|
b0red posted:idk why you guys hate debian ahmeni posted:*comments out crypto code due to compiler warnings only he will ever see* The maintainers are loving retarded and add ~improvements~ to lots of common packages which break them
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2016 21:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 03:45 |
|
|
use arch i mean, if you want to use a distro put together by amateurs then use the one that basically just gives you upstream and isn't afraid to mark basically every bug as UPSTREAM WONTFIX instead of some third-derivative bullshit like Mint. as a bonus you get to use software that's actually fairly up-to-date. i like arch a lot
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2016 21:48
|
|
|
b0red posted:ive been using debian for the last 1 year as my main desktop and have had no problems. idk why you guys hate debian and i still can't tell if the gnome3 posts are real. i refuse to believe gnome3 is good icebian also no, gnome 3 is too much like a touch ui to ever be good, death to all touch uis with giant panels on the desktop
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 00:21
|
|
I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
|
you use gnome 3 by mashing the windows key and zipping around with the expose clone. who cares if they have Big Icons in the "app drawer" nobody on earth will ever use.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 00:24
|
|
|
prefect posted:isn't salt a rewrite of chef in python? that seems interesting salt is a pretty good remote command execution framework bolted to the side of pretty bad configuration management salt is really handy for orchestrating chef/puppet runs if you insist on using cfg mgmt to do deployment
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 00:54
|
|
|
Mr Dog posted:use arch lol
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 00:54
|
|
|
Celexi posted:i think that happens on all de's, its not actually cde but xorg default as the window manager shuts down, doesn't happen on wayland xorg doesn't have any "defaults" because there are no default widgets X11 primitives are poo poo like lines and rectangles and pieces of letters (yes not even complete letters, nobody relies on server-side text anymore)
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 00:56
|
|
|
jre posted:config management - not just for servers declarative configuration management is what windows gpo was always meant to be (even microsoft agrees with me)
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 00:57
|
|
|
nbsd is the guy who said Always Use Configuration Management On All Servers (even if you only have one) which I'm rapidly coming around to, I know he doesn't like Ansible. I don't like the ones with agents though. Ansible is lightweight and pretty nice. As a bonus, it's written in a Good Language.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 01:10
|
|
|
Mr Dog posted:nbsd is the guy who said Always Use Configuration Management On All Servers (even if you only have one) which I'm rapidly coming around to, I know he doesn't like Ansible. bad configuration management is still much better than no configuration management. ansible is tragically flawed but i'd much rather walk into a shop using ansible than a shop filled with shell scripts and computer touchers Mr Dog posted:I don't like the ones with agents though. Ansible is lightweight and pretty nice. As a bonus, it's written in a Good Language. agentless is a really dumb goal aesthetically appealing but still dumb as gently caress tef posted:simple — It solves my use case.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 01:17
|
|
|
ansible is great for deploying internal / non critical things where you just want some minimum effort towards documentation for whatever service you're trying to stand up puppet is for more serious endeavors but the syntax is horrifying and oh my god our puppet modules are a rat nest spaghetti horror that i refuse to touch
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 01:26
|
|
|
MALE SHOEGAZE posted:our puppet modules are a rat nest spaghetti horror that i refuse to touch this is every puppet and chef installation ever hth
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 01:29
|
|
|
pram posted:this is every puppet and chef installation ever hth yeah i just assumed this was the case.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 01:30
|
|
|
especially older installations. those are the worst. with half the infra defined as nodes, the other half in hiera. multiple modules that do the same thing with a special snowflake edge case. no one who understands how it all works, but there are dozens of retarded gatekeepers, repo approvers, managers, qa. and of course everything is all tied together. so a mundane task like adding an A record to a zone file becomes a kafkaesque nightmare
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 01:35
|
|
|
pram posted:especially older installations. those are the worst. with half the infra defined as nodes, the other half in hiera. multiple modules that do the same thing with a special snowflake edge case. no one who understands how it all works, but there are dozens of retarded gatekeepers, repo approvers, managers, qa. and of course everything is all tied together. so a mundane task like adding an A record to a zone file becomes a kafkaesque nightmare oh hey, this sounds familiar
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 01:36
|
|
|
I'm trying to not get into horrible habits as a result of most of my working life being spent as a lone developer ok  Like I need to change that asap before I become completely unemployable
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:00
|
|
|
Mr Dog posted:I'm trying to not get into horrible habits as a result of most of my working life being spent as a lone developer ok ansible is a cool buzzword to have on your resume but you probably don't want to work with people so green they think ansible is a good idea can you imagine being mentored by pram
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:05
|
|
|
Mr Dog posted:I'm trying to not get into horrible habits as a result of most of my working life being spent as a lone developer ok Mr Dog posted:use arch
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:11
|
|
|
"if you want to use a distro put together by amateurs" which is what Debian is on a prod server I'd use CentOS of course i'm not a complete moron
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:17
|
|
|
Celexi posted:i think that happens on all de's, its not actually cde but xorg default as the window manager shuts down, doesn't happen on wayland so the reason this actually happens is because we invented a cross-toolkit protocol to broadcast font settings and such but nobody but gnome actually decided to use it http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html when gnome shuts down it shuts down the settings server which causes all gtk+ apps to stop applying the custom theme and such
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:19
|
|
|
so you wrote a cross-platform theme communication engine, but the only thing it accomplishes is breaking the themes on your own product during shutdown shut it all down, this is peak linux desktop
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:22
|
|
|
Barnyard Protein posted:i have been reading that unix haters book, i feel like a north korean finding out that ball point pens aren't an extravagance. you should try out that TI Explorer emulator like I sent OSI Bean Dip for yosmas and see just how different the rest of the world was from the UNIX world of the day also it has USER AIDS
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:30
|
|
|
so nBSD, what configuration management are you using on Solaris 8?
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:33
|
|
|
eschaton posted:so nBSD, what configuration management are you using on Solaris 8? chef should work fine, despite being unsupported however i am presently experiencing hw issues so i have not tried it
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 02:46
|
|
|
Notorious b.s.d. posted:so you wrote a cross-platform theme communication engine, but the only thing it accomplishes is breaking the themes on your own product during shutdown We removed it recently.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 03:50
|
|
|
Suspicious Dish posted:We removed it recently. after all, the gnome developers know best what all the apps should look and feel like they should look and feel like hybrid desktop-tablet apps, right?
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 06:34
|
|
|
this os is a piece of poo poo
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 06:35
|
|
|
CPColin posted:I like when I shut down Mint
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 07:41
|
|
|
this but all linux
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 17:00
|
|
|
i'm trying gnom3 on fedora and it's kinda ok but what the gently caress are they thinking with those inch-high title bars on all the windows that you can only shrink by dropping a magic css file in a hidden directory
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2016 23:11
|
|
|
Soricidus posted:i'm trying gnom3 on fedora and it's kinda ok but what the gently caress are they thinking with those inch-high title bars on all the windows that you can only shrink by dropping a magic css file in a hidden directory i really would love to know why they dont go away when window is maximized
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 00:55
|
|
|
Celexi posted:i really would love to know why they dont go away when window is maximized if you're using gnome on the desktop, as opposed to on a tablet where nobody has ever used gnome nor ever will, then you shouldn't be maximising windows often anyway well, except i guess for ides and similar things that basically have internal window managers it just seems weird that the entire history of applicaitons recently has basically been "how can we increase vertical space, how can we get rid of menu bars and push tabs into the title bar" and then along comes gnome and is all "nope you're going to have a blank and useless inch of nothingness at the top of every window forever and you're going to like it dammit"
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 01:11
|
|
|
Soricidus posted:i'm trying gnom3 on fedora and it's kinda ok but what the gently caress are they thinking with those inch-high title bars on all the windows that you can only shrink by dropping a magic css file in a hidden directory i assure you no thinking was involved
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 01:19
|
|
|
Soricidus posted:if you're using gnome on the desktop, as opposed to on a tablet where nobody has ever used gnome nor ever will, then you shouldn't be maximising windows often anyway
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 01:26
|
|
|
is linux on the desktop yet
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 01:27
|
|
|
Soricidus posted:i'm trying gnom3 on fedora and it's kinda ok but what the gently caress are they thinking with those inch-high title bars on all the windows that you can only shrink by dropping a magic css file in a hidden directory Soricidus posted:if you're using gnome on the desktop, as opposed to on a tablet where nobody has ever used gnome nor ever will, then you shouldn't be maximising windows often anyway lol
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 01:29
|
|
|
gnome devs thinking it will ever be on a tablet is the most hilarious thing
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 01:31
|
|
|
yeah, all that wasted space is to match the visual style of the actual gnome 3 applications that nobody uses because they're uniformly garbage; they draw the window controls client side and put part of their UI in there it satisfies their three design goals of eliminating any predictably inert area of the UI that can be safely clicked on to move the window around, making the title impossible to find in a sea of visual noise while truncating it as much as possible and turning the window into an immovable obstacle whenever the application's UI hangs because they're garbage
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 03:58
|
|
|
Mr Dog posted:"if you want to use a distro put together by amateurs" whats the big advantage of CentOS vs something like debian unstable? i get the impression it's sorta fedora: server edition but i have never run it pram posted:gnome devs thinking it will ever be on a tablet is the most hilarious thing i had it on a laptop with a touch screen and half the time it would boot up with the trackpad disabled so you'd have to slide your fingers around on it during boot to let it know you were actually planning on using the trackpad. also on screen keyboards popping up for no reason but at least i can finally swipe to unlock Marzzle fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jan 27, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 04:10
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 03:45 |
|
|
its rhel
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2016 04:15
|
|