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Does it make psychology majors more or less annoying?
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 17:34 |
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Cosima posted:
That's operant conditioning, not Pavlovian conditioning. So they didn't even get the most basic thing correct in their bullshit story.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 17:35 |
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Eponine posted:Does it make psychology majors more or less annoying? Orders of magnitude more.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 17:39 |
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My Lovely Horse posted:I kind of want to try this. Is it terribly unethical? Does it become unethical if I don't actually work in a kindergarten? In case you weren't joking: Unwilling or unknowing participation in any scenario is to a varying degree unethical. Wanting to program other people without their consent is heinous, and shouldn't be a moral dilemma to anybody who's not psychopathic or a nazi scientist. That kindergarten story was 100% stdh though, fortunately.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 17:53 |
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Such Fun posted:In case you weren't joking: On the other hand, conditioning kids by offering them rewards for good behaviour and creating negative associations for bad behaviour is pretty standard practice. Messing with little kids' minds just to see what happens is unethical; potty training treats are not.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 18:20 |
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Cosima posted:
The way this is worded makes it sound like he's a 30 year old man in kindergarten.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 18:25 |
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Dogfish posted:On the other hand, conditioning kids by offering them rewards for good behaviour and creating negative associations for bad behaviour is pretty standard practice. Messing with little kids' minds just to see what happens is unethical; potty training treats are not. Dienes posted:That's operant conditioning, not Pavlovian conditioning. So they didn't even get the most basic thing correct in their bullshit story. Dogfish posted:My alma mater renamed the Psychology department to "Behavioural Neurosciences" because it sounds fancier and sciencier.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 18:43 |
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Stroop There It Is posted:Nope. Operant conditioning would be if the children learned that they themselves knocking on a table would get them snacks. This story is exactly analogous to Pavlov's dogs--they associate the externally generated auditory stimulus with a food reward. Still didn't happen, of course. No. Pavlovian conditioning is tied to reflexes, not rewards. "Looking at their cubby" is not a biological reflex. If the kids salivated at the knocking, it would be Pavlovian conditioning. The knock in this case would be an antecedent for the students to move to their cubbies to get snacks, the snacks being the reward. The knock would be a discriminative stimulus signalling snacks are available (or at the most a CMO-S); you are forgetting half the contingency. Sorry you failed your students. Doesn't matter, though. Even if he was trying to condition a reflex (and he isn't), its practically impossible under the conditions he describes. Non-salient stimuli, low number of trials, long temporal relations, weak stimulus-stimulus contingency. He basically read a snippet of an over-simplified account of Pavlov in a psych class and spun up this bullshit not knowing any better.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 19:12 |
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Dienes posted:No. Pavlovian conditioning is tied to reflexes, not rewards. "Looking at their cubby" is not a biological reflex. If the kids salivated at the knocking, it would be Pavlovian conditioning. The knock in this case would be an antecedent for the students to move to their cubbies to get snacks, the snacks being the reward. The knock would be a discriminative stimulus signalling snacks are available (or at the most a CMO-S); you are forgetting half the contingency. Sorry you failed your students. But then again, this poo poo doesn't come up in my field of study at all so I can't say I remember much.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 19:28 |
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quote:okay story time: i'm too loving lazy to reproduce all the bolding bullshit
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 19:42 |
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Stroop There It Is posted:In other news re: things no one cares about : uhhh these are terms two different fields, so unless they actually have a biological component to all of the psych stuff, it ain't behavioral neuro. Very few psychology departments don't.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 19:49 |
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Lol I chose to belive the prof told them that and this kid was dumb enough to believe it. I also want to live in a world where the government is afraid of uproar at its universities, oh noooo.
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# ? Jan 23, 2016 23:16 |
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Ok I could keep linking these but basically this whole "tumblr dump" folder is stdh. http://imgur.com/gallery/yBXs4
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 15:09 |
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I don't care if he's been on TV or not--people who say "I do improv " are universally awful So I know this aint the thread for it, but I see posts like this occasionally, and I have to ask, why are people so dismissive of improv? I've seen some lovely improv, sure, but I've also seen good stuff, like any form of entertainment. I never see people acting so universally negative about stand ups, or actors, or whatever, so its a little mystifying.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 15:33 |
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Verisimilidude posted:
The barcode tattoo one is ultra stdh. You scanned a tattoo of a bar code in a book store and it rang up as a bag of Cheetos? Why does your bookstore have the sku for Cheetos? Who makes up all these fake stories and for what reason?
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 15:44 |
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Kind of an awkward name, but there's an entire literary stereotype about this. Also, why can't people resist the urge to make their imaginary black characters talk like stereotypes?
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 16:16 |
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Probably because they've never met a black person
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 16:18 |
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Stroop There It Is posted:The way I saw it is that the purported CR is actually salivating and feeling hungry in expectation of the UCS. The CS is the knocking, the UCS is the food that they are allowed to have. Ah. This is my research area. IF he was talking about salivation (and since he never mentions it I don't think you can say he is), yes, the knock is a CS, the food is a US, and the salivation would be the CR/UR. However, hunger is a state, not a behavior or a reflex. At best, presenting the knock concurrently with hunger would make the knock a surrogate conditioned motivating operation, which is tied to operant behavior. He also mentions how the kids freak out when snack time is denied - that's an extinction burst, an operant phenomenon. You don't see it in Pavlovian responses. He just jumbled together a bunch of half-remembered tidbits for his STDH. Content: Why is it always Peter Pan that is so in tune with mental illness symptoms? Just once I want a variation with a sympathetic Gaston actor. Dienes has a new favorite as of 16:42 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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Dienes posted:Why is it always Peter Pan that is so in tune with mental illness symptoms? Just once I want a variation with a sympathetic Gaston actor. Nobody heeds trigger warnings like Gaston!
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 16:39 |
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Dienes posted:Ah. This is my research area. IF he was talking about salivation (and since he never mentions it I don't think you can say he is), yes, the knock is a CS, the food is a US, and the salivation would be the CR/UR. However, hunger is a state, not a behavior or a reflex. At best, presenting the knock concurrently with hunger would making the knock a surrogate conditioned motivating operation, which is tied to operant behavior. He also mentions how the kids freak out when snack time is denied - that's an extinction burst, an operant phenomenon. You don't see it in Pavlovian responses. He just jumbled together a bunch of half-remembered tidbits for his STDH. I've seen several iterations of this. Also: And then the baby looked at me
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 16:43 |
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This person's imagination sucks.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 16:52 |
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Indolent Bastard posted:The barcode tattoo one is ultra stdh. You scanned a tattoo of a bar code in a book store and it rang up as a bag of Cheetos? Why does your bookstore have the sku for Cheetos? I think the barcode tattoo ringing up as something funny has hit full on urban legend at this point. That dumb tattoo idea is so common that I knew a few people with bar code tattoos when I was younger and all of them had some variation of this story, plus I heard plenty of "friend of a friends" of the same story as well.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 17:15 |
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Also the mugger-murderer didn't applaud after. I am still not past Meme's being easily generated image macros flooding imgur and not stupid poo poo obsessively reposed from 4chan.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 17:35 |
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Cosima posted:This person's imagination sucks. Seriously, when has a mugger ever slit someone's wrists to kill them? You're getting shanked in the chest and/or throat if they want to kill you, not your wrists.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 17:38 |
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Nuh uh, the mugger wanted to see her true crimson soul run free instead of just a normal lifeless husk of meat
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 17:43 |
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cash crab posted:I've seen several iterations of this. Dear tumblr, Disney actors are not allowed to touch you, god bless
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 17:56 |
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Palisader posted:Dear tumblr, Well you see they are so important that the actors broke the rules just for them!
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 18:35 |
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cash crab posted:I've seen several iterations of this. Jesus Christ how do you think weed or vents work how much weed would you even need?
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 18:59 |
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Dienes posted:Well you see they are so important that the actors broke the rules just for them! Do you mean the rules of social etiquette where you don't bring up something as uncomfortable as self cutting and shine a spot light on it rather than just treat them like ever other guest ever and not point out the obvious physical abnormality?
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 19:00 |
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Murphy Brownback posted:Seriously, when has a mugger ever slit someone's wrists to kill them? You're getting shanked in the chest and/or throat if they want to kill you, not your wrists. In my cool stdh fantasy the mugger intent on murdering me is thwarted because I kicked his rear end, not because he was overwhelmed by my own patheticness.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 19:07 |
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My Lovely Horse posted:But probably never one with that level of saturation, goddamn. Enough to burn down the school.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 19:11 |
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My Lovely Horse posted:But probably never one with that level of saturation, goddamn. Literally 14 year olds writing this, so they definitely don't know poo poo. This is like when my little cousins would sneak Mike's Hard Lemonades, take a few sips, and then talk about how wasted they were.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 19:14 |
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Verisimilidude posted:
Ignoring the stdh, no one uses 'lil' anymore. The word is youngblood white writers
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 19:36 |
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cash crab posted:Kind of an awkward name, but there's an entire literary stereotype about this. Also, why can't people resist the urge to make their imaginary black characters talk like stereotypes? They want to say the n-word but don't want to look racist for doing so.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 19:40 |
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Cosima posted:In my cool stdh fantasy the mugger intent on murdering me is thwarted because I kicked his rear end, not because he was overwhelmed by my own patheticness. "Okay. Just so I understand it, in your wildest fantasy, you are in Hell, and you are co-running a bed-and-breakfast with the Devil." is all I could think of.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 19:54 |
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I'm pretty sure Disney mascots who break character are sacrificed to keep Walt's throne running.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 20:03 |
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My Lovely Horse posted:But probably never one with that level of saturation, goddamn. Dienes posted:Ah. This is my research area. IF he was talking about salivation (and since he never mentions it I don't think you can say he is), yes, the knock is a CS, the food is a US, and the salivation would be the CR/UR. However, hunger is a state, not a behavior or a reflex. At best, presenting the knock concurrently with hunger would make the knock a surrogate conditioned motivating operation, which is tied to operant behavior. He also mentions how the kids freak out when snack time is denied - that's an extinction burst, an operant phenomenon. You don't see it in Pavlovian responses. He just jumbled together a bunch of half-remembered tidbits for his STDH.
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 20:20 |
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If I had weed that strong I wouldn't be wasting it on some "rival school" that's for sure
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 20:22 |
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Postal Parcel posted:Ignoring the stdh, no one uses 'lil' anymore. The word is youngblood white writers What about Lil Kim?
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 21:32 |
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Aleph Null posted:What about Lil Kim? Lil wayne
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# ? Jan 24, 2016 21:33 |