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One great sham of the 2016 election is the media's desperate wishing for a circa-2008 horse-race on the Dem's side, even if they need to make a 74 year old white man into the image of a plucky young black senator it's just sad that some Sanderista's actually bought into it
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Apoplexy posted:I, too, do not like making a living wage even as a bottom-tier employee working 40+ hours a week. Real talk: If Bernie gets exactly what he wants the $15 minimum won't go into effect until at least 2020. By the time inflation takes its toll the FIGHT FOR 15 will be more like THE FIGHT FOR 12.75 (IN INFLATION ADJUST DOLLARS).
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SquadronROE posted:So what would a Trump presidency actually look like? From everything I read, this guy really isn't a great negotiator outside of real estate deals. Is he mentally prepared for the extreme stress and insanely complex relationships that the President has to maintain? In my stupid as poo poo opinion: He would be America's Caligula mixed with some Mussolini. It would be real bad. Meg From Family Guy posted:One great sham of the 2016 election is the media's desperate wishing for a circa-2008 horse-race on the Dem's side, even if they need to make a 74 year old white man into the image of a plucky young black senator Shut up, Meg.
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Jan 25, 2016 02:52
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Typical Pubbie posted:Bernie's plan to change the Fed creeps me out, and a $15 dollar national minimum wage is too high. Yeah, a livable wage is bad somehow.
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Jan 25, 2016 02:53
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Apoplexy posted:I, too, do not like making a living wage even as a bottom-tier employee working 40+ hours a week. I'm phone posting so could be wrong but I'm pretty sure following inflation it should be 12-13.
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SquadronROE posted:So what would a Trump presidency actually look like?
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Blowdryer posted:I'm phone posting so could be wrong but I'm pretty sure following inflation it should be 12-13. And yet that's not a living wage. Also if you take in account productivity it should be closer to 21~$/hr. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html
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Jan 25, 2016 02:53
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Joementum posted:I'm not going to toxx because I think that's dumb, but I've said many times (and still believe) that Trump won't win the nomination. Fair enough! 
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Jan 25, 2016 02:54
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Typical Pubbie posted:Because as much as possible human rights should not fall under petty party politics. It shouldn't but one party wants to defund the organization completely so going "well we can't support any party because of the integrity of our mission" is idiotic at best
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Jan 25, 2016 02:54
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Mr Hootington posted:Shut up, Meg.
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Jan 25, 2016 02:54
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Mr Hootington posted:In my stupid as poo poo opinion: He would be America's Caligula mixed with some Mussolini. It would be real bad.
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Jan 25, 2016 02:54
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'Value Meals' 'Lunch Specials' Are already $6-9 dollars. Inflation, 12-whatever the gently caress is better than 7.25. Most average retail places around here haven't offered me above 8.50 when job searching ~11 mo. ago
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Nonsense posted:'Value Meals' 'Lunch Specials' Are already $6-9 dollars. Inflation, 12-whatever the gently caress is better than 7.25. Most average retail places around here haven't offered me above 8.50 when job searching ~12 mo. ago I said I support Sanders, didn't I?
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lol one party literally wants to mark all Muslims with patches, force our 3rd biggest trade partner into debt bondage after calling them all rapists, thinks wages are too high when buying power for 99% of the country hasn't been worse since the robber baron age, and a whole laundry list of other things and people are talking like there's any subtly or nuance to how you can vote this time around. This is going to be the easiest election for me in probably my whole life. If you plan to abstain or protest vote then get real. Special snowflake issues and titchy little concerns are for off years and local/state stuff. I plan on doing my part by pulling the lever for anybody who comes up under Democrat on my ballot and then spending the rest of the day Blowdryer posted:I'm phone posting so could be wrong but I'm pretty sure following inflation it should be 12-13. It'd be well over $20/hr if wages kept up with productivity, which is the real issue. People are working harder and contributing more than ever and haven't seen anything more back from it for an entire generation. 8% growth since 1978, and the GOP thinks that's too much btw. The main thing stopping progress on minimum wage is the FYGM of people who feel like they're paragons of society because they browsed cat memes in their cubicle for 6 more months than somebody else. Even then it's got broad support.
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Jan 25, 2016 02:59
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Nonsense posted:'Value Meals' 'Lunch Specials' Are already $6-9 dollars. Inflation, 12-whatever the gently caress is better than 7.25. Most average retail places around here haven't offered me above 8.50 when job searching ~11 mo. ago Entry level retail is always going to pay the least, all thats required is a warm body. Even janitorial work usually pays better. The is a huge difference between new york, seattle, and the flyover country. 15 bucks would be fine in la and sink mainstreet idaho.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:00
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Something something right to bear arms something something. 
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Jan 25, 2016 03:00
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Typical Pubbie posted:Bernie's plan to change the Fed creeps me out, and a $15 dollar national minimum wage is too high. Seattle has yet to fall to ruins due to the $15 minimum wage and advent of noted socialist Kshama Sawant.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:02
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Okay the good guy was...hmmm
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Jan 25, 2016 03:02
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Epic High Five posted:
Agreed. Dems getting butthurt about their candidate not winning is horseshit, sorry. And insulting supporters of the other Dem candidate is also horseshit. We need these people to support your dude/lady so our country doesn't become a dystopian wasteland, sorry they don't have the exact same thoughts as you. Calling Hillary a "stealth Republican". Honestly. loving hell.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:02
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Nonsense posted:'Value Meals' 'Lunch Specials' Are already $6-9 dollars. Inflation, 12-whatever the gently caress is better than 7.25. Most average retail places around here haven't offered me above 8.50 when job searching ~11 mo. ago So let's start subsidizing people's McDonald's? You'll find that argument to be less than persuasive
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Jan 25, 2016 03:03
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These people were obviously mentally ill, have some respect and don't politicize this incident please.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:04
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bird cooch posted:Entry level retail is always going to pay the least, all thats required is a warm body. Even janitorial work usually pays better. The minimum wage should be $15/hr and rise an additional 2% above inflation every year for every state in the union.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:04
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Epic High Five posted:If Trump wins I'll probably be against a wall anyway but at least I'll be able to spend my last few minutes lording it over people who voted NeoGreen Reform Constitutionalists or whatever because of a single issue. Eh. I'll probably vote third party, but that's because the president isn't elected by the popular vote and there's no point in running up the scoreboard for the Dems in California. But if I was in Florida (or some third party candidate stands a chance of spoiling the election here) I'd vote for Hillary in a heartbeat.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:06
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Hypothetical: What if Sanders were to die in office suddenly? 74 is a pretty ripe age to start a 4-8 year stint as President.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:06
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If only they had a....hmm... It takes a good guy with a g.....hrmm....
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MechaFrogzilla posted:Agreed. Dems getting butthurt about their candidate not winning is horseshit, sorry. And insulting supporters of the other Dem candidate is also horseshit. We need these people to support your dude/lady so our country doesn't become a dystopian wasteland, sorry they don't have the exact same thoughts as you. I should add that during off years and state level stuff, it's extremely important to get loud and involved and to bring up all the little stuff. It's not a lovely impulse, just a bad thing to do only for presidential cycles. Your Dunkle Sans posted:Hypothetical: What if Sanders were to die in office suddenly? 74 is a pretty ripe age to start a 4-8 year stint as President. The VP would take over ComradeCosmobot posted:Eh. I'll probably vote third party, but that's because the president isn't elected by the popular vote and there's no point in running up the scoreboard for the Dems in California. But if I was in Florida (or some third party candidate stands a chance of spoiling the election here) I'd vote for Hillary in a heartbeat. Opposite problem here, in Indiana  I still plan on beating the drum and turning out though. We went blue for Obama (which caused a lot of local meltdowns that I'd like to see again) so maybe there's hope for it to happen ag-:sobs:Of course even for people in my shoes, if you're in a deep red hopeless state, voting whatever for the prez and straight D downticket is always good. Gerrymandering is a thing but it's very rarely something that is immune to a shift of 1-2%
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Hypothetical: What if Sanders were to die in office suddenly? 74 is a pretty ripe age to start a 4-8 year stint as President. This might be totally insane (IANAL, YMMV, WWJD), but I think that the Vice President would become the president
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Jan 25, 2016 03:09
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Teflon Don posted:The minimum wage should be $15/hr and rise an additional 2% above inflation every year for every state in the union. Because reasons? Is 15 the magical number that keeps the beast at bay?
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Jan 25, 2016 03:10
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Seattle has yet to fall to ruins due to the $15 minimum wage and advent of noted socialist Kshama Sawant. My conservative friend linked me to something that said low wage workers began requesting less hours in light of the new wage. its probably complete bullshit like most of the things he links me but strangely enough the extrapolation seemed to be based on food stamp enrollment being barely effected since the new minimum went into effect. has anyone else in this thread heard about this?
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bird cooch posted:Because reasons? Is 15 the magical number that keeps the beast at bay? It's a round number closest to what it should be if it had been adjusted for inflation. It's also the minimum for a living wage in most of the country.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:12
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afeelgoodpoop posted:My conservative friend linked me to something that said low wage workers began requesting less hours in light of the new wage. If it's happening it's the liberal version of GOP voters who refuse raises because they think they'll make less money because tax brackets People are dumb and crazy about money, but I kind of understand both sides. When all you've known is scraping by and you'd be dead without assistance, it's REALLY TOUGH to be convinced to give that up, even if the math says you're better off
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:This might be totally insane (IANAL, YMMV, WWJD), but I think that the Vice President would become the president Uh, yes. This was implied. Who would be the Veep pick under Sanders and would they be more or less competent in dealing with Congress? Would anyone besides Sanders continue his agenda of pushing for free college, universal healthcare, minimum wage hike, etc?
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Jan 25, 2016 03:12
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:They're not wrong. Yes, they are. Bernie's been loving IGNORED ACTIVELY by the media. How is it in any way a comparison to Obama, then?
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Jan 25, 2016 03:14
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afeelgoodpoop posted:My conservative friend linked me to something that said low wage workers began requesting less hours in light of the new wage. It might be true if he's talking about people working 60 hours a week dropping to 50 and keeping the same livelihood with more free time. That was sort of the point of raising the wage. People can actually have a semblance of a real life instead of working 2-3 jobs to pay rent.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:It might be true if he's talking about people working 60 hours a week dropping to 50 and keeping the same livelihood with more free time. That was sort of the point of raising the wage. People can actually have a semblance of a real life instead of working 2-3 jobs to pay rent. this is probably what happened because it makes sense
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Jan 25, 2016 03:16
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afeelgoodpoop posted:My conservative friend linked me to something that said low wage workers began requesting less hours in light of the new wage. Even if this conservative's nightmare came true, it'd still be a resounding success. Being able to need less hours to work and otherwise focus on things like raising a family is a boon. But... Brr, service workers not needing to work two or three jobs just to make ends meet and not receiving due divine punishment for the crime of being a dirty poor. The horror!
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Jan 25, 2016 03:18
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Uh, yes. This was implied. I'm pretty safe in assuming this. Whoever it is will be vetted with this very question, and if they ever get to the position to assume the presidency it means they will have a mandate from the people to follow through. It's not an absolute certainty of course, but it'd be loving bedlam if they swerved hard right after somebody like Sanders getting elected
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Jan 25, 2016 03:19
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Apoplexy posted:Yes, they are. Bernie's been loving IGNORED ACTIVELY by the media. How is it in any way a comparison to Obama, then? Honestly. I'm an undecided voter. So tell me: what does this mean? I've seen him all over WaPo/NYT/CNN. I've seen him on the internet far more extensively than Hillary. What do you mean "the media"? Is there a platform for Bernie besides "the MSM is ignoring us"? Because I've seen this attitude all over, I frankly don't believe it's true, and I think it's off-putting. Do you really think there's some kind of conspiracy against your candidate? Is it conceivable that your candidate, who is not a Democrat, may be running at something of a disadvantage in the Democratic presidential primary?
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Apoplexy posted:Yes, they are. Bernie's been loving IGNORED ACTIVELY by the media. How is it in any way a comparison to Obama, then? Everyone's been actively ignored by the media except Trump
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Apoplexy posted:Yes, they are. Bernie's been loving IGNORED ACTIVELY by the media. How is it in any way a comparison to Obama, then? You must not have been following this thread or the news recently, then. There's been an uptick in coverage of Sanders closer to the Iowa primary from the likes of NPR. They smell a horse race (or want one since it's now likelier than a few months ago).
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