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TheMightyHandful posted:Amethyst need not apply
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Quoth the simpleminded cretin "Nevermore"
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Jan 22, 2016 10:11
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Mithranderp posted:The "good" part of the whole thing is the literacy and numeracy requirements. The literacy and Numeracy requirements were added back last year, the new feature is the personality test which (again) seems to have built on the predication of an autistic university graduate being someone not a teacher (despite apparently being advised to do the course and then talked out of it). It's like the worms have already escaped the can.
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Jan 22, 2016 10:11
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Ok I have the moral outrage you're looking for amethyst. That speech is bad in my opinion. It is definitely a good sentiment he is making. He seems to be appealing to the idea that Australia can be the safe, welcoming end of the road for people in the world who are suffering. If Australia The Idea was binary, either we open to those who need it, or close the seas and open the camps, then it would be the good speech you're looking for. However, both of these positions accept Terra Nullius. A welcoming Australia or a rejecting Australia; both are White. I commend him on the welcome to country, but he follows on to thank the Australia Whitey Built. Australia Day celebrates White Australia, it's in the date, the name, everything. Just because he wants to change from within and make us think hey, maybe if we weren't so aggressively white and let some refugees in we could have something to celebrate doesn't mean the nations foundations are any less genocide-y. Sorry if you get all knee jerk and claim black arm band gone too far but there really is no reason to celebrate anything about Australia day, and hearing a speech by a house-refugee telling us how great we can be is a bit of a joke to be honest.
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Jan 22, 2016 10:14
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Jan 22, 2016 10:16
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asio posted:Ok I have the moral outrage you're looking for amethyst. That speech is bad in my opinion. good effort troll but a bit straightforward, missing the killer twist 7/10
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Jan 22, 2016 10:18
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IMO Rosie Batty did more harm than good and we should stop shaming men who use domestic violence as a coping strategy for their own problems
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Jan 22, 2016 10:19
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Solemn Sloth posted:IMO Rosie Batty did more harm than good and we should stop shaming men who use domestic violence as a coping strategy for their own problems Go home Mark Latham, you're drunk.
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Jan 22, 2016 10:19
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Birdstrike posted:good effort troll but a bit straightforward, missing the killer twist Thanks whitey, but not a troll
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Jan 22, 2016 10:24
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This ride is the loving worst and I want my money back.
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Jan 22, 2016 10:32
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starkebn posted:A degree just educates you, it's not the place of the university to do personality tests. If it's necessary then it's up to the education board once you want to work. I work at a country school so we have a lot of young teachers coming through doing their compulsory country placements; fairly often these are first time teachers. There's coaching that goes on; obviously everyone has already done their student placements before they get to do teaching for real but as well as that the school leadership on-site work out ways that they can help support new teachers and ease them into things. A full year of teaching is a lot different to a temporary placement; it's like any job, some slowly come to grips with it, some find that they can do the work fine but they hate every moment of it. A personality test isn't going to be able help find out any of this, young teachers won't know how it will go themselves until they are out there doing it. There are many "right" ways to be a teacher. However, we did have a new teacher come through a few years ago who was somewhere on the autism spectrum. There were a few... incidents. The only one I know the details of happened during some interschool parade event, this teacher decided to make the class goose-step instead of walking in the parade normally. The thing is, schools know that kids are going to have good years and bad years as they go through the system. It's not the end of the world if a kid doesn't click with their teacher one year. It's also not the end of the world if the kids are subjected to some strange times with a teacher who is having a bad time. There's always next year to get them caught up to where they need to be. If things really go south, the school can juggle it around so that the teacher does NIT work (ie PE, Science) and someone else steps in for class time. The kids aren't going to be endangered by someone who is not the "best most perfect teacher archetype" according to some test result, kids are all different and it's good for them to come across all different kinds of people as their mentors. There are systems in place to protect kids from actual dangerous people, and we all do "protective practices" training to know how to avoid inappropriate situations. The kids don't need some personality test to protect them from an "unsuitable" teacher. As far as I know the goose-stepper came into the school with a known diagnosis, was given a fair go to see how they would do, and at the end of the year the principal wrote an unfavourable report back to whoever gets the reports on new teachers who are in their probationary period. There was no pre-screening or discrimination based on that known diagnosis, the goose-stepper was judged on how well they taught and how well they responded to coaching; the kids that were in the goose-stepper's class were not significantly disadvantaged by having been taught by this person. I couldn't say whether the principal's report would affect goose-stepper's future employment prospects as a teacher, I don't know how it works beyond that point. But there is potential there for this person to get further training to address their deficits based on recommendations from the principal's report, whereas a personality test before the degree has even started might as well be a quiz from a cleo magazine for what use it is to anyone involved.
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Lid posted:The literacy and Numeracy requirements were added back last year, the new feature is the personality test which (again) seems to have built on the predication of an autistic university graduate being someone not a teacher (despite apparently being advised to do the course and then talked out of it). It's like the worms have already escaped the can. The thing which makes me uncomfortable is how vague it is. A well-handled HR department which uses organisation psychologists to assist in finding good person-job matches is where that kind of psych assessment is well-utilised. Conversely, when the job is extremely mentally taxing (i.e. military), then correctly utilised psych assessment again aids in ensuring people don't blow their brains out when they get access to a firearm/kill other people etc. The risk these dudes are taking is that they have an idea, being that they need to raise the standards of teachers in NSW. People have this idea that we can give someone this magic personality test and see if they'd be a great teachers - there's probably some personality traits (which change depending on how you actually define them) but theres other things which influence teacher effectiveness. If a person can't teach, then they shouldn't be graduating with a B.Ed. I was of the opinion that there were actual practicals that Education students did, and you had to be judged competent in order to actually "pass". I'd be interested to see how this interacts with anti-discrimination laws. The anecdotal evidence re: the guy who couldn't maintain eye contact etc. should really be taken witha grain of salt, because if there was a real demand for personality tests, then there would be a study or something to back up his assertion. Perhaps with time and training the person who was talked out of the degree would've made a fine teacher and have gone on to positively impact the lives of students. Proving that THIS PARTICULAR GUY would not have been able to teach will require a fair amount of evidence and research. Recoome fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Jan 22, 2016 14:26
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Stoca Zola posted:I work at a country school so we have a lot of young teachers coming through doing their compulsory country placements; fairly often these are first time teachers. There's coaching that goes on; obviously everyone has already done their student placements before they get to do teaching for real but as well as that the school leadership on-site work out ways that they can help support new teachers and ease them into things. A full year of teaching is a lot different to a temporary placement; it's like any job, some slowly come to grips with it, some find that they can do the work fine but they hate every moment of it. A personality test isn't going to be able help find out any of this, young teachers won't know how it will go themselves until they are out there doing it. There are many "right" ways to be a teacher. This is kind of what I was talking about. There's already systems in place, without the addition of personality testing, to guarantee the quality of teaching. As much as I absolutely psychological assessment and more jobs for psychologists, I question whether a personality test (and there is a lot to choose from) would prove to be an effective instrument in raising teaching standards. Interestingly, as far as I am aware, the military actually uses a combination of aptitude testing and psychopathology screening, so they gauge both your mental capacity and whether you have any existing mental issues.
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Jan 22, 2016 14:35
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Now this is a newscorp publication I can get behind.
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Stoca Zola posted:
Don't just cut and run! I want to know what happened, drat it! Goose-stepping can be funny in certain contexts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoSFQb5HVk
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Jan 22, 2016 19:50
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So the principal had words to goose-stepper to try and work out why the gently caress they thought goose stepping was a good idea, and the reasoning was that "it is the March of my peoples" only in this case, goose stepper insisted that goose stepping is something that Irish people do. I really don't know if the class was actually supposed to be representing traditional Irish marching styles in this parade, I got the impression that it was an on the spot idea not something that anyone had planned or rehearsed. Can anyone confirm or deny that there is any kind of traditional Celtic goose step?
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Jan 22, 2016 20:46
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Numerous large Australian coal mines have had their environmental regulations relaxed, in changes the federal government hopes will make life easier for the struggling industry. Environment law is not red tape, it is a safeguard for Australia's clean water, air and good health Australian Conservation Foundation spokesman Paul Sinclair Certain coal mines owned by Glencore, BHP Billiton and Whitehaven Coal have received favourable changes to their approval conditions within the past month, which in some cases reduce the environment minister's ability to demand changes and reduce public oversight of miners' compliance with approval conditions. The changes, many of which were initiated by the environment department rather than being requested by mining companies, come after a series of controversial coal approvals in recent years and after the federal government threatened to change environment laws in a bid to prevent green groups using the courts to challenge approvals. Approvals for two Glencore coal mines in the Hunter Valley, Bulga and Liddell, have had environmental conditions revoked within the past month which appear to remove the environment minister's ability to request changes to environmental management plans. The Caval Ridge coal mine that BHP operates had eight conditions on its approval altered last week, including one which means the company no longer has to wait for written approval from the minister if it wishes to change the way it manages offset areas or threatened species, so long as the companies believe their new plan will not have an increased impact. Some miners were also told they can report on compliance with their environmental conditions less often, with BHP now allowed to report on Caval Ridge once every two years rather than annually. The alterations also mean BHP no longer have to publish their compliance reports for Caval Ridge on their websites, and instead need only submit their documents to the environment department. BHP's Mt Arthur coal mine in the Hunter Valley and the Tarrawonga and Werris Creek coal mines run by Whitehaven have also had their environmental approvals altered. A spokeswoman for the Federal Environment Department said that some of the recent changes were initiated by the department, and were not specifically requested by the companies involved. "In line with the Australian government's broader regulation reform agenda, some recent variations have been initiated by the department as a means of reducing unnecessary regulatory burden. These variations are designed to reduce the administrative burden associated with approval conditions while still maintaining high standards of environmental protection," she said. The spokeswoman said that 34 project approvals had been changed over the past nine months, with the environmental conditions loosened in 21 of those cases. The spokeswoman said the changes were being made to a range of project approvals, not just coal mines. But coal mines appear to be very well represented, with Fairfax Media aware of at least seven coal approvals which have been changed in recent months. Fairfax Media is aware of just one copper mine (BHP's Olympic Dam) and one iron ore mine (run by BC Iron) which have had conditions changed. Australian Conservation Foundation spokesman Paul Sinclair said it was not appropriate for the government to be running from Australia's environmental law. "Environment law is not red tape, it is a safeguard for Australia's clean water, air and good health," Dr Sinclair said. "The Federal Government has a duty to ensure major resources companies comply with the law." When asked if BHP was happy with the changes, a company spokesperson said; "BHP Billiton welcomes actions by all levels of Government which are directed towards reducing the regulatory and compliance burdens faced by the sector." The Minerals Council said it did not believe the environment minister's powers had been reduced. "We believe that regulation and compliance can be more efficient and effective while continuing to uphold high environmental standards," said a spokesman for the council. "The MCA supports a risk-based approach to compliance, which account for a company's track record and the maturity of their environmental management systems among other things. This reduces unnecessary regulatory burden on the operator and allows regulators to target their compliance resources more effectively. "Where appropriate, project conditions should focus on the achievement of environmental outcomes and not unnecessary prescription on how those outcomes are achieved. This flexibility allows for adaptive, innovative approaches to be used."
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Jan 22, 2016 22:14
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Innovative approach is code for Maximizing Profits. In other words gently caress this planet.
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Jan 22, 2016 23:37
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Trapezium Dave posted:
"No Mr refugee, I expect you to die! " ---  Brisbane Goonmeet Sunday 24th 6pm. Dos Amigo's, Taringa. I'll make a call. Sorry for late notice.
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Jan 22, 2016 23:41
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If you guys despise Amethyst that much you should probably just put him on ignore instead of attempting to savagely burn him with insults like "use big words, much?  "
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BBJoey posted:If you guys despise Amethyst that much you should probably just put him on ignore instead of attempting to savagely burn him with insults like "use big words, much? Thanks for digging up a dead derail for this vital hot take.
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Jan 23, 2016 00:41
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So dead the last post two posts about it were 5 and 10 posts ago respectively
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Jan 23, 2016 00:43
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BBJoey posted:So dead the last post two posts about it were 5 and 10 posts ago respectively
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Cartoon posted:I think you're mistaken about that now. Please do not bring up my numerical illiteracy I am very sensitive about it.
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Kommando posted:"No Mr refugee, I expect you to die! " lol
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Jan 23, 2016 00:58
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I want Rod Harding to be mayor so bad just so News Corp can have a golden age of dick puns.
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Jan 23, 2016 01:02
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ALP status: getting worse lolquote:One of the Australian Labor party’s most outspoken opponents of offshore detention, mass surveillance and live animal exports will not contest the next federal election.
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Jan 23, 2016 01:46
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loving So someone on Facebook posted this:  Which led to this: 
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Jan 23, 2016 02:12
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http://www.mocavo.com/Historical-Records-of-Australia-Volume-9/122867/882 You can read the source of the quote there, be sure to check out page 139 too.
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"God Almighty... In all of my travels, I've only ever known a human to be an ocean of poo poo." - Howard Howe, Walrus.
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Jan 23, 2016 02:33
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Clive Palmer is a hero! You should be thanking him! Am I the only sane one here?!
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Jan 23, 2016 03:07
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Fuckin SJWs and their shutting down of harmless murder and terrorism.
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Stoca Zola posted:So the principal had words to goose-stepper to try and work out why the gently caress they thought goose stepping was a good idea, and the reasoning was that "it is the March of my peoples" only in this case, goose stepper insisted that goose stepping is something that Irish people do. I really don't know if the class was actually supposed to be representing traditional Irish marching styles in this parade, I got the impression that it was an on the spot idea not something that anyone had planned or rehearsed. Can anyone confirm or deny that there is any kind of traditional Celtic goose step? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mC0rWgUqTc
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Wait, do people actually use the term "SJW" unironically even when their real name is attached?
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Jan 23, 2016 03:32
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People who describe themselves as 'gamers' unironically.
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'Many years ago I was in TAFE doing a media/journalism thing for a bit and one of the other students during orientation being asked by the teacher why they wanted to be there answered the following "I have two passions to write about, video gaming and atheism." I gave up on that course that very moment.
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open24hours posted:http://www.mocavo.com/Historical-Records-of-Australia-Volume-9/122867/882 For speed, type in 168 and it's at the bottom of the page. Apparently they had the gall to refuse the "indulgences" of settler life. I thoroughly recommend the Dollop podcast covering this fun time, happy invasion day weekend.
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BBJoey posted:Wait, do people actually use the term "SJW" unironically even when their real name is attached? As a white male in a first world country, I have spent my entire life swimming in an ocean of privilege, therefore let me tell you why people who don't find racism and racist genocide funny are SJWs because It's loving horrifying how many people there are like that 
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SynthOrange posted:People who describe themselves as 'gamers' unironically. As someone with over 800 games in my collection I shudder at being associated with the current crowd of self-proclaimed "gamers". Nothing positive there.
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Gorilla Salad posted:As a white male in a first world country, I have spent my entire life swimming in an ocean of privilege, therefore let me tell you why people who don't find racism and racist genocide funny are SJWs because I'm one of them.
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