not sure if it was of official coinage.
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Jan 22, 2016 18:13
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Military History: Coverage From Womb to Boom
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Jan 22, 2016 18:17
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SeanBeansShako posted:The Maus is a ugly piece of poo poo. I've always had a thing for the T-28/T-95. Possibly the least subtle AFV the US Army ever built, but I've seen the one on display and think it has a weird sort of charm to it.
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Jan 22, 2016 18:21
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why does everyone here but me know a fuckload about tanks, jfc
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Cythereal posted:I've always had a thing for the T-28/T-95. Possibly the least subtle AFV the US Army ever built, but I've seen the one on display and think it has a weird sort of charm to it. The thing I love about that tank isn't that they designed it, or even that they built it, but that they somehow managed to lose it for like thirty years until it showed up in the middle of a goddamn field.
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HEY GAL posted:why does everyone here but me know a fuckload about tanks, jfc Not all of us can marry a pike.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The thing I love about that tank isn't that they designed it, or even that they built it, but that they somehow managed to lose it for like thirty years until it showed up in the middle of a goddamn field.
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HEY GAL posted:why does everyone here but me know a fuckload about tanks, jfc A lot of us know some. Tell us more about the care and feeding of a Tercio. Actually, why do they deploy in a checkerboard and are there any evolutions that are based on that?
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chitoryu12 posted:Yeah, Armoured Warfare. It's pretty fun, but it has the same HP depletion system like World of Tanks. I end up preferring War Thunder if only for the use of component damage instead of just slinging shells non-stop until the last point of damage causes my enemy to explode. It's funny really, we got a shitload of arena based WW2/Cold War vehicles out now thanks to that game but nothing infantry based. Well, except WW2Online. Yes. It's still going on.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The thing I love about that tank isn't that they designed it, or even that they built it, but that they somehow managed to lose it for like thirty years until it showed up in the middle of a goddamn field.
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xthetenth posted:A lot of us know some. Tell us more about the care and feeding of a Tercio.
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Arquinsiel posted:Experiment in camouflage wildly more successful than anticipated? Somebody knew WoT was going to happen and wanted it to have a kickass camo value. HEY GAL posted:do you mean the relationship of each escuadron to the next, or how the musketeers are often shown arranged in four smaller squares around the pikemen? because the first thing is so each can protect the other, but nobody really did it except for the imperialists at White Mountain as far as i know. The second thing is only one of the ways they deploy, they're trained to have the musketeers fan outward from the pike in various patterns, and then move back in among the pike if they need to be defended. I meant the relation between escuadrones(sp?), and if that's not really how they did it, what did they do? Also what are some other ways musketeers fanned out?
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SeanBeansShako posted:It's funny really, we got a shitload of arena based WW2/Cold War vehicles out now thanks to that game but nothing infantry based. I'd love a good combined arms game but WW2OL was such a slog and was full of arbitrary restriction bullshit. Acebuckeye13 posted:The thing I love about that tank isn't that they designed it, or even that they built it, but that they somehow managed to lose it for like thirty years until it showed up in the middle of a goddamn field. I want to know more about this story 
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Jan 22, 2016 18:58
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spectralent posted:I want to know more about this story That's pretty much the entire story. It was lost for like 30 years, and someone found it in a field on a base.
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Crossposting from D&D pictures thread:
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xthetenth posted:I meant the relation between escuadrones(sp?), and if that's not really how they did it, what did they do?  although, i guess you could describe that as a "checkerboard" The handwriting in this section is Wallenstein's but historians have identified Pappenheim's and Holk's hands on that sheet of paper as well, which means the three of them were passing the document around and writing on it (edit: this wasn't actually how lutzen went down because a bunch of people mentioned on this piece of paper weren't there yet at the time, but the imperial deployment was similar) sometimes, lined up on more or less the same line but still catty-corner, like the Imperialists at First Breitenfeld:  sometimes lined up on the same line, more or less straight--this is Second Breitenfeld, 1642; the war has now been going on for three generations:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Breitenfeld_(1642) Edit: Look at all that fukken cav, the hallmark of a late-war battle or a massively strong defensive position, like how the Spanish at Rocroi ended up forming a large hollow square quote:Also what are some other ways musketeers fanned out? 
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Jan 22, 2016 19:09
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SeanBeansShako posted:It's funny really, we got a shitload of arena based WW2/Cold War vehicles out now thanks to that game but nothing infantry based. What's the deal with WW2OL anyway? It seems like such a weirdly ambitious idea for an old-rear end MMO.
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my dad posted:Crossposting from D&D pictures thread: triumph of the wool
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Hogge Wild posted:triumph of the wool 
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Hogge Wild posted:triumph of the wool 
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HEY GAL posted:why does everyone here but me know a fuckload about tanks, jfc fwiw it's worth I know not that much about anything being discussed here but I'm way more interested in your posts than the treadhead stuff v  v
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Saint Celestine posted:That's pretty much the entire story. It was lost for like 30 years, and someone found it in a field on a base.
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SeanBeansShako posted:It's funny really, we got a shitload of arena based WW2/Cold War vehicles out now thanks to that game but nothing infantry based. Red Orchestra is a thing. Or at least was. It's funny how actual cooperation with other players made you invincible in that game. Shame that it was still 90% *pew pew pew* Call of Duty crowd.
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Red Orchestra is good but A: It's limited to a couple of types of vehicle which was a downside and B: It's definitely in the round-based shooter with some extras category.
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bewbies posted:Also it'd be awesome if someone introduced an accurately modeled Abrams into said game. At least in War Thunder you'd still have the chance to drop 1000+ pound bombs on an Abrams. Even without the armor, gun, and optics capabilities, the Abrams mobility alone would make it a beast.
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